Please help; need help against MS

**Harpadzo**

Hi all,

I need help against MS - I've read the other posts and they say it's to get away; however, I've seen a player use MS, attack us in Data Mine, and get this, ALL his attacks connect and NONE of our attacks or IL attempts succeed. What's unbelievable is that the evade appears never to go away.

How can a MS be stopped? On one of my encounters a MS showed up, attacked, evade never went away from what I saw, and no IL attempt was successful. Guys, there were 10 of us and one of them.

I don't mind getting killed when IL'ed with Raeder - It's PvP; however, when we focus on the MS, we should be able to take him down; against one, two or even three, BUT against 10 -c'mon!

I was told to get powerless/stun on them, but you can't because you can't connect to begin with - very, very, frustrating!

Can anyone provide input? Especially about attacking with evade up the whole time.

Thanks in advance

**flecky** · 05/20/2008 05:51:33

ITs very frustrating i know but thats what it is for. You cant harm or interlock someone once they get MS going until the timer runs out (cant remember how long it is since I aint used it in 2 years) but if you can land poweless on the guy and get his shield down fast you can il him and he will be toast. But as soon as the shield is down or hes gonna HJ lol

**Hanzyl and Gretyl**

-Follow them as MS goes away eventually. In Datamine they can't just HL away and reset.
-Destroy Resolve and the other hack that kills IS regen before the MS should work some.... never tried myself though.
-Everyone shoot him with the stun gun. With 10 of you someone should stun him and prevent him from going into MS form.
-Bring 1 Area healer and he can jump you all he wants but he won't kill ya... unless he has friends or your lower level than him.

**Pylat**

If you're determined to take him down get a hacker to load Buffer Overflow 2.0, that stops him from putting up MS altogether.

MattRobson

I was under the impression that while in MS you couldn't attack others and if you did then your MS buff evade goes?

if this is the case then realistically MS is not really a threat if you have a gank squad at the ready, as soon as they attack it goes and you gank em. if this is not the case an i am misled it will run out eventually just follow them

Also its always fun to keep on trying to break their evade when they are in MS... they may think your stupid but its like a moth to light kind of situation i just cant help it.

**Mave**

Little known fact, Master Shadow is a buff that is applied to the user, much like Hyper-Speed. Because of that trait, it uses up Buffer space.

If you have a friend or if you're loaded for Hacker, load Buffer Overflow 2.0 and cast it on them after a root. No matter how hard they try, they will not be able to cast Master Shadow on themselves because their buffer is maxed.

**Harpadzo**

Pylat wrote:

If you're determined to take him down get a hacker to load Buffer Overflow 2.0, that stops him from putting up MS altogether.

ok - will the initial hack attack go through shield, or will the shield need to be down first?

**Aquatium.**

Harpadzo wrote:

Pylat wrote:
If you're determined to take him down get a hacker to load Buffer Overflow 2.0, that stops him from putting up MS altogether.
ok - will the initial hack attack go through shield, or will the shield need to be down first?

All hacks are designed to be mostly OOIL, infact you will notice that the debuffs all have to be applied OOIL and can't be cast inside, so shield on/off makes no difference.

Buffer overflow is good, but your better off having a hacker cast powerless = no ability can be used during that time, which means no MS, but no jumping away when they release they can't cast it.

You only ever need to take down a shield to execute IL attacks.

**Harpadzo**

Mave wrote:

Little known fact, Master Shadow is a buff that is applied to the user, much like Hyper-Speed. Because of that trait, it uses up Buffer space.

If you have a friend or if you're loaded for Hacker, load Buffer Overflow 2.0 and cast it on them after a root. No matter how hard they try, they will not be able to cast Master Shadow on themselves because their buffer is maxed.

Ty Mave for your input, but I need to be sure - Can the root be applied right away (sry, never hacked before) or after shield is down? Will a root take hold with shield up?

**Aquatium.**

Harpadzo wrote:

Mave wrote:
Little known fact, Master Shadow is a buff that is applied to the user, much like Hyper-Speed. Because of that trait, it uses up Buffer space.

If you have a friend or if you're loaded for Hacker, load Buffer Overflow 2.0 and cast it on them after a root. No matter how hard they try, they will not be able to cast Master Shadow on themselves because their buffer is maxed.

Ty Mave for your input, but I need to be sure - Can the root be applied right away (sry, never hacked before) or after shield is down? Will a root take hold with shield up?

Read my reply above.

Roots can be applied at anytime, as well as slows, so decide which to use from the 2, because most roots break on damage, where slows do not. Again the shield up/down is of no concern when hacking from outside IL. IMO a slow or negative movement speed is better on a target after you hit buffer or powerless on them, that way you can hit them for some damage before IL. I've killed MS's in DM before as a solo hacker, use the right setup and tactics its easily done.

