neo stopping the sentinels in the "real" world...

Pirate_Fetus

i read somewhere that it's possible that Zion and the "real" world is just another Matrix in a Matrix etc.. but here's what I think:

When Neo and Smith merged in matrix 1, part of Neo was left off on Smith as we find out in Reloaded. I think if that could happen, then to complete the equation, part of Smith was left off on Neo. That's why he could "feel" the machines, and seem to be hearing them (like when he knew the Sentinals were about to shoot a bomb at them, when the rest of the crew didn't know why they were stopping just out of EMP Range).

That's also how Neo jacked in without being plugged in. He became part machine, just as Smith became part human..

does that make sense?

**MetaLogic**

I think The Oracle explained that Neo has been closed to The Source, and created a link to The Source. So he could pull his power from The Source into the real and use his powers in the real.

Pirate_Fetus

oh ok cool

**GoDGiVeR**

I rather liked zeroone506's idea of cyborgs:

Basically, my "theory" is completely different. The Real world is real, but the podborn humans are actually cyborgs. Lots of technical devices planted into their body, and maybe nanobots (like the Borg, in a sense). This could be an unknown way for Neo to maintain a connection to the source or the Machines. BMx because nothing like that was ever really hinted in the movies and sounds far-fetched here, but nanobots etc. are real-life theories about the future of virtual reality and similiar directions, and therefore not so dumb.

Others think it's actually the spiritual level of the Machines that Neo enters. This is a way to much out of genre, but sounds considerable. If you really imagine the podborn as cyborgs Zion's technicians weren't able to register that (Zion isn't the Starfleet after all lol), everything just explains itself without any need for any "Matrix in the Matrix" theories.

WGAnubis1

A theory of mine has been that Neo is infact part machine. Not like an arm or leg but that he has some sort of transmitting hardware in his body that allows him to come into direct contact with the machines and infact I believe all Ones if not all humans have this hardware built into them but Neo was the only one to in some way become aware of it and used it against the machines. Why would the machines have gone threw all that? It is my belief that the Architect was being truthful that Neo carried the reset code in his mind for the matrix and it is only logical that the machines would incorperate a sort of failsafe system to ensure that no matter what happened to the One's body in the real and other wise they would still get the reset code needed for the matrix. This is further backed by the fact that the matrix did infact reset at the end of the third movie even though Neo did not enter the source.

Amad3us

I think the theory of Neo being part machine, while difficult to explain in black and white, could be true. One quote makes it possible, for me anyway. "I can feel them." Sure, it makes sense in context when discussing the sentinels, but when he said it regarding the fields, it takes a new meaning. I think that he meant he could feel the people, every one of them. So yes, in a sense, like the Borg.

Vedren · 03/01/2007 08:30:23

I think that he actually started to believe in himself so much, that like in the matrix, his mind made things real ...in the real...I don't however think the humans have any kind of tech in them..The electricity he emitted was the current that every human body has in them he just released it in a small emp..which explains the coma..his body had to "recharge" its electrical current..I'm sure if the movies hadn't ended where they did we would have seen more of Neo's matrix abilites surface in the real, causeing him to become more god-like...

**Illyria22**

All redpills have Machine implants, so they can be hooked into the Matrix. The One's programing allowed him to broadcast to the sentinels outside the Matrix. (Nice wireless setup, Neo!)

Illyria

Vedren · 03/01/2007 08:51:01

When I said tech I meant like nanos an such yes I know they had the jacks that sent info to their nervous system, but they didnt have any kind of tech that they could use offensively in the real..it was all passive...just plugs into the nervous system..

betaprimus

first of all, the sentinals are the "grunts" of the machine city, being that, they have a combat system with strategies, and tactics, however not a true AI

the sentinals are controlled remotely

the way the pods work is the machines developed the pods to contain and keep the humans inside asleep, unaware of the real world, the human body does not contain the hardware to interact directly with a synthetic interface

so the machines developed a way of physically connecting a human upto "the system" however wires alone does not connect a human the system, so something was needed to bridge the gap between the organic and synthetic, nano-machines were created to translate between the organic and synthetic

so as others have said, neo used his connection to the sentinals to make them stop, it was not a flaw in the nano-bots of neo, it was a flaw in the sentinals, they were far from their remote control source, and neo's nano-bots signal was greater than the machines

so when neo went to the machine city, the signal he sent out was quickly overwelmed by the signals from the machine city

WGAnubis1

betaprimus wrote:

first of all, the sentinals are the "grunts" of the machine city, being that, they have a combat system with strategies, and tactics, however not a true AI
the sentinals are controlled remotely

the way the pods work is the machines developed the pods to contain and keep the humans inside asleep, unaware of the real world, the human body does not contain the hardware to interact directly with a synthetic interface
so the machines developed a way of physically connecting a human upto "the system" however wires alone does not connect a human the system, so something was needed to bridge the gap between the organic and synthetic, nano-machines were created to translate between the organic and synthetic

so as others have said, neo used his connection to the sentinals to make them stop, it was not a flaw in the nano-bots of neo, it was a flaw in the sentinals, they were far from their remote control source, and neo's nano-bots signal was greater than the machines
so when neo went to the machine city, the signal he sent out was quickly overwelmed by the signals from the machine city

Um, Sentinels do have AI's. The commandos are the RSI representation of the sentinels that were sent to attack Zion in the third movie. Further more, in the animatrix short, matriculated, the humans make an effort to convert the AI's of the bots rather then reprogram them.

The pods arnt designed keep people locked up but to just hold a human body, feed them and harness the electrical energy of the body. If the pods were meant to hold a human against there will, Neo and all the other redpills would -never- have been able to wake up, with or without the redpill, and easyly pushed threw the gel skin that forms at the brim of the pod.

You have to remember that the machines base the matrix on the concept of choice and or the illusion that one has a choice. Most, if not all, that is done by the machines when it comes to humans is to maintain this idea and illusion including the use of sentinels and agents.

As for nano bots, that was talked about in the ultimate edition as a way the interface works, but I believe it was never confirmed as being THE way it works.

phaydren

come at this from a diffrent stand point for a second..
what if neo didnt acctually stop the sentinells in the real
what if it was just another cleverly crafted method of control the architect dreamed up, giving neo the ilusion of power.

so they couldnt get him to hand over the source code in the matrix when he was supposed to, then what...

lead him to believe he can control the machines themselves, and more importantly destroy them and he will come to them of his own will,

looking at it now maybe it was the architect or deaus ex machina setting off the sentinels and squidde bomb's auto destruct remotley, just to add another layer of control, so they could coerce him todo their bidding and remove smith.

of coures all this is purely theory, but its as good an explination as any

cesspool

This is how I've come to see Neo's real world powers. When he touched the source, he became connected to it. Everything in the machine network leads back to the source, sentinels, programs, everything. He ended up in Mobile avenue as a result of sort of wirelessly hacking into the machine network when he fried the sentinels. I believe that the machines use a form of wireless transmission of energy to get power to auxillary units like sentinels and all the various individual machines, as having to charge batteries would be inefficient and I feel that a race of machines would have no trouble discovering and putting to use such a technology since Tesla managed to do some very interesting stuff with it. Its almost analogous to the "floating feast" for the exiles in a way I suppose, which itself is something I haven't thought about for a very long time.