[7.2.5] The Cypherite controller and I came to a friendly agreement - Recursion - 5/17/07

**xenin** · 05/22/2007 04:13:22

Procurator wrote:

GamiSB wrote:
Iovai wrote:
The Cypherites do not break the truce *for* the Machines. We just have similar goals sometimes.

And just happen to be gettitng paid for every hijack, hack, and murder by the Machines.

Oh yeah? And where did you get that from? The Cypherites have only been paid this time. If they murder and commit other atrocities during the execution of the operation they've just been paid for, then we have a problem. At that point, the Machines will either realise the error of their ways, or I will have lost hope.

Now, now everyone let's keep calm, just to clarify i will quote what Pace said to Veil while sealing the deal from Mech Crit 7.2.5

Agent Pace: Excellent! Then we have a deal: you'll bolster your surveillance efforts in Zion, and we'll provide payment to the arranged account in exchange, at the established rate. I am glad that our meeting was so fruitful; you see, Veil, that we can be quite generous to those open to reason. We look forward to continued work with our old associates on the basis of this new...understanding.

Now tell me If I am wrong but to me Proc, that looks like that the Machines will keep paying the Cypherites gathering intelligence, notice however that they don't seem to mention about how they go about gathering this intel so long as they gather it, so I would say that, Proc, that you do have a problem.

**Procurator**

We don't know what the terms were. People stumbled into the very end of Pace's discussion with Veil, and could only catch the last sentence of it.

I know it doesn't look good - you think I'm happy that the Machines are using the Cypherites at all? It doesn't seem to have sunken in that they can't be trusted, and that Veil is a maniac. Even after she attacked Pace they want to give her the benefit of the doubt. They'll learn. Eventually...

**GamiSB**

True we may not have been able to hear the terms. However we did hear Pace's report to Gray and then a small debrief. It's safe to say after considering the characteristics of an Agent and the topic that since both didn't report them to one other and then to us that there are none.

**Illyria22**

I do not trust Veil at all.

Illyria

Skill

Illyria22 wrote:

I do not trust Veil at all.

Illyria

And?

**Illyria22**

'And' nothing. She's vindictive and violent, willing to kill in the real. She wants Zion destroyed. And if it turns out that redpills really can't be reinserted, she will probably lose what little sanity she has.

Things were much safer when Cryptos was leading the Cypherites.

Illyria

**Neoteny**

Illyria22 wrote:

'And' nothing. She's vindictive and violent, willing to kill in the real. She wants Zion destroyed. And if it turns out that redpills really can't be reinserted, she will probably lose what little sanity she has.
Things were much safer when Cryptos was leading the Cypherites.

Illyria

Things were much safer when there were no Cypherites.

**NightTrace**

Im still a proponent of the max execution of both splinter groups.

Haigen

Awww.

**Fen**

Haigen wrote:

Awww.

Hey, we can be quite forgiving of a cute lil' thing like you. Just kick the mask, join the Machines properly, and fight to uphold the Truce... then there'll be no need for you to be executed.

::slides Haigen an application::

**Coro** · 05/27/2007 14:46:45

xenin wrote:

Procurator wrote:
GamiSB wrote:
Iovai wrote:
The Cypherites do not break the truce *for* the Machines. We just have similar goals sometimes.

And just happen to be gettitng paid for every hijack, hack, and murder by the Machines.

Oh yeah? And where did you get that from? The Cypherites have only been paid this time. If they murder and commit other atrocities during the execution of the operation they've just been paid for, then we have a problem. At that point, the Machines will either realise the error of their ways, or I will have lost hope.

Now, now everyone let's keep calm, just to clarify i will quote what Pace said to Veil while sealing the deal from Mech Crit 7.2.5
Agent Pace: Excellent! Then we have a deal: you'll bolster your surveillance efforts in Zion, and we'll provide payment to the arranged account in exchange, at the established rate. I am glad that our meeting was so fruitful; you see, Veil, that we can be quite generous to those open to reason. We look forward to continued work with our old associates on the basis of this new...understanding.
Now tell me If I am wrong but to me Proc, that looks like that the Machines will keep paying the Cypherites gathering intelligence, notice however that they don't seem to mention about how they go about gathering this intel so long as they gather it, so I would say that, Proc, that you do have a problem.

At the risk of adding further fuel to the fire:

Agent Pace uses the term, " the established rate".

Procurator is ascertaining that this matter is a "one-off" and I know that xenin has already highlighted the inference that the arrangement could continue. But could Pace's words not also suggest that this is not a wholly new situation?

As mentioned, the whole conversation is not heard and so we can only specualte on what was discussed earlier. But, if this is the first occasion that such cooperation has been sought and obtained, where would be establishment to which Pace refers?

Why not use, "the agreed rate" or "proposed rate"?

May be I am getting tied up on semantics.... I sorely hope so. I do not envy Proc's position in attempting to defend the motives of the Machines.

::EDIT:: Spelling mistakes.