Reposco wrote:

Hm... facial hair, eh? I must say that Agent had some tacky style going, and yes... the innocent bluepills are always sacrifices on the alter of Efficientcy, I'm glad someone here besides EPN's Crusaders can see that as well. 

Neo Bless You                                                                                                                                                                                              

Reposco

Tacky style? Some of your.. crusaders.. might wanna look in the mirror. *Whistles*

imax wrote:

Reposco wrote:

Hm... facial hair, eh? I must say that Agent had some tacky style going, and yes... the innocent bluepills are always sacrifices on the alter of Efficientcy, I'm glad someone here besides EPN's Crusaders can see that as well. 

Neo Bless You                                                                                                                                                                                              

Reposco

Your statement is not only wrong but irrelevant. The EPN Crusaders goal was simple, destroy the matrix and everyone in it by any means necessary. The goal of this operation was to protect the matrix and everyone connected to it by eliminating the current most deadly threat. We are saving lives as apposed to taking them. E Pluribus Neo is incapable of understanding this, so they wish to try and twist the events, and create this delusional misrepresentation of the machines and machinists.

...Because who knows the EPN agenda better than the group that's been relentlessly pursuing them and attempting to kill them since their inception?

I don't think it matters too much concerning the bluepill's life here... As I've said before, since a normal bluepill cannot be accelerated and an agent can, it obviously means that the agent program has invaded and pervaded their existence, to the point where they are no longer human. In other words, it's not the bullet in the agent that kills them, it's the program that makes them the agent in the first place.

 

I think you all need to stop basing Agents in the game on what you've seen in the movies. You don't know if these Agents spawned in through bluepills and there's nothing we've seen that proves that Agents can only exist in the Matrix by spawning through bluepills.

Great job, everyone! Way to stick it to those X-poppin' Agents!

((Yeah... I'm voting for Barack Obama, so I approve of black Agents. But facial hair?

 Who are we, the Red Sox?))

((Yeah... I'm voting for Barack Obama, so I approve of black Agents. But facial hair?  Who are we, the Red Sox?))

ThePigeonKing wrote:

 

I think you all need to stop basing Agents in the game on what you've seen in the movies. You don't know if these Agents spawned in through bluepills and there's nothing we've seen that proves that Agents can only exist in the Matrix by spawning through bluepills.

((But the Agent spawning effect (for 255s anyway) is a bluepill turning into one.))

But not all Agents are 255.

I think you need to think outside the box: There are programs that all have certain purposes and abilities and not all Agents are the same.

Neoteny wrote:

...Because who knows the EPN agenda better than the group that's been relentlessly pursuing them and attempting to kill them since their inception?

I don't think it matters too much concerning the bluepill's life here... As I've said before, since a normal bluepill cannot be accelerated and an agent can, it obviously means that the agent program has invaded and pervaded their existence, to the point where they are no longer human. In other words, it's not the bullet in the agent that kills them, it's the program that makes them the agent in the first place.

Edit: Flaming ~ Alternity

((And Cap, I don't really know about the whole agents being separate entities thing. Since there's been nothing further in the game to suggest that they're not based on bluepills, I kind of keep thinking that they're agents in the same sense that the agents from the movies are. I mean, if you really want to *CENSORED* with canon, that's where you can do it, but as far as I've seen so far, it hasn't happened. /shrug))

Edited for flaming ~ Alternity

It is not the Agent program that kills the bluepills it is the bullet or attack that kills the bluepill. An Agent program temporarily overwrites the bluepill and it is the program that gets accelerated, but that does not mean that the bluepill host is no longer human.

The bluepill would not die if it wasn't for the bullet or attack, any attempt to say otherwise is just a way of shifting the blame to the program and away from the attacker.

Vinia wrote:

It is not the Agent program that kills the bluepills it is the bullet or attack that kills the bluepill. An Agent program temporarily overwrites the bluepill and it is the program that gets accelerated, but that does not mean that the bluepill host is no longer human.