**Harpadzo**

Aquatium. wrote:

Harpadzo wrote:
Pylat wrote:
If you're determined to take him down get a hacker to load Buffer Overflow 2.0, that stops him from putting up MS altogether.
ok - will the initial hack attack go through shield, or will the shield need to be down first?
All hacks are designed to be mostly OOIL, infact you will notice that the debuffs all have to be applied OOIL and can't be cast inside, so shield on/off makes no difference.
Buffer overflow is good, but your better off having a hacker cast powerless = no ability can be used during that time, which means no MS, but no jumping away when they release they can't cast it.
You only ever need to take down a shield to execute IL attacks.

ok - bear with me because I'm new to this. That answer brings up another question - IF MS goes up, will same approach work? Cos the MS I'm referring to attacks and MS remains up and I'm told MS buff is supposed to go away when MS attacks.

**Aquatium.**

Harpadzo wrote:

ok - bear with me because I'm new to this. That answer brings up another question - IF MS goes up, will same approach work? Cos the MS I'm referring to attacks and MS remains up and I'm told MS buff is supposed to go away when MS attacks.

If the MS activates the buff, then he becomes immune to all attacks. Remember he needs to be OOIL to activate it also.

Now for the question, if the MS does ANY attack then the buff will be removed, but he/she will be able to activate it back quickly, so you have to move fast if they attack.

While the buff is activate, you can't do anything to them, but they can heal or attack either. I personally would love for hackers to have an attack which has a small chance to remove the buff (i.e Delete upgrade), but sadly we don't have that.

**Mave**

Harpadzo wrote:

Aquatium. wrote:
Harpadzo wrote:
Pylat wrote:
If you're determined to take him down get a hacker to load Buffer Overflow 2.0, that stops him from putting up MS altogether.
ok - will the initial hack attack go through shield, or will the shield need to be down first?
All hacks are designed to be mostly OOIL, infact you will notice that the debuffs all have to be applied OOIL and can't be cast inside, so shield on/off makes no difference.
Buffer overflow is good, but your better off having a hacker cast powerless = no ability can be used during that time, which means no MS, but no jumping away when they release they can't cast it.
You only ever need to take down a shield to execute IL attacks.
ok - bear with me because I'm new to this. That answer brings up another question - IF MS goes up, will same approach work? Cos the MS I'm referring to attacks and MS remains up and I'm told MS buff is supposed to go away when MS attacks.

They can begin to cast abilities but as soon as a move executes (Example: Leg Throw), MS is immediately broken AFTER the cast. While they are casting, the ability will break.

Try casting Slow on an opponent shortly after they break MS. If you're specced hacker, your attribute bonus will make it so that they can barely move. Right after that, Buffer Overflow 2.0, then hack to your heart's content. Make sure you keep refreshing Slow though, otherwise, you risk them HJing away.

**Ballak**

I'm not sure of the cast timer on Overload Buffer 2.0, but MS takes like, what one second to cast? The best strategy to take down a MS is to come to the forums and complain about it, so something actually gets changed instead of having to rely on Hacks that even then have a decent chance to miss with stats. Your best bet would be to surprise a MS, before he even notices you around, (like have three, two bust shield at the same time while the third IL's) and you keep'em in IL and powerless. Works wonders back when everyone was gun-ho for Dataminer/MS trees. If a MS gets Master Shadow popped though, it's over. Not that it matters because HJ in a PvP situation is broke anyways, but the fact that any other move in the game breaks MS except HJ is a little lame.

**Grace of Darkness**

Harpadzo wrote:

Hi all,
I need help against MS - I've read the other posts and they say it's to get away; however, I've seen a player use MS, attack us in Data Mine, and get this, ALL his attacks connect and NONE of our attacks or IL attempts succeed. What's unbelievable is that the evade appears never to go away.
How can a MS be stopped? On one of my encounters a MS showed up, attacked, evade never went away from what I saw, and no IL attempt was successful. Guys, there were 10 of us and one of them.
I don't mind getting killed when IL'ed with Raeder - It's PvP; however, when we focus on the MS, we should be able to take him down; against one, two or even three, BUT against 10 -c'mon!
I was told to get powerless/stun on them, but you can't because you can't connect to begin with - very, very, frustrating!
Can anyone provide input? Especially about attacking with evade up the whole time.
Thanks in advance

There is currently an exploit with the MS ability many players are starting to abuse. If you see any player using it simply use the /ccr command and alert a GM about the problem. Anyone that knows of this Exploit needs to send in a bug report lest you care not about the repercussion.