Machines, Music, and the Mind of Man

MrPuck

Ok hip Cats and Cool Kittens, wrap the grey matter around this.

Music, Art, Religion. To a bluepill they just are what they are, but from a redpill standpoint it raises a few questions.

Are the higher aspects and works of great "artists" and "musicians" really the creation of said person, or are they simple placed within the programable mind?

Did man create the Arts, or did the Machines just recycle and recreate for us to fill in for a lack of individuality?

It seems it would be illogical for the Machines to allow humans to be so creative, at least as far as the concept of choice goes, So did we make the music, or did Machines?

Who made Who -ACDC

RainKingX

MrPuck wrote:

Ok hip Cats and Cool Kittens, wrap the grey matter around this.
Music, Art, Religion. To a bluepill they just are what they are, but from a redpill standpoint it raises a few questions.
Are the higher aspects and works of great "artists" and "musicians" really the creation of said person, or are they simple placed within the programable mind?
Did man create the Arts, or did the Machines just recycle and recreate for us to fill in for a lack of individuality?
It seems it would be illogical for the Machines to allow humans to be so creative, at least as far as the concept of choice goes, So did we make the music, or did Machines?

Who made Who -ACDC

With music, there are only people. Sometimes, those people look like programs.

**RemagDiv**

Good question, but I feel the arts are placed by the Machines, or most are even done by programs and exiles. We have seen that many programs are sculpters, artists, librarians, even gangsters (:XD SMILEY

. For Bluepills, it's just another form of control to keep humans jacked in.

aiolos

That is a good question, as no one really knows whether or not human history is actual or if it's just a substitute instituted by the Machines. Likewise, if you've noticed in the Matrix games and comics, everytime someone is on the verge of coming across an extraordinary discovery or everytime someone is on the verge of creating something wonderful, men in black or "demons" come along to warn them or just snatch them up.

So what I think it is is just information control. Humans still have the capacity to think for themselves, to create, otherwise there'd be no Zion. It's the other 99% still plugged into the Matrix who are kept firmly pressed under the thumb of the Machines, making sure that nothing inspires them to rebel. Think of the movie Equilibrium, where authorities banned all literature, music, etc...

So to answer your question, I'd say the Machines are the FCC Gone Wild in the Matrix, while outside it's still the freed humans who come up with new stuff.

**Tytanya_MxO**

My understanding/beleif has always been that the Matrix was created to the world of the 1990's and that history prior to that time was probably genuine human history perhaps with a machine style twist. Again the one aspect of machine culture that seems relatively consistent is a very different concept of imagination to the extent we probably regard them as having none while they regard ours as incomprehensible...art and music therefore wouldnt really be compatible...tho Modern Art ('unmade bed' for instance) may finally find an explanation!!

aiolos

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

...tho Modern Art ('unmade bed' for instance) may finally find an explanation!!

lol

weenus

This is something I've always wondered myself.

The Matrix is explained in the first movie as being a complete representation of the world, just before the break through of the AI that went on to become the machines. From the looks of the world in the first one, you can say its roughly around the turn of the century, 99/2000. The next two movies tend to take away from that explaination, as does the expanded universe which names the city 'the MegaCity', and tends to lend to the idea that like any computer program, it is a map. There is a limited area of travel, it is not the entire globe. It also leads me to believe that there is something in most human beings that stops them from questioning living and working in a region called 'the MegaCity'.

I believe that most of the major music inside of the Matrix was probably created in the real, and uploaded and emulated by the machines in the Matrix. You can roughly figure that if the Man/Machine war took place around the mid 2000's. Hovercrafts mostly have plaques on them that state they were created around 2070 usually, so they must have been created before or during the war.

Also, with the entire '3 matrixs, 3 zions' thing, and with many members of the zion city being pretty elderly, you really have to wonder, was any music that was created in the previous two matrix's lost along with the matrix? How about zion? Also, do the freed minds realize that they have lost two life times? Are they thinking that they are nearly 150 years behind the actual date?

WGAnubis1

I think a major problem that seems to pop up among MXO redpills is that they take the the "free your mind" thing way to serously or litterally to the point that it can be argued that that philophoy (sp) is a system of control. I think it would be impossible for a machine to create any form of Art. Theres just something about art, not the modern day crap (and serously, anyone who calls throwing paint on a canves or something a 2 year old can do art needs to be checked out) that to me capture the human imagination and I believe that machines lack imagination. Up to this point the machine has always been based off our histories, our lores, our myths. Nothing about the matrix is truely orginal.

Music on the other hand, well I believe its been determined that Music can influence how a person acts. Theres also a mathmatical quality to it. I wouldnt be surprised if a machien could use Music as a system of control, though it may have to be a long term exposer and could only really influence moods, not really more immidiate things.