Not that again. Who is shifting the blame now? You are shifting the blame, Vinia, completely. Your only excuse is US having an EJP, end of (your) story. It is has long become unreasonable to turn bluepills into Agents because
1. Since the truce more Agents have been eliminated through the amass of Operatives (from every organisation I might add).
2. Since the truce (and even now after the breaking) spawning Agents in their own recources has become more than just "inefficient", it has become a farce.

Vinia wrote:

The bluepill would not die if it wasn't for the bullet or attack, any attempt to say otherwise is just a way of shifting the blame to the program and away from the attacker.

Telling us to stop shooting at someone who wants to kill us is 1. stupid (yes, that argument is all kinds of stupid, but hey ->">, 2. only possible for you because you are not in the same position. 

We may kill the blue behind the Agent, that is our fault (your so-called blame), but the Machines fault is, that they readily accept the loss of individual blues (mhm.. that guy we don't need, overwrite him.  If he dies, just take over that other one over there). Yeah, they do not care.


Now be ashamed of yourself for not seeing your so beloved Machines fault. Blaming us alone? Yes, you're a true Machinist, a nice Program thinking only what's it given to think of. *claps*

- DD

((Edit: Typos :S))

First off, be aware that it was I who said I was saddened by the loss of life, lost at the hands of Machinists who were doing their job to prevent Accelerated Agents from being a danger.

Secondly, my reply to Neoteny was not to debate on the efficiency or effectiveness or moral implications of how the Machines system does what it does, it is just fact. Notice I never pointed at anyone specifically? Whoever kills an Agent should be aware that it is the Bluepill who gets killed, If the Agent is/was not killed the Bluepill is fine, that is all I was driving at in my response.

I have debated upon this issue before and neither of us will see each others view so I do not see the point in continuing it again. Oh and I'm Human thankyou very much not a 'nice program', I think for myself.

((aha! I agree with Asa and the others. Good to see some new looking Agents, the tan one, red head, african american, all of that stuff. Like the agents that appear in the cinematics, good to see some relation))

Aha! Some different looking Agents. Now without checking their Operator's code reading, the zionites will have trouble determining the difference between the Machinist Operatives, and the agents themselves.

Oh boy. Bluepills dying yes. Now if you want to bring up killing bluepills, let's talk Epn. Shall we say, uhm, code bombs!?! No. Let's not say Code bombs! That'd cause too much of a feud, and as someone who avoids jacking into the Matrix, since I do run an entire ship, on my own! I will try and not to bring that up. The Agents DO spawn in different ways besides possessing bluepills. There is no way of proving those Agents were possessing bluepills.  Usually, when an Agent dies, it will turn back into a bluepill, but that hardly happens anymore. Am I saying agents don't possess bluepills as much anymore? No. I am saying that not every Agent spawns from a bluepill source. Is that a quick an efficient way of doing so? Yes! Think though, Agent Gray and Agent Pace. now a bluepill would have to be almost permanently under Agent control, since they are around for such long periods of time! Agent Pace was made from the Machines, I'm sure she has the capability of possessing bluepills, yet, she  hasn't been seen doing so. The Machines control the System, the Architect, The Source, who maybe more powerful than the Architect, they control it. They can spawn Agents anytime they want. Agent Gray has done it before when the machinists have trouble. That's not all bluepill possession! Bluepill possession is just a quick efficient way of spawning Agents. If they don't do that, the Agents I'm sure have to spawn from a perticular area, and then walk or jump or whatever to their location.  Oh, and if you zionites are so concerned with these bluepills. Stay out of the Matrix, and stop killing our agents. Giving up would for sure save these bluepill lives. Also, agents aren't spawning from bluepills thinking! I bet I'll be killed off today! They're thinking, I must protect  this system. Now that is a big message to transmit, again, running ship Alone!

-Operator Fragz