Due to Real Life(tm), I haven't been around as much as I'd Like but there is a new blog entry at the usual place.
RedPillRunner
Just incedently, does anyone else run a blog, so I can add links?
Cheers
Pretty sure that if Neo didn't go along with the Machines plan the Machines would simply destroy Zion, they wouldn't kill all the bluepills leaving themselves minimal power.
Still, nice blog!
Vinia wrote:
Pretty sure that if Neo didn't go along with the Machines plan the Machines would simply destroy Zion, they wouldn't kill all the bluepills leaving themselves minimal power.Still, nice blog!
I thought that the Architect said that the resulting feedback would kill all the blue pills in their pods. Neo replied by saying that that would also destroy the machines. The Archtiect countered this by saying that, there are some leves of extistance that they can accept (!).
I wonder what that level would be?
That's just another proof that machines using bluepills as an energy source is a lie. Zion was (and still is imo) misinformed.
Phoenix_Dfire wrote:
I thought that the Architect said that the resulting feedback would kill all the blue pills in their pods. Neo replied by saying that that would also destroy the machines. The Archtiect countered this by saying that, there are some leves of extistance that they can accept (!).I wonder what that level would be?
Actually you are right he did say that, although it would be a system crash and not a Machine initiated backlash which is what I thought you meant, my fault for misinterpreting your post there. But yes they did use the point of the bluepill population dying as an incentive. I think the reason why the system didn't crash was due to Smith which caused another problem entirely.
I would imagine that the level of survival mentioned would be something along the lines of using stored energy to keep the most important parts of their society alive. This could mean that they sacrifice their defences and perhaps the majority of their 'civilian' population. Without a better understanding of Machine society I can't really suggest anything else.
I don't think that bluepills aren't being used as a powersource, I don't think it's a lie, I think that they are used for power but there is definitely something more to it then just that.
I always figured that the Machines podded up the humans to protect them, mostly from themselves. They even tried to make a perfect world for them on the first version of the Matrix.
They go out of their way to protect those still plugged in, but those unplugged are immediately considered threats.
QuiDormit wrote:
I always figured that the Machines podded up the humans to protect them, mostly from themselves. They even tried to make a perfect world for them on the first version of the Matrix.They go out of their way to protect those still plugged in, but those unplugged are immediately considered threats.
Mm. The Machines might be especially... messy in defending themselves, but to the survivors of the last war before the rise of the Matrix, they ultimately were merciful, in a way that is alien to human understanding.
MatrixRefugee wrote:
The obvious rebuttle to that is that it's easy to be merciful if the thing, or species in this case, is what keeps you alive.
This argument has it's merits if the Machines do, or at least did early on, require Humans for power. It falls flat on it's face though if the Machines don't rely on the power from the pods exclusively, because that would tend to show more of a will to protect the Human species or at the very least control them so that they aren't once more a threat to the Machines, but more likely, so they don't threaten their own existance.
MatrixRefugee wrote:Mm. The Machines might be especially... messy in defending themselves, but to the survivors of the last war before the rise of the Matrix, they ultimately were merciful, in a way that is alien to human understanding.The obvious rebuttle to that is that it's easy to be merciful if the thing, or species in this case, is what keeps you alive.This argument has it's merits if the Machines do, or at least did early on, require Humans for power. It falls flat on it's face though if the Machines don't rely on the power from the pods exclusively, because that would tend to show more of a will to protect the Human species or at the very least control them so that they aren't once more a threat to the Machines, but more likely, so they don't threaten their own existance.
The Merv Chapter 8 (I think) missions, featuring the investigation into the number of coppertops in the power plants, etc. has, to some extent, undercut some of the credibility of this argument.
This is better then then running the mission by myself and much more fun to read Phoenix!
