ShiXinFeng wrote:

Villemar_MxO wrote:

... 2 server is its a simple binary system ...

 

 

Cool as that sounds, though, I think I would rather have a single Matrix Universe, with DT and the Barrens being hostile and the Slums and Intl being normal. 

That would be cool. /agree

ShiXinFeng wrote:

Villemar_MxO wrote:

... 2 server is its a simple binary system ...

Oooh, this gave me a little thrill when I read it. . .

The Matrix Online - SystemInstance_0 - RP/Normal

The Matrix Online - SystemInstance_1 - PvP/Hostile

 

Cool as that sounds, though, I think I would rather have a single Matrix Universe, with DT and the Barrens being hostile and the Slums and Intl being normal. 

Hehe.  I knew you were a binary kind of guy

One thing I forgot to mention with the 2-server option, is that with the added slots on Vector and those who dont want to use all 6 slots on Syncursion?  Storage alts!  Another problem solved. (Lord knows we need it on Vector).

Don't you think the people on Vector RP too?

With all due respect you know i have for you Avath, there's one thing that needs to be understood. We can all agree on a subject and get , say 10 thousand votes. Sure, we'll have our lil own religion but that won't change anything. We've been given the illusion that this is a democracy but it's not. Simply put, (and i'm not bashing the devs or anything), Rarebit does what he wants, slightly influenced by SoE's company politics and demands.  It's an autocracy, and even if we can suggest minor content stuff from our seats down below, i don't think we'll ever be the cause of major changes.

As for me, yeah, I'd be down with the whole  merge thing, i could even give Rare the arguments. But he's not interested, as you can see from those other 4 links Tranque posted.

/headbow Avath

P.S.: Villemar, the alt thing will only be solved for the merged server but Vector would still have 3. I don't follow your logics.

NeoExcidious wrote:

Rarebit does what he wants, slightly influenced by SoE's company politics and demands.  It's an autocracy, and even if we can suggest minor content stuff from our seats down below, i don't think we'll ever be the cause of major changes.

As for me, yeah, I'd be down with the whole  merge thing, i could even give Rare the arguments. But he's not interested, as you can see from those other 4 links Tranque posted.

I would say that you got it the wrong way around. Rarebit, 9mmfu and Dracomet, as employees of SOE, do what they can under the instruction from SOE and slightly influenced by Rare's story progression. Unless you have proper evidence or an admission as such suggesting that Rare makes all decisions regarding MxO, calling him out like that is plain ignorant. As for not commenting in those threads, the Dev's usually don't comment on company policy or admit to any issues a department is having, it doesn't mean that they don't read them. Although they may be getting a bit bored of it by now.

Anyway, as pointed out before Vector has had low population at some point and so has Syntax apparently, calling for a merge when WoW has a new expansion pack out, several new games have come out and with people working more due to the upcoming festive season is more of an alarmist action.

As I said, I'm willing to wait into the latter half of the next update, after Christmas when things get to normal, to take a decent look at the entire picture before conceding the point that perhaps a server merge may be necessary.

I seriously doubt anyone here really cares about what light a server merge would be shown in by the media. Much like another SOE game, PlanetSide (wich actually underwent a server merge about half a year ago, due to similar issues), MXO hasn't really ever had any major media coverage (in other words suffered a huge lack of advertisement), and ANY coverage wouldultimately have a positive effect since most people who read gaming news today have no clue MXO exists anyway.

Ingus:

1 server, WV and DT hostile = Hell yeah. That is by far the best idea i have read on these forums.

Those two areas just don't live up to their description. They are supposed to lurk with danger for any level, but they do not even on Vector, since i hardly ever see anyone in WV there. And yes, imo a merge it would ultimately ease it up for development efforts.

However, i am afraid this is not happening. I, personally do not have a clue just how much hassle the merge process itself would pose (The DATABASE zomg), and do not presume that most of us oridnary subscirbers do. Basing on some snippets i read here and there I believe last time it was done was with the help of the full original developer team, which we unfortunately do not have at this moment, and which has probably not documented the mechanics for the remaining team either (much like the time with some weird texture issue stumbeld upon by Bayamos or one of the bazman chicks).

NeoExcidious wrote:

Don't you think the people on Vector RP too?

With all due respect you know i have for you Avath, there's one thing that needs to be understood. We can all agree on a subject and get , say 10 thousand votes. Sure, we'll have our lil own religion but that won't change anything. We've been given the illusion that this is a democracy but it's not. Simply put, (and i'm not bashing the devs or anything), Rarebit does what he wants, slightly influenced by SoE's company politics and demands.  It's an autocracy, and even if we can suggest minor content stuff from our seats down below, i don't think we'll ever be the cause of major changes.

