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Systemic Anomaly

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Let's say you decided that Redpill life was too dangerous, boring, cold, whatever, and went to the Cypherites for reinsertion.

Would you want a mindwipe to forget ever being extracted (with happy, content memories in place of the old ones) and take the chance of waking up again?

Or would you accept reinsertion and retain the knowledge of the true nature of the Matrix (without operative training, of course) so that you could never "re-awaken"?




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I would get the mind wipe. Because then if i dont, i will turn into preacher and it will turn ugly.


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I wouldnt go to Cyph full stop! Why would i want to live in something that isnt real.


Systemic Anomaly

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It depends. If I were awakened during the Trilogy, I'd definately go for reinsertion.  If I were awakened during Mxo, I'd either be reinserted, or take the route of joining the Machines, as my character did.  I would be part of the solution - preserving peace and slowly but surely undoing the damage war caused by conflict with  he machines. If that option were unavailble to me, I would then want to return to blissful ignorance. I like my life the way it is.



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FlaminMathew1 wrote:
I wouldnt go to Cyph full stop! Why would i want to live in something that isnt real.

Of course, by being engrossed in an MMO, one could say you already are living part of your life in something that isn't real.



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Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

Would you want a mindwipe to forget ever being extracted (with happy, content memories in place of the old ones) and take the chance of waking up again?

That's an interesting point. The people who are awakened are the 1% that reject the Matrix so if they forget what has happened to them when reinserted wouldn't they start rejecting the Matrix again and the whole thing starts over again or would recruitment officers leave them alone because it's already failed once.

Then again if they did keep their memories of being awakened wouldn't the Machines see them as a threat to the system because they could tell other bluepills and cause havoc.




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Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

Let's say you decided that Redpill life was too dangerous, boring, cold, whatever, and went to the Cypherites for reinsertion.

Would you want a mindwipe to forget ever being extracted (with happy, content memories in place of the old ones) and take the chance of waking up again?

Or would you accept reinsertion and retain the knowledge of the true nature of the Matrix (without operative training, of course) so that you could never "re-awaken"?

Reinsertion is a fantasy.  Once you're aware, you're always aware.  Remember, Cypher never went back in...he died.


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It is canon that redpills can be reinserted.  An early Machine mission has you helping someone who wants to be plugged back into the Matrix.

 

Illyria




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Illyria22 wrote:

It is canon that redpills can be reinserted.  An early Machine mission has you helping someone who wants to be plugged back into the Matrix.

 

Illyria

Cypher: Welcome to the real world, huh baby.
Trinity: But you're out, Cypher. You can't go back.
Cypher: Oh no. That's what you think. They're going to reinsert my body. I go back to sleep, and when I wake up, I won't remember a God-*CENSORED*
thing. By the way, if you have anything terribly important to say to switch, I suggest you say it now.
Trinity: No, please don't.

It is not uncommon for some people to want to go back to the matrix.  This often stems from...

We've all been raised by television to believe that one day we'll all be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars -- but we won't. And we're learning slowly that fact.

Then they get...

And we're very, very pissed off.

Mainly, because there is no way back.

This is Cypher's story.  He was the guy that went nuts because he was too old to spring from his pod.  Cypher asked to go back, and he was killed instead.  This is how the cookie crumbles.  Now, what someone else wrote in some mission well...no comment.  But, you stick with that if it makes you happy. 
SMILEY

Message edited by RainKingX on 01/20/2007 11:53:51.


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RainKingX wrote:
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

Let's say you decided that Redpill life was too dangerous, boring, cold, whatever, and went to the Cypherites for reinsertion.

Would you want a mindwipe to forget ever being extracted (with happy, content memories in place of the old ones) and take the chance of waking up again?

Or would you accept reinsertion and retain the knowledge of the true nature of the Matrix (without operative training, of course) so that you could never "re-awaken"?

Reinsertion is a fantasy.  Once you're aware, you're always aware.  Remember, Cypher never went back in...he died.
He died because Tank grilled him, not because reinsertion is impossible. Whether he would've gone back if he had succeded (which really would be just having killed off Tank completely) is another question, but considering the Machines' possibilities (tampering with human memory and reinserting an already equipped body into a pod certainly doesn't exceed their capabilities) and obviously some equivalent to sense of honour (they stopped the attack on Zion, remember?), it's quite likely.


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This really isn't up for debate.  Aside from being a part of a mission that every Machinist goes through, some of the (redpill) Sleepwalkers were also reinserted into the Matrix. 

 

Illyria




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About the "going Cyph" thing... If you really wanted to be reinserted, you wouldn't join the Cypherites.  You'd just take the steps to be reinserted.  A Cypherite is someone who wants to be reinserted at some point but remains a redpill operative to fulfill duties and perceived obligations they have for themselves and/or others.


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Fractor, I would think the Machines would respect those wishes as it means a "happy sleeper", if you get my meaning.

Redalibi, I didn't mean you to join the Cyphs, just go to them for reinsertion.

Rainking, as always, you argue for the sake and pure pleasure of it. However, I find your argument here to be of the "tree falling in the forest" ilk. So, I'll just say that I choose to believe, in my fanboish way, that reinsertion is indeed, canon. SMILEY

 




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Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:
Rainking, as always, you argue for the sake and pure pleasure of it. However, I find your argument here to be of the "tree falling in the forest" ilk. So, I'll just say that I choose to believe, in my fanboish way, that reinsertion is indeed, canon. SMILEY

No, I generally reject premises that VERY VERY incorrect...your (and others) fanboish ways don't come into play.

Message edited by RainKingX on 01/20/2007 20:34:53.
 
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