Neoteny wrote:

((Give me a break. I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile. Get over yourselves.))

((No one said you don't deserve better for your considerable efforts. Maybe you should adding your voice to ours, instead of telling us to shut up. In any case, drop the holier-than-thou attitude, Neoteny. Or take your own advice about tasks and rewards.))

((Here's my problem.

You only care because it's you. You only care because you feel that you were wronged. You didn't get the recognition you deserved.

This has happened before, there have been others who have not gotten recognition, or have received less than they have earned, yet there was no public outcry.

You waited until now to say anything because only now are you are affected by the situation.

Don't feed me a line and tell me that we should all be in this claiming that we deserve more, because if that's how you felt, you would have started this motion long ago.

So what you're really saying is that you feel that you deserve more.

Which brings me back to my point - get over yourselves.

Let it be known that I never said shut up, I just said get over yourselves. If you can get over yourselves, you could turn this into a real issue, in a real area of the forums, instead of an out-of-place, out-of-character discussion in the Live Events section, and perhaps get it changed so that we, that is, everyone who has worked their butt off in storyline-related Live and LESIG Events can achieve greater recognition and reward in the future. 

Thank you.))

((oh please if you going to spit out lines like "I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile." and then try and lecture us on getting over ourselves just stop. This is actully the second time something like this as happend and the second time its happend to our faction. Stelle awhile back was rewarded something but nothing ever said publicy for his work and EPN continues to be the only org this happens to. Did we mention it then? No we thought it was just an oversight and would be corrected next time. Guess what it wasn't so now we're saying something. Any time a Machine event comes and goes you see a list of everyone that helped. Whats stoping that from being in the EPN post? Now what I want to know is how on earth you could possibly know how I feel or have felt.

As for only seeing it now yeah your right it is only after experenceing the problem that we started this but isn't that how most problems are fixed? No Machinest gave a rats *CENSORED* on recursion when EPN was LOless but now you cant shut them up about it sence they are now affected by it.))

Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

((Give me a break. I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile. Get over yourselves.))

((No one said you don't deserve better for your considerable efforts. Maybe you should adding your voice to ours, instead of telling us to shut up. In any case, drop the holier-than-thou attitude, Neoteny. Or take your own advice about tasks and rewards.))

((Here's my problem.

You only care because it's you. You only care because you feel that you were wronged. You didn't get the recognition you deserved.

This has happened before, there have been others who have not gotten recognition, or have received less than they have earned, yet there was no public outcry.

You waited until now to say anything because only now are you are affected by the situation.

Don't feed me a line and tell me that we should all be in this claiming that we deserve more, because if that's how you felt, you would have started this motion long ago.

So what you're really saying is that you feel that you deserve more.

Which brings me back to my point - get over yourselves.

Let it be known that I never said shut up, I just said get over yourselves. If you can get over yourselves, you could turn this into a real issue, in a real area of the forums, instead of an out-of-place, out-of-character discussion in the Live Events section, and perhaps get it changed so that we, that is, everyone who has worked their butt off in storyline-related Live and LESIG Events can achieve greater recognition and reward in the future. 

Thank you.))

((You know what? I am not going to argue with you about this, Neoteny, except to say (again) get the **** off your high horse. I know you've done as much as anyone for this community, but da*n, man. How about you get over yourself? 

If you would read my IC post in its entirety, you would understand that I don't care about the rewards. The thrill of being part of the story is enough for me. Somebody wants to give me something, fine, I'll take it 'cause it's valuable and appreciated. But that's not why I'm playing this game.

What I was more concerned about was a couple of weeks worth of work done by my fac mates, all for the purpose of leading us to an absolutely worthless clue. No resolution, no end game, no story interaction at all. Just the initials "JM". W,T,F are we supposed to do with that? It was just a really big let-down for all of us. And the way some of the LO's are reacting to this whole thing is. . .well. . .insulting.))

Neoteny wrote:

Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

((Give me a break. I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile. Get over yourselves.))

((No one said you don't deserve better for your considerable efforts. Maybe you should adding your voice to ours, instead of telling us to shut up. In any case, drop the holier-than-thou attitude, Neoteny. Or take your own advice about tasks and rewards.))

((Here's my problem.

You only care because it's you. You only care because you feel that you were wronged. You didn't get the recognition you deserved.

This has happened before, there have been others who have not gotten recognition, or have received less than they have earned, yet there was no public outcry.

You waited until now to say anything because only now are you are affected by the situation.

Don't feed me a line and tell me that we should all be in this claiming that we deserve more, because if that's how you felt, you would have started this motion long ago.

