[7.3.3] Trust not those who claim to know - Vector - 6/19/07

**GypsyJuggler**

Some nice pics there and a good job done by Madbent.
It's kinda interesting how we have a Morpheus V2, a Cryptos V3.. how many others will be 'updated'?

**TonyJaa**

It was an interesting encounter.........

**MotorZ**

Welcome back Cryptos.

((It seems like any program that searches for a purpose goes a little insane. Smith, Cryptos (technically not a program but kinda in-between), and the Morpheus sim all are a bit off.))

**ECW42O**

Cryptos picked the wrong HL. Not smart cypherite to pick Morpheus' Legacy's hard line.

**CPT_Starschwar**

((That's what I love about Cryptos - he's seen more character development than anyone else, yet still manages to get things across in his own unique way. ))

Havocide

Whats with all the pictures including pidgeons, heh.

Haelios

I still have faith in you, Cryptos. I am with you until the end.

Steelle · 06/21/2007 17:00:17

I think the birds in all the photos made things look kind of Kickass. And that one photo looks like the dude is laying on the ground trying to look up the other guys man dress. This one.

**Madbent**

GypsyJuggler wrote:

Some nice pics there and a good job done by Madbent.
It's kinda interesting how we have a Morpheus V2, a Cryptos V3.. how many others will be 'updated'?

Thanks, Gitano.

One thing I love about the game is I'll never be able to predict when I need to dust off my ub3r 1337 rp skillz.

**Illyria22**

I agree with Cryptos's statement...don't trust those who claim to know. Belief is fine, but when it's at the expense of your common sense it becomes dangerous. If someone claims they know something beyond the shadow of a doubt, or if they're 100% sure about anything, that usually either means they're full of you-know-what or they're mentally disturbed. Just because they believe something doesn't make it true, no matter how strong that belief is. I turn and walk away whenever I come across anyone who says things like "God told me he wants me to do this" or "I know what Neo would have wanted".

Illyria

**ShiXinFeng**

Illyria22 wrote:

I agree with Cryptos's statement...don't trust those who claim to know. Belief is fine, but when it's at the expense of your common sense it becomes dangerous. If someone claims they know something beyond the shadow of a doubt, or if they're 100% sure about anything, that usually either means they're full of you-know-what or they're mentally disturbed. Just because they believe something doesn't make it true, no matter how strong that belief is. I turn and walk away whenever I come across anyone who says things like "God told me he wants me to do this" or "I know what Neo would have wanted".

Illyria

Sooo. . .we can't trust you then, right? Since you claim to know "not to trust those who know".

My God, Illyria, why didn't you just keep it short and say "Don't trust EPN"?

Oh, and someone has to know. That's all we have, our experiences, our teachings, our feelings. That makes up what we know. You are who are because you know we have to get along with the Machines. I am who I am, because I know that the Machines don't really want to get along with us. And Cryptos is who he is right now, because he doesn't know who he is. He's lost those teachings and experiences. Therefore, he doesn't know. . .

**Garu**

Everything you experience is subjective. We may all know things but that doesn't validify them as fact or truth. You and Lyr can both be told the same thing, experience the same thing or feel the same thing but ultimately your biased perceptions will manipulate it as it suits you.

**Signs**

cloudwolf wrote:

(( All the philosophical discussion is well and good but i dont know, i find it hard to find an overall unified meaning to most of it, it doesnt really help give the character any clear kinda objective or motivation - unless thats how its intended, but he's been like that quite long enough... its about time he got a clear meaning in the story again instead of being left in limbo.

Especially with New Morpheus too, its fine having one confused emo but two? Meh.

Some very nice shots though. ^.^ ))

((Did you get "New Morpheus" from me? Is it catching on? Am I a trend-setter?

Personally, I'm loving this philosophical discussion. It's what the Matrix is all about, combining action with intellectualism.))

**Mindilator2**

Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

Illyria22 wrote:

My God, Illyria, why didn't you just keep it short and say "Don't trust EPN"?

Absolutely correct. Don't trust EPN, we will F you up in a cpu millisecond. A human's greatest advantage over a machine or program is his/her ability to deceive. While you all cry about the balance and the truce, the machines are working to clear the skies that we clouded. Then they will have no need for us coppertops. This is obviously the only reason they entertain the idea of a truce, as it benefits them none to trust entities whose I/O can't be trusted. And while they work to stall us, while mainstream Zion naively trusts the machines to hold up a bargain that will soon have no meaning, there are those who realize the war is not over, it has just changed form.

I don't believe in coincidences, so I don't believe it's a coincidence the General took an interest in Sati, the weather program. The General probably realized his purpose of maintaining iterations of Zion's existence would soon be null, and strove to hide her from his creators in an effort to preserve his own existence. Now she is returned and the machines are likely using her data collections to resume a plot to end the need for the Matrix.

This is what the end looks like. And EPN will fight the dark underbelly of the beast, using our Zion counterparts as decoys.

(Is this really what EPN is up to? Who knows, I'm probably lying...)

**GamiSB**

Garu wrote:

Everything you experience is subjective. We may all know things but that doesn't validify them as fact or truth. You and Lyr can both be told the same thing, experience the same thing or feel the same thing but ultimately your biased perceptions will manipulate it as it suits you.

Experiences may be subjective but there is no denying that there is a truth in what had happend. Cryptos has it half right. "Don't trust anyone who claims to know" but he's missing the end "without showing evidence to prove what they know". Evidence and fact is what gives us the truth, without it it is just a subjective PoV on whatever transpied.