Thanks for your view obviously  thats why i made this thread to see what peoples view where on different loads so no, no offense taken and thanks for the compliments also hehe but Honestly if you have buffed accuracy clothing on etc in pvp while being a sneak hacker and you take off spy style which then doesnt switch style while ur in sneak so while logic cannon 2.0 is loading ur not visable still so by the time you come out of sneak you've just hit em with some big *CENSORED* damage and litally out of no where, The reason i bring this load up is because its a worth while load in my perpective as it works with me, some people may think its a waste of time as there are other things u could load but when theres a zion filled mara and u wanna pick zions out one by one without being seen this load is pretty effective, but thats my Pov.

P.S - I've yet to see you! Whats your characters name on vector? is it dischord or?

You're probably gonna be angry when I tell you my vector name. disch0rd is my syntax name. on vector, they call me AlCapwnt.

and I never thought about the cannon 2 thing while in sneak. but like I said, you still lose a lot of damage, and also, I like to use cannon 2 with Insidious Code. If you do things right you can hit someone with even the highest resists for 1,500 damage. and once you do that, they're pretty much dead. Again if you work thinks out right, you can hit them with 3 hacks after that, and they're dead. but that's just assuming that you hit everytime, and the person is at full health.

Another thing that I believe, is that bonuses are basically worthless. Again this is just my opinion, but I find it more worthwhile to wear all max resist stuff[lvl 50 stuff with 36 resistances] than to wear stuff with accuracy bonus.

why would i be angry? lmao i helped u level a bit when u first came to vector why would i have a grudge, fair we've had our ups and downs but who doesnt u get me... Anyways, i know there is a differents with hacker and the clothing accuracy bonus because when i load my resistance stuff (which i have macro'd for whenever im about same as with the accuracy stuff) it fails to hit as much as when i have accuracy stuff on not that big a bonus but u can definatly tell the differents, also with indiious code i love it but i can still land a good 1,200 on a guy with 230 viral resistance, but ya with indious code combind with overclock and if ur feeling brave a red fist and u could be looking at a still 1,700 - 800 on the person ur fighting. No doubt i have no grudge agaist anyone who comes from syntax and honestly your proberly one of the best pvpers i've seen come from there ;D more compertition if u ask me.

Normally what I do is insidious code, root, upgrade attacks, and cannon 2. While Cannon 2 is casting, I switch to power attacks, that way you get the accuracy buff, and you can keep your power attacks on as long as upgrade attacks is activated. That way you're going to be doing a lot of damage, because of the resistance debuff on Insidious Code, PLUS the damage buff from power attacks, and you're more than making up for the accuracy you lose by using power attacks, with the upgrade attacks buff.

And also about that Sneak/Cannon 2 load. It's a good idea for that, the fact that you can sneak up on someone and hit them with cannon 2 and they die, especially noobs. However, there's some downgrades to that idea. You can't use upgrade attacks or overclock or any other type of buff for yourself, or debuff for the opponent without getting yanked out of sneak. So, the fact that you're kind of stuck only using power or speed attacks for the buffs, which if you use speed, it will probably hit, but not do a whole lot of damage. or power, where you might not hit at all. If you do miss, it foils your cover, and gives away your position, unless you jump away. To me, I'd use sniper because you can use Line Up The Shot, cast the sniper attack while switching to power tactics, and you'll hit 9 out of 10 times. Where as the percentage of success with the sneak cannon 2 load might not be as successful.

I love how me and you are the only people talking in this thread. XD

Nah. I've been on Syntax a lot lately honing some skills I haven't worked with much. I'm in a tourney today on vector, so I'll be there most of the day today.

I agree completely with what you've said about the cannon/sneak thing. It's got many ups and downs, but to me, it's just something I wouldn't use. but I can see why you would use it, especially on a team and in a hostile environment.

I wish they'd fix root 1 though.

