Do we really want Neo alive?

Shadow Griever

Actually, many call the version we play in "Ver 4.0" because the cycle of the anomaly is over, and those that choose to be free may do so.

But that's an entirely different debate

**Cervacius**

I think you're looking at this the other way around. Neo came about because something bad was happening, not the other way around. If he comes back he won't bring destruction, he'll be here because destruction has already come.

Neo came after the Matrix was created, the Matrix didn't come after. Catch my drift?

He does what he does because he has something to do it against. (It's late and I can't seem to get this point across.)

For example, when the machines were destroying Zion, he came and saved the day because there was a purpose for him to save the day. He stopped the war because we were about to be destroyed by something that already existed.

So, when/if he comes back, it will be against something that already exists so that he will have a purpose. He won't bring trouble, trouble will already be here.

Shadow Griever

It's not a matter of thinking backwards, it's interchangable really. Your point does work, but I also believe that if Neo comes back, that means by default that means something of equal magnitude will manifest itself. It just a matter of who shows up first. The point of my original post is, do we really want him back if we know something else is going to have to come to balance out the equation?

Faraque

Point 1. Neo's power is not *just* the code that made up his RSI. It was about HIM. His body, his mind, his soul. He is a genetic mutation of humanity that is able to manipulate with greater ease the universe of the Matrix. That is why he is the One. This mutation is most likely the simple awakening of dormant portions of the brain after being released from the Matrix Proper.

Point 2. Proof of Neo's ability being personal, not code. HE GOD-MODE'D MACHINES IN THE REAL. End of story.

Point 3. If Neo were to return, you'd better believe he'd be ashamed of how we have degenerated from his sacrifice till now. Infighting, bickering, factionalization, intolerance, violence. We as a whole don't deserve what he gave us.

EPN - Give it up, go worship his RSI in that club, and hope he comes back to show you the way.
Morpheus - Go home, your time is over. We don't need you anymore. You did what you were supposed to.
Cypherites - You want to jack back in? Cool. Get on with it. Quit trying to *spread your word* when spreading the word is not what you really want. Down the blue pill, go back to sleep, and forget about us.
Mervs - Ignorant power mongering idiots. You weren't freed so that you could go play with exiled programs, you were freed to help rebuild humanity. You choose to ignore this? I hope you die.
Machinists - Some of you have it right. Keep the system stable because that's what's expected of you. Play with your world and the new things you can do in it. Help keep the destructive nature of humanity from breaking the machines world. Some of you though... You are not the machine. You do not make the rules, nor are you truly the enforcer of them. Go rebuild humanity like you're supposed to, and quit acting like a 30-year beat cop.

There's not one group out there that has it right. And Neo would say to you all... "This is what I fought for?"

**zeroone506**

Faraque wrote:

Point 2. Proof of Neo's ability being personal, not code. HE GOD-MODE'D MACHINES IN THE REAL. End of story.

Might aswell be his technological aspect transmitting stuff to the source that controls the Machines and the other way round.

**Trax**

Lets tune into realistic FM here, Neo can't come back. It would kill MxO stone dead.

Think about it, if we have Rarebit flying around as the fully powered Neo we knew from the films, where is the fun in MxO anymore? Neo spotting? "He's over there! Quick if we HJ fast enough we can catch him!". It would be the live event equivalent of Catch the Pidgeon.

Remember back at EOB? RFZ reported that Neo and Smith had returned, that Smith was sat atop the government building as a lvl 500, and killing whoever was stupid enough to find him, and Neo was flying under bridges and buildings in DT. Now I know about 80% of the Beta population took that as a real claim and went looking for Neo. I know I, and my faction did. We hunted for hours, hearing reports of Smith destroying entire teams of players, I remember seeing sightings all over the city, international, DT, I saw things out of the corner of my eye, which I took to be Neo.

It still yet has not been confirmed if S and N came back for EOB. But does it even matter if they weren't there? The idea that they were around is what made it so exciting. At this point, the best way for Neo and Smith to be re-introduced into MxO, is as an idea. A myth, a legend, an impossible but possible result.

For example the Smith code, dormant in Agent Grey, but you always have that feeling if something dangerous happened to Agent Gray, there could be the possibility of it re-awakening the smith code inside of him. Or the echo of neo, the static half completed code body of Neo, sat in perpetual motion. But the idea that one day it could be completed, and he could return.

The idea of Neo and Smith, will be more effective than the two of them could ever be, as actual tangible MxO characters.

PascaI

I don't think Neo will come back. If he does it might only be in flash backs, dreams, visions - That sort of thing.
It wouldn't be good for the game if he came back.

**ShadowReapr**

I have to agree with Trax, to a degree that I was going to say the same thing, there and there abouts. Except end of beta, for I wasn't there. I just listened on RFZ.

So now I'll just hum. Hmm-hmm-hm-h-hmmmm.

Shadow Griever

The topic of this discussion is not about the ingame return of Neo. I'll concede outright that the logistics of bringing him back ingame would be a detriment unless they can find a way around it.

But the topic of the discussion is seen as an "In Universe" discussion.