I don't have any significant Morpheus loose ends as far as I know. Paul had the Assassin kill him: bang dead. The Morpheus I used was a simulacrum built by the General, based on compiled footage and memories of the original; he had enough of the original's spirit to fight off the General's control, but while closely related to the original Morpheus, he essentially developed into his own man. Program. Whatever.

Novalis II and Sarah Edmontons were side stories by other people that I did not take up myself, because I didn't feel like I had a sufficient understanding, from how they were initially presented by others, of how they could tie into the story of the Matrix as a whole. LESIG has done and may continue to do things with them, if they feel they can make good stories out of them.

Rarebit wrote:

Novalis II and Sarah Edmontons were side stories by other people that I did not take up myself, because I didn't feel like I had a sufficient understanding, from how they were initially presented by others, of how they could tie into the story of the Matrix as a whole. LESIG has done and may continue to do things with them, if they feel they can make good stories out of them.

 

Does the same go for Neo's remains?

CPT_Starschwar wrote:

Rarebit wrote:

Novalis II and Sarah Edmontons were side stories by other people that I did not take up myself, because I didn't feel like I had a sufficient understanding, from how they were initially presented by others, of how they could tie into the story of the Matrix as a whole. LESIG has done and may continue to do things with them, if they feel they can make good stories out of them.

 

Does the same go for Neo's remains?

That one should stay a mystery, and not be in the players hands.

I'm with Proc on this one, the only thing I'm failing to get out of this (its been annoying me all day no less) is how Wright was able to overwrite Mauser, a freeborn human.

The outline here suggests she backtracked through the Zion Mainframe and Broadcast Control but that still doesn't make sense. He was freeborn. And he wasn't part of the super Neo/Trinity genome project. He wasn't connected to any sort of program or machinary.

Yet Wright was still able to transfer her mind onto his? And jack-in wirelessly?

Heck, the only reason the freeborn Oligarchs could jack in was through the use of an android host. Something Wright had no idea about or access to, yet she was just able to do it with Mauser's body?

Apart from that, epic stuff and a lot of which I will personally take as my own canon. Would make an absolutely epic second movie trilogy. First film a prequel detailing the rise of the Oligarchs, the second picking the main points of MxO (ening with the appearence of the Oligarchs from the first film) then the third detailing the big finale/ending build up that would the return of Trinity, the destabilised System, her eventual return to the Source and the creation of the New Matrix.

As for Neo and Morpheus, Neo/First BIP was deleted along with Smith and Morpheus was shot dead. Simple as.

Thankfully, Rare's just explained the Mauser issue. It was a fault on his part.
http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/...578#36300540779

Given that it was a genuine error, I'm willing to accept an explanation that didn't involve jacks. Whether someone will try to explain it fully or not, I don't know. But I don't think it's too critical, not with all the other human-Machine-program interface plot points going around.

Phew, thank god thats semi-cleared up (lolelectricityandstuff).

Still, good concept but weakened by the mistake and the lack of closure/explaination we probably would have got from it. Just glad we've found out the way we have, where it can all be laid bare and made sense of without having to find out "in-character".

Rarebit wrote:

I don't have any significant Morpheus loose ends as far as I know. Paul had the Assassin kill him: bang dead. The Morpheus I used was a simulacrum built by the General, based on compiled footage and memories of the original; he had enough of the original's spirit to fight off the General's control, but while closely related to the original Morpheus, he essentially developed into his own man. Program. Whatever.

Hmm...so the email that went out to operativess before his death was what he was planning to do but the Assassin pulled the vent trick which he didn't expect causing his death..that sound about right?

*I'm still gonna say he is still around but just wanted to check*

Outlaw wrote:

Rarebit wrote:

I don't have any significant Morpheus loose ends as far as I know. Paul had the Assassin kill him: bang dead. The Morpheus I used was a simulacrum built by the General, based on compiled footage and memories of the original; he had enough of the original's spirit to fight off the General's control, but while closely related to the original Morpheus, he essentially developed into his own man. Program. Whatever.

Hmm...so the email that went out to operativess before his death was what he was planning to do but the Assassin pulled the vent trick which he didn't expect causing his death..that sound about right?

*I'm still gonna say he is still around but just wanted to check*

Anything he said in an event back then would have been done by the original LET, who often had their own plans. Novalis II was also their story.

CPT_Starschwar wrote:

Rarebit wrote:

Novalis II and Sarah Edmontons were side stories by other people that I did not take up myself, because I didn't feel like I had a sufficient understanding, from how they were initially presented by others, of how they could tie into the story of the Matrix as a whole. LESIG has done and may continue to do things with them, if they feel they can make good stories out of them.

 

Does the same go for Neo's remains?

Sort of, I suppose. Paul's story had Morpheus, before he was killed, laying a lot of stress on finding them, but I never saw an outline of any story that would come back to that. When players asked me about it in events I've run, if I had the characters reply at all, it was to say that Morpheus was crazy at that point (the Morpheus sim said this once, for instance), and also that the Machines simply recycled Neo's remains, since they had no other use for them (Pace has said this at least once in a very straightforward fashion--probably so straightforward that everyone assumed she was lying, which is just *so* unfair =p).