As for me, yeah, I'd be down with the whole  merge thing, i could even give Rare the arguments. But he's not interested, as you can see from those other 4 links Tranque posted.

/headbow Avath

P.S.: Villemar, the alt thing will only be solved for the merged server but Vector would still have 3. I don't follow your logics.

To your point, I think it would create a level playing field for Vector by adding three additional slots.  So you'd have:

Syncursion - 6 slots - nonhostile

Vector - 6 slots - hostile

Nice and easy.  And, indeed some of us do RP on Vector   It makes it much more interesting as the choices you make can have very lethal and immediate consequences

Absolutely no.

I could see merging Syntax and Recursion, but I would be against it.  I go to Syntax to get away from Recursion's drama.  I remember how bad merging with Method sort of ruined the Regression community.  Don't need to go through that again.

As for the hostile thing...  well, if I wanted to pvp, I would've rolled on a pvp server.  As it is, I spend a lot of my time downtown, and I don't want to have to deal with getting ganked by the pvptards.  I don't play this game to pvp.

We have contructs for pvp, as well as an optional flagging system.  I'm fine with that.  But don't make areas that you eventually need to go to into mandatory pvp zones.  Not everyone plays for pvp.

Fen wrote:

Absolutely no.

I could see merging Syntax and Recursion, but I would be against it.  I go to Syntax to get away from Recursion's drama.  I remember how bad merging with Method sort of ruined the Regression community.  Don't need to go through that again.

As for the hostile thing...  well, if I wanted to pvp, I would've rolled on a pvp server.  As it is, I spend a lot of my time downtown, and I don't want to have to deal with getting ganked by the pvptards.  I don't play this game to pvp.

We have contructs for pvp, as well as an optional flagging system.  I'm fine with that.  But don't make areas that you eventually need to go to into mandatory pvp zones.  Not everyone plays for pvp.

Oh please, Regression is what Regressed the Method community, we were just fine and dandy until your lot came along! And trust me, Syntax has as much drama as Recursion does, you just need to know where to look (like on the Syntax forums right now). And honostly, the Truce is gone... so there SHOULD be PvP zones due to the Truce being gone, so downtown would be the best place for that.  But yeah, thats a discussion for another topic. But yeah, I think merging Syntax and Recursion would be good but after thinking on it some... don't merge Vector with the other two. I think that would erupt in epic dramaz from two totally different mind sets.

Ebola wrote:

Fen wrote:

Absolutely no.

I could see merging Syntax and Recursion, but I would be against it.  I go to Syntax to get away from Recursion's drama.  I remember how bad merging with Method sort of ruined the Regression community.  Don't need to go through that again.

As for the hostile thing...  well, if I wanted to pvp, I would've rolled on a pvp server.  As it is, I spend a lot of my time downtown, and I don't want to have to deal with getting ganked by the pvptards.  I don't play this game to pvp.

We have contructs for pvp, as well as an optional flagging system.  I'm fine with that.  But don't make areas that you eventually need to go to into mandatory pvp zones.  Not everyone plays for pvp.

Oh please, Regression is what Regressed the Method community, we were just fine and dandy until your lot came along! And trust me, Syntax has as much drama as Recursion does, you just need to know where to look (like on the Syntax forums right now). And honostly, the Truce is gone... so there SHOULD be PvP zones due to the Truce being gone, so downtown would be the best place for that.  But yeah, thats a discussion for another topic. But yeah, I think merging Syntax and Recursion would be good but after thinking on it some... don't merge Vector with the other two. I think that would erupt in epic dramaz from two totally different mind sets.

I think fen does make a good case for the 2-server option.  But the drama part, well, that's really on the player.  And with more players you have more options as to who you want to be around and who you don't.  (Especially with effectively no more Live Events).

Again, either option would be fine by me but I can see how a 2 server option would be a good start.  We could always see how that goes first and if that works out well, we can always merge Syncursion and Vector later if worse comes to worse.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Ebola wrote:

Fen wrote:

Absolutely no.

I could see merging Syntax and Recursion, but I would be against it.  I go to Syntax to get away from Recursion's drama.  I remember how bad merging with Method sort of ruined the Regression community.  Don't need to go through that again.

As for the hostile thing...  well, if I wanted to pvp, I would've rolled on a pvp server.  As it is, I spend a lot of my time downtown, and I don't want to have to deal with getting ganked by the pvptards.  I don't play this game to pvp.

We have contructs for pvp, as well as an optional flagging system.  I'm fine with that.  But don't make areas that you eventually need to go to into mandatory pvp zones.  Not everyone plays for pvp.

