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[8.2.1] It should help us plan our strike on the lines - Recursion - 8/23/07
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Free Mind

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Illyria22 wrote:
TheMagus wrote:
Presumably then I don't need to convince you because you are already convinced then? Seeing as you have conviction in my argument, perhaps you would act as an intermediary for us to the machines? You know, you could try to convince Gray/Pace/The Architect/Whoever that New Zion isn't a threat to the machine race?

If I believed that, I would have already tried.  But I don't.  My personal belief is that there are going to be acts of sabotage against the Machines and the Matrix coming from New Zion.

When I said you didn't need to convince me, it was because I have no power over what the Machines may try to do to you.  And I said a while ago that I'm not going to go begging and pleading to the Machines not to destroy your cities.  Zion did something they knew would cause this reaction in the Machines, now Zion has to take responsibility for what it did.  Nobody is going to clean up their mess for them. 

You've made your bed, now lie in it.

 

 

Illyria

Well then, it looks like any attempt to give you perspective for a different argument is pointless.

In the end, it all comes down to belief. I believe, with every fibre of my being that we will survive this, that we will win this war. I believe it with a strength that I wouldn't expect a machine or one of their followers to understand. So instead, all you need to know is this:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.




Ascendent Logic

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Illyria22 wrote:

When I said you didn't need to convince me, it was because I have no power over what the Machines may try to do to you.  And I said a while ago that I'm not going to go begging and pleading to the Machines not to destroy your cities.  Zion did something they knew would cause this reaction in the Machines, now Zion has to take responsibility for what it did.  Nobody is going to clean up their mess for them. 


Everything in the past, every action from both sides have pointed to exactly this situation. One of the fundaments of New Zion are the Machines and their systematic Control-fanatism.

Illyria, I fear it is the Machines mess the same as it is ours. If you can't see that, ah well, not that discussion again.

Obey your orders and belief what you are told by your superiors. Be a good *edit: Machinist is the contemporary word*.

-Dedatorus

EDIT: Edited for inappropriate use of a WW II word.

Message edited by GoDGiVeR on 09/17/2007 07:31:15.

 
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