So what you're really saying is that you feel that you deserve more.

Which brings me back to my point - get over yourselves.

Let it be known that I never said shut up, I just said get over yourselves. If you can get over yourselves, you could turn this into a real issue, in a real area of the forums, instead of an out-of-place, out-of-character discussion in the Live Events section, and perhaps get it changed so that we, that is, everyone who has worked their butt off in storyline-related Live and LESIG Events can achieve greater recognition and reward in the future. 

Thank you.))

((You know what? I am not going to argue with you about this, Neoteny, except to say (again) get the **** off your high horse. I know you've done as much as anyone for this community, but da*n, man. How about you get over yourself? 

If you would read my IC post in its entirety, you would understand that I don't care about the rewards. The thrill of being part of the story is enough for me. Somebody wants to give me something, fine, I'll take it 'cause it's valuable and appreciated. But that's not why I'm playing this game.

What I was more concerned about was a couple of weeks worth of work done by my fac mates, all for the purpose of leading us to an absolutely worthless clue. No resolution, no end game, no story interaction at all. Just the initials "JM". W,T,F are we supposed to do with that? It was just a really big let-down for all of us. And the way some of the LO's are reacting to this whole thing is. . .well. . .insulting.))

((...It's a clue to a continuing investigation. I don't see what you're angry about. I've been there and done that, myself. It is frustrating, and it is a pain in the *CENSORED*, but the solution is always out there to be found.

As for the headlamp quip, I will concede that that was a headstrong remark.

I suppose that was the natural "Don't *CENSORED* to me" defense kicking in, much like a grumpy old man yelling at the kids who live right next to the school griping about the long walk, when he used to have to walk uphill both ways in eight feet of snow to get there.

I must've been in *CENSORED* mode or something (mostly I think I read this in a hurry, and thought you were pissed off at the reward), but upon much reflection and re-reading, yeah, you have a valid point in requesting recognition for what you've done. I'm not too big to admit that.

It should be known, however, that the problem will only end if we all see it as a problem, and raise the issue at every occurrance. I guess that's the point I was trying to make earlier, though it was laced with hostility and italicized words.))

((oh please if you going to spit out lines like "I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile." and then try and lecture us on getting over ourselves just stop. This is actully the second time something like this as happend and the second time its happend to our faction. Stelle awhile back was rewarded something but nothing ever said publicy for his work and EPN continues to be the only org this happens to. Did we mention it then? No we thought it was just an oversight and would be corrected next time. Guess what it wasn't so now we're saying something. Any time a Machine event comes and goes you see a list of everyone that helped. Whats stoping that from being in the EPN post? Now what I want to know is how on earth you could possibly know how I feel or have felt.

As for only seeing it now yeah your right it is only after experenceing the problem that we started this but isn't that how most problems are fixed? No Machinest gave a rats *CENSORED* on recursion when EPN was LOless but now you cant shut them up about it sence they are now affected by it.))

Neoteny wrote:

Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

((Give me a break. I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile. Get over yourselves.))

((No one said you don't deserve better for your considerable efforts. Maybe you should adding your voice to ours, instead of telling us to shut up. In any case, drop the holier-than-thou attitude, Neoteny. Or take your own advice about tasks and rewards.))

((Here's my problem.

You only care because it's you. You only care because you feel that you were wronged. You didn't get the recognition you deserved.

This has happened before, there have been others who have not gotten recognition, or have received less than they have earned, yet there was no public outcry.

You waited until now to say anything because only now are you are affected by the situation.

Don't feed me a line and tell me that we should all be in this claiming that we deserve more, because if that's how you felt, you would have started this motion long ago.

So what you're really saying is that you feel that you deserve more.

Which brings me back to my point - get over yourselves.

Let it be known that I never said shut up, I just said get over yourselves. If you can get over yourselves, you could turn this into a real issue, in a real area of the forums, instead of an out-of-place, out-of-character discussion in the Live Events section, and perhaps get it changed so that we, that is, everyone who has worked their butt off in storyline-related Live and LESIG Events can achieve greater recognition and reward in the future. 

Thank you.))

((You know what? I am not going to argue with you about this, Neoteny, except to say (again) get the **** off your high horse. I know you've done as much as anyone for this community, but da*n, man. How about you get over yourself? 

If you would read my IC post in its entirety, you would understand that I don't care about the rewards. The thrill of being part of the story is enough for me. Somebody wants to give me something, fine, I'll take it 'cause it's valuable and appreciated. But that's not why I'm playing this game.