Oh please, Regression is what Regressed the Method community, we were just fine and dandy until your lot came along! And trust me, Syntax has as much drama as Recursion does, you just need to know where to look (like on the Syntax forums right now). And honostly, the Truce is gone... so there SHOULD be PvP zones due to the Truce being gone, so downtown would be the best place for that.  But yeah, thats a discussion for another topic. But yeah, I think merging Syntax and Recursion would be good but after thinking on it some... don't merge Vector with the other two. I think that would erupt in epic dramaz from two totally different mind sets.

I think fen does make a good case for the 2-server option.  But the drama part, well, that's really on the player.  And with more players you have more options as to who you want to be around and who you don't.  (Especially with effectively no more Live Events).

Again, either option would be fine by me but I can see how a 2 server option would be a good start.  We could always see how that goes first and if that works out well, we can always merge Syncursion and Vector later if worse comes to worse.

Alrite, so everyone that matters agrees now... Rarebit, get to it.

Hmm, it seems that the majority of forum lurkers have a tendency to "lol" when their mouth is full of some substance, in most cases coffee or coke.

Fen - i do not have a character on Recursion, so i am quite unfamiliar with this "drama" thing. Do you all just hate each other alot or something? If so then why do you wish to continue being locked up with the same people that you despise, insead of letting more people in to ease the pressure?

And the pvp thing, heh, well old gaming argument is old. EVE has a perfect solution to this, wich is, again, dangerous zones and pacified zones. Empire space 1.0 is secured, 0.0 is lawless. Speaking in oversimplifed terms, space with lower security than 1.0 has gradually greater benefits doing business in.

Dont want to get ganked - have backup, use stealth, learn to run. Can't handle it-don't go there and wait till you have the numbers or noone is around. That is all that there is to handling yourself in a world that is by design supposed to be dangerous.

Actually, Recursion seems to be relatively drama-free as of late.  But in it's heyday...  hooowee!  I just wouldn't want to subject Syntax to that.

For the pvp part...  that's great that it works for EVE, and it's great that those of you for it can justify it.  But, I don't play EVE, I play MxO.  And I rolled a PvE server because I'm not a fan of pvp.  Someone elses' playstyle shouldn't be forced on me...  and since I personally spend a lot of time in Downtown, it would be forced on me.

Quite honestly, forcing some areas of the city to be pvp areas (especially areas that I frequent a lot) would probably be enough to get me to leave the game.

Those of you that are for it...  well, there's a lot more pve players than there are pvp players.  Looking at how much of a ghost town Vector is, should be proof enough on why this playstyle shouldn't be forced on everyone.

For the record, I have a character on Vector, and I do have a good time and there's some great people over there.  But it's just not something I'd want to spend all my time on, especially if I'm just jacked in and doing some in-faction chatting and RP.

I agree.  With RP, it'd be nice to have some kind of need for secret locations and the occasional door being kicked down and fights happening - if it were within the confines of RPvP.  Having someone like Endo show up at a meeting might not make all the RPers happy with the environment, thus forced PvP is a bad idea.  Not to rag on Endo or PvPers - it's just that RPers would prefer if they could choose to only fight with people who aren't talking OOC all the time. :P

Thats what the orginization constructs are for :p We're in a War *which some people have forgotten I guess* Its totally reasonable for a Machine crack down on a Zion Terrorist meeting, or a terrorist attack on a Machine meeting... its called immersion ^_^

Hyperviolent wrote:

Dont want to get ganked - have backup, use stealth, learn to run. Can't handle it-don't go there and wait till you have the numbers or noone is around. That is all that there is to handling yourself in a world that is by design supposed to be dangerous.

It's easy to say that, but some people have other things going on in their lives and time is limited in MxO.  In a perfect world whever everyone can spend all of their time in game, sure, this makes lots of sense, but when I can only get in for a few hours a week, having to call on people to babysit me so I can run through the new missions is kind of crazy.  I play on a non-hostile server so that I can get things done when I have time to play the game.  I do, however, often flag PvP these days due to a bit of RP I was involved in.  It's not that I'm "scared" it's that there are other things I want to do in the limited time I've got.

As for the actual topic of a server merge, I'm still on the fence.  The thing is, not once in any thread that I've found recently has a dev popped in to say anything.  Everyone is making all these assumptions about merging and saying "oh well, we'll just up the character count to six, all better."  That might not even be possible. 

The thing is, we have no idea whatsoever what would go into a server merge.  If I had to guess, there's no way that any of the devs are going to talk about it, be it that they don't want to, or more importantly, they're not able/allowed to.  A server merge is going to be a lot of work.  It's not just a copy/paste bing bang boom done.  And of course, don't forget about the all-delicate database which I've read in the past might melt into a firey explosion if you even say the word database too often.

All that being said, I'd be for a merge as long as we're guaranteed MxO won't die in a firey crash because of the attempt.  I don't think that's something that can be guaranteed at this stage of the game, though.