That method has been proven effective against rather a lot of diseases. 
I make no decisions for mankind, I make them for myself. 

A good doctor would try to save the patient instead of killing it to get rid of the disease.

If the only way to destroy a parasite is to kill the host then the host must be destroyed.

I'd rather Mankind continued to live which means a chance to live with the Machines as equals the same way that the Machines wanted to live with Humankind as equals.

Vinia wrote:

I'd rather Mankind continued to live which means a chance to live with the Machines as equals the same way that the Machines wanted to live with Humankind as equals.

I'm sorry, but that's not true at all. The Master / Slave, Watchman / Prisoner, Farmer / Cattle relationship does clearly show that the Machines do not think of us as equals and probably never will.

- DD

MetaLogic wrote:

A good doctor would try to save the patient instead of killing it to get rid of the disease.

GypsyJuggler wrote:

If the only way to destroy a parasite is to kill the host then the host must be destroyed.

Please pay attention. 

GoDGiVeR wrote:

Vinia wrote:

I'd rather Mankind continued to live which means a chance to live with the Machines as equals the same way that the Machines wanted to live with Humankind as equals.

I'm sorry, but that's not true at all. The Master / Slave, Watchman / Prisoner, Farmer / Cattle relationship does clearly show that the Machines do not think of us as equals and probably never will.

- DD

It's just that kind of attitude which almost guarantees Mankind's continued 'enslavement' as you put it.

Of course we're not equals.  From the moment the two races came to exist together they have only ever known a sub/dom relationship.  Human beings taught the Machines that we are not equals from the get-go.  They were our servants and laborers.  When they tried to be equal, we waged war.  Either the Machines continue to control or they will be controlled.  The cycle is vicious and could be endless.

As machinists, we are trying to impress upon the Machines that equality can be achieved.  However, it's like trying to referee a schoolyard fight between two bullies each seeking to keep their position as king of the mountain.  It isn't an easy job but you don't get anywhere by quitting, right?

Vinia wrote:

GoDGiVeR wrote:

Vinia wrote:

I'd rather Mankind continued to live which means a chance to live with the Machines as equals the same way that the Machines wanted to live with Humankind as equals.

I'm sorry, but that's not true at all. The Master / Slave, Watchman / Prisoner, Farmer / Cattle relationship does clearly show that the Machines do not think of us as equals and probably never will.

- DD

It's just that kind of attitude which almost guarantees Mankind's continued 'enslavement' as you put it.

It may very well be, but his analogy is the truth. And as I have stated before, some of us choose to take the truth as the authority, instead of the authority as truth.

Farmer/Cattle - The vast majority of the human race that we know of are grown, not born naturally.

Watchman/Prisoner - At this point in the ballgame, it keeps those that want out of the system in because of it's grudge with Zion, and shows no evidence of allowing them to leave without interference.

Master/Slave - It created it's little Cypherite social experiment when the avatar of Morpheus got out of line and forced minds out of it's system, and denied direct involvement behind it until it was found out. And while we're on the subject, it overwrote the mind of a redpill, and brainwashed the lie of reinsertion into his head.

All this is done as part of the Machine's system of control over us. I'll also note that there is STILL no evidence showing that playing nice with the Machine is any solution or way out of this "relationship" as a whole.

[...] referee [...].  It isn't an easy job but you don't get anywhere by quitting, right?

As machinists, we are trying to impress upon the Machines that equality can be achieved. 

Vinia wrote:

It's just that kind of attitude which almost guarantees Mankind's continued 'enslavement' as you put it.

All this is done as part of the Machine's system of control over us. I'll also note that there is STILL no evidence showing that playing nice with the Machine is any solution or way out of this "relationship" as a whole.

Pyraci wrote:

Vinia wrote:

It's just that kind of attitude which almost guarantees Mankind's continued 'enslavement' as you put it.

All this is done as part of the Machine's system of control over us. I'll also note that there is STILL no evidence showing that playing nice with the Machine is any solution or way out of this "relationship" as a whole.

You have evidence and its staring at you in the face as it were. Machinists. The Machines didn't really need us to work with them they could have continued their jobs without us. It would have been more difficult for them, they could have not decided to approach us, but they did. That shows some kind of trust, perhaps not a great deal but some all the same. They approached us to work with them and it is from that foundation that we Machinists try to build a more prosperous future for both species.

When has the word of a Machinist ever helped in swaying the agenda of the machine? Might I remind you of your attempt at ridding yourself of the Cypherites before the war and how well that went over?

Allow me to put you in your place. You are a foot solider. That is all. When there is a job that a program can not do or the system is low on resources you are the ones that get called to do it. You are not politicians, or negotiators, or leaders.  You are simply soldiers. Your word carries no weight in this war and any peace will not be brought on because of how the machine sees you. For now you are simply a needed accessory to help control and protect the system as its "war" has grown much larger then before the truce.

Pyraci wrote:

Vinia wrote:

It's just that kind of attitude which almost guarantees Mankind's continued 'enslavement' as you put it.

All this is done as part of the Machine's system of control over us. I'll also note that there is STILL no evidence showing that playing nice with the Machine is any solution or way out of this "relationship" as a whole.

You have evidence and its staring at you in the face as it were. Machinists. The Machines didn't really need us to work with them they could have continued their jobs without us. It would have been more difficult for them, they could have not decided to approach us, but they did. That shows some kind of trust, perhaps not a great deal but some all the same. They approached us to work with them and it is from that foundation that we Machinists try to build a more prosperous future for both species.