I still find hacker to be a really aggressive load, and can be used for more than a support class. Running around with a duelist or MA is fun, especially if you've got a nice debuff/ballista load going, then yeah, it's a great support class.

but if you load ballista/vector, you can literally be a tank. a gunman friend of mine eSk0 and I took down red after red tonight using this sort of style, the DOT attacks are awesome, with short reuse timers, so I can hit someone with 4 or 5 of these attacks before my shield even gets taken down. So if eSk0 was interlocked with someone, I'd hit them with as many DOTs I could before another red pulled me into interlock. from then I'd use upgrade attacks and switch it up between the DOT attakcs and the ballista attakcs in interlock. but those DOT's that I hit the first oppenent with are constantly destroying the person eSk0 is interlocked with, so either way before the second opponent even killed me, eSk0 would have the person he was interlocked with first dead, and be working on the opponent that's fighting me. This is an example where it's fit for a variety of styles.

Hacker is the most versatile in my opinion, it's what I've been using a lot lately, and I really like it now. I think there's so much you can do with it. I've got like 5 really good hacker loads, and I'm sure it won't be that few for much longer.

As for the patcher/operative stuff, I really hate that. I mean, hey, Bay, I know it's your thing, and that's cool. but I think that buffing yourself to bloody h3ll and letting your gun do the rest, is kind of weak and cheatin'. but it works, and I know there's a lot more to it than buffing yourself to sh1t and letting the combat system do the rest. Some people like it because it works, but I don't like it for that reason. To me it's not a challange. I just think it kind of takes the exitement out of a fight. :/ but if it works for you, then /thumbsup

Well it's not so much that the load is cheating, it's just that it works versus someone who uses a full operative tree, and are good at it, like myself. (not to brag) and still get beat solely because of the buffs that the opponent is using.

We've dueled before, Bay, and no doubt about it you know what you're doing when it comes to that load. As I've said it's not simply buffing yourself to h3ll and back, and then letting your gun do the rest, unlike CR1 there is SOME skill involved, and the load CAN be beaten solely with an operative tree, or a hacker tree, or anyone who knows what they're doing, but it just comes back to tactics and knowing what works against a patcher build like that. :/

nice to see bay has joined the thread From Hacker Vs Hacker point of view i''d say that Networkattacker/ravager is a very good load i've been using it alot lately and taking down basicly anyone in my path, (not bragging just saying lmao) and in logic it has its strengths and its weaknesses like any other load. The debuffs killing off ma's and then contant DoTs just from the ravager tree are powerful enough to take down your oppent not to mention the I.S bonus and accuracy bonus your getting from the tree and also the ballistic and melee defense bonus which is working Massively in intellock and outside intellock. I've been using many different loads and styles lately and no doubt about it, i've been hacker since begining... and i will always be a hacker

Well hacker is a really good tree, in my opinion. It doesn't narrow you down to a specific thing like an operative tree does. and especially since the combat revision, being able to hack in interlocks makes hacker an even better tree. The combo's and possibilites with the hacker classes are almost endless. Making the tree a lot more fun to play with, in my opinion, and you can load all sorts of things to change what type of fighting you want to do. Whether it be debuffs to help out your team, or you want to go all out and take out people on your own with Ballista, or you wanna tank up and destroy the masses with Howitzer. This is why I like Hacker, the possibility of variation.

Also, does anyone know about hax in constructs? I never really tried it with any of my alts or anything, but I don't know if anyone has, and if they've been successful or not? As far as I know, Operative such as MA or Guns is the best way to take out construct bosses, but has anyone tried hacker since CR2? What was successful? What wasn't? Anything? :/

Well I know that taking the Taskmasker 1 on 1 as hacker isn't easy, but if you've got a partner or more and are trying to take him out, it's very possible.

I kind of felt the same way about hacking in constructs, too. Although I haven't tried it I feel that the operative trees such as MA and Gunman have the advantage as far as accuracy and damage go for the abilities that are accessable at the required level, therefor giving those operative trees the upper hand against construct bosses. Perhaps I'll try it on another character, but I doubt that the results will be very successful.

Another topic I'd like to discuss, the force multiplier tree. We all know that in CR1 you could be a total tank with the correct load using this tree. With rolls in the upper 300's, and mad ranged combat tactics, this load was pretty tough to beat 1 against 1, unless the opponent was using hacker as well. But I never really tested it after cr2, does anyone know of any really good loads using FM, or is it just about worthless now? I know there's a few abilites worth loading for the area heals and such. but is there anything else?

Hmmm. I have a bunch of ideas brewing in my head right now.

but i do know that it doesnt really work on the task master in zero one lol - KD