What I was more concerned about was a couple of weeks worth of work done by my fac mates, all for the purpose of leading us to an absolutely worthless clue. No resolution, no end game, no story interaction at all. Just the initials "JM". W,T,F are we supposed to do with that? It was just a really big let-down for all of us. And the way some of the LO's are reacting to this whole thing is. . .well. . .insulting.))

Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

((Give me a break. I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile. Get over yourselves.))

((No one said you don't deserve better for your considerable efforts. Maybe you should adding your voice to ours, instead of telling us to shut up. In any case, drop the holier-than-thou attitude, Neoteny. Or take your own advice about tasks and rewards.))

((Here's my problem.

You only care because it's you. You only care because you feel that you were wronged. You didn't get the recognition you deserved.

This has happened before, there have been others who have not gotten recognition, or have received less than they have earned, yet there was no public outcry.

You waited until now to say anything because only now are you are affected by the situation.

Don't feed me a line and tell me that we should all be in this claiming that we deserve more, because if that's how you felt, you would have started this motion long ago.

So what you're really saying is that you feel that you deserve more.

Which brings me back to my point - get over yourselves.

Let it be known that I never said shut up, I just said get over yourselves. If you can get over yourselves, you could turn this into a real issue, in a real area of the forums, instead of an out-of-place, out-of-character discussion in the Live Events section, and perhaps get it changed so that we, that is, everyone who has worked their butt off in storyline-related Live and LESIG Events can achieve greater recognition and reward in the future. 

Thank you.))

((You know what? I am not going to argue with you about this, Neoteny, except to say (again) get the **** off your high horse. I know you've done as much as anyone for this community, but da*n, man. How about you get over yourself? 

If you would read my IC post in its entirety, you would understand that I don't care about the rewards. The thrill of being part of the story is enough for me. Somebody wants to give me something, fine, I'll take it 'cause it's valuable and appreciated. But that's not why I'm playing this game.

What I was more concerned about was a couple of weeks worth of work done by my fac mates, all for the purpose of leading us to an absolutely worthless clue. No resolution, no end game, no story interaction at all. Just the initials "JM". W,T,F are we supposed to do with that? It was just a really big let-down for all of us. And the way some of the LO's are reacting to this whole thing is. . .well. . .insulting.))

In a sense, I had to agree with Neoteny just only on that first day we met up with Dromeus, in which you made a competition out of something we worked together on, i.e. "We got the most keys, so therefore, we win" line you just said, even though you didn't mean to make a competition out of this tiny little task. Some people are wondering why the EPN faction didn't get as much credit that they thought IMHO, it's just because there were a few instances of in-direct gloating, not to mention Gami had to bite off Havocide's head for not getting what the hell Gami wanted (i.e. We weren't able to get the customer's info from TengFei, and we had to settle for the order form), not to mention that Gami blamed Havocide for Kadar's death because Havocide had RL issues to take care of (something that I similarly had to do when it came to capturing Haigen, and this recent event), and lastly, constant communications problems.

I'm not taking sides on this argument at all, but it doesn't mean that either side is "Mr./Ms. Perfect." All I've seen is "This is so and so's fault that things never went the way we planned" and one party rubbing it in the other's faces. This is one reason why I never bother with the debates nor making IC posts at all.

((Did all of this actually have to be here in the LE thread?  You guys have meetings don't you?  Maybe you should setup a meeting with your Liason's so you can get things smoothed out instead of filling the LE threads with this stuff.  Maybe have a meeting with only Faction Leaders in your Org Area so there is less spam and more cohesive conversations.  Yelling at eachother on the LE threads probably won't change anything and just ruins the threads for others.))

You'll get recognition when you get results.

((oh please if you going to spit out lines like "I did eight months of riddles and got a headlamp, the same one that multiple people got for racing an exile." and then try and lecture us on getting over ourselves just stop. This is actully the second time something like this as happend and the second time its happend to our faction. Stelle awhile back was rewarded something but nothing ever said publicy for his work and EPN continues to be the only org this happens to. Did we mention it then? No we thought it was just an oversight and would be corrected next time. Guess what it wasn't so now we're saying something. Any time a Machine event comes and goes you see a list of everyone that helped. Whats stoping that from being in the EPN post? Now what I want to know is how on earth you could possibly know how I feel or have felt.

As for only seeing it now yeah your right it is only after experenceing the problem that we started this but isn't that how most problems are fixed? No Machinest gave a rats *CENSORED* on recursion when EPN was LOless but now you cant shut them up about it sence they are now affected by it.))