That is pretty much my own take on it though, because, according to my own line of thought, what use would the Machines have for a dead human body, other than as fodder for recycling? Even if Neo was a genetically engineered human, or hybrid human program, or whatever, in that case he was their creation, and they had any data they could conceivably have gotten from his dead body already on file. And I didn't want to bring Neo back in any form--saying the Machines had been able to preserve him in program form like they did with Trinity, for instance--both because the resolution of his battle with Smith was supposed to have been his sacrifice and cancellation, and because I felt that the story, while it revisited a lot of the themes and characters from the movies, should at least let a different character or characters take the lead role(s) this time around.

Rarebit wrote:

CPT_Starschwar wrote:

Rarebit wrote:

Novalis II and Sarah Edmontons were side stories by other people that I did not take up myself, because I didn't feel like I had a sufficient understanding, from how they were initially presented by others, of how they could tie into the story of the Matrix as a whole. LESIG has done and may continue to do things with them, if they feel they can make good stories out of them.

 

Does the same go for Neo's remains?

Sort of, I suppose. Paul's story had Morpheus, before he was killed, laying a lot of stress on finding them, but I never saw an outline of any story that would come back to that. When players asked me about it in events I've run, if I had the characters reply at all, it was to say that Morpheus was crazy at that point (the Morpheus sim said this once, for instance), and also that the Machines simply recycled Neo's remains, since they had no other use for them (Pace has said this at least once in a very straightforward fashion--probably so straightforward that everyone assumed she was lying, which is just *so* unfair =p).

That is pretty much my own take on it though, because, according to my own line of thought, what use would the Machines have for a dead human body, other than as fodder for recycling? Even if Neo was a genetically engineered human, or hybrid human program, or whatever, in that case he was their creation, and they had any data they could conceivably have gotten from his dead body already on file. And I didn't want to bring Neo back in any form--saying the Machines had been able to preserve him in program form like they did with Trinity, for instance--both because the resolution of his battle with Smith was supposed to have been his sacrifice and cancellation, and because I felt that the story, while it revisited a lot of the themes and characters from the movies, should at least let a different character or characters take the lead role(s) this time around.

 

Except, you know,

Sati: Will we ever see him again?

Oracle: I suspect so, one day.

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Morpheus: Why won't they give up his remains?! They say they havn't recycled them!

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Who knows, maybe the end of Chapter 14 could have had Neo (as a BIP mind you) come back to merge with Trinity in the source instead of a player?

Well, I suppose my own take on that Oracle comment would be a little more metaphysical--a lot more so than ways in which we've already had other developers bring him back, such as N30 Agents, various "frags," and the memorial in the Gracy Heights fight club.

Questions:

What happened to the Trainman?

What are the origins of the Oligarchy? They were thrown into the story, then they seem to be resolved from the setting we've known and loved for a long time, but where did they come from?

What happened with the broadcast signal from "Morpheus" saying that Neo was alive (if I remember correctly), and his purple-pants'd appearance in the Matrix? Is that someone else's idea, too? You said that

One more that might be beyond you completely: You said that Neo was truly dead, and that they recycled his body and everything. Well, how was Smith able to continue to exist (Annivesary Events) if Neo was dead?

There are a great amount of people that either weren't around or just were not informed that Rarebit wasn't too involved with the story in the Lith days. In essense we've had a few different lead storytellers. In the beginning, I'd guess it was Aether or whoever was in charge of the live event team. Of course that team was supposed to be working off of what Paul Chadwick wanted. Eventually it was all Paul Chadwick at the helm as the LET was phased out. Chadwick worked with Rarebit and then he moved on and it became Rarebit's story.

Over the years there are plenty of things that could be questioned or futher explored etc. I think a good deal of the "unfinished business" feeling from early storyline things is that they were never really followed up on or wrapped up. Many would assume that they were left that way so that Neo/Morpheus etc could be brought back later.

monkeymanx8 wrote:

Questions:

What happened to the Trainman?

What are the origins of the Oligarchy? They were thrown into the story, then they seem to be resolved from the setting we've known and loved for a long time, but where did they come from?

What happened with the broadcast signal from "Morpheus" saying that Neo was alive (if I remember correctly), and his purple-pants'd appearance in the Matrix? Is that someone else's idea, too? You said that

One more that might be beyond you completely: You said that Neo was truly dead, and that they recycled his body and everything. Well, how was Smith able to continue to exist (Annivesary Events) if Neo was dead?

Trainman was last shown entering his construct in an injured state, but in there he's God! Officially his status is unknown, but he could very plausibly still live.

The origin of the Oligarchy is in there you should read it. (It's good)

The broadcast signal was actually coming from within The Matrix and the simulacrum. I'm not aware of an explanation for purple pants though.

ZaneZavin wrote:

monkeymanx8 wrote:

Questions:

What happened to the Trainman?

What are the origins of the Oligarchy? They were thrown into the story, then they seem to be resolved from the setting we've known and loved for a long time, but where did they come from?

What happened with the broadcast signal from "Morpheus" saying that Neo was alive (if I remember correctly), and his purple-pants'd appearance in the Matrix? Is that someone else's idea, too? You said that

One more that might be beyond you completely: You said that Neo was truly dead, and that they recycled his body and everything. Well, how was Smith able to continue to exist (Annivesary Events) if Neo was dead?

Trainman was last shown entering his construct in an injured state, but in there he's God! Officially his status is unknown, but he could very plausibly still live.

The origin of the Oligarchy is in there you should read it. (It's good)

The broadcast signal was actually coming from within The Matrix and the simulacrum. I'm not aware of an explanation for purple pants though.

Thanks! The Oligarchy origins are extremely fascinating.