Sphairo wrote:

Hanzyl and Gretyl wrote:

Last time i was on syntax i decided i would never return. To many times i have been gunned down in large crowds to have not a single person come to my aid. Then the person who killed me stands there in the crowd till their flag times out with nothing ever happening. And i'm zion there so it's not like there is a shortage of help.
This part is true, zion do tend to only flag up if they have a large group helping them out.. when the tide turns, they give up. There's only a handfull who are the opposite, but most have converted to either machine or merovingian!
No arguement there. I'm still not going to the server. If i want to play on a PVE server i'll play my 50 thats on Recursion.
Okay ;)

Hunting is fun Marias. It's one of the reasons i prefer the vector atmosphere because you cannot be an *CENSORED* and then hide. Your actions however minuscule you think they are weight in on peoples opinions of you and because your pvp hot all the time this can adversely affect your game time.
What are you talking about? You can easily kill someone then either go into the loading area/jump hardlines and districts and/or go into sneak. 
You can still be found. If not today then tomorow. Half my buddy list is people i want to kill. I login and see that they are online and then decide if i want to hunt them. Chances of me ever doing that on a PVE are greatly diminished. Even you would have to agree on that.
Not really.

As for jumpers some people will jump, some won't I don't think it's a server thing but an individual thing. The formula is pretty funny though. I was on the QA server and although my memory isn't the greatest i don't recall anyone owning anything. The server war didn't materialize how most wanted as some wouldn't flip orgs how it was discussed. So while there was some people who joined server factions there were many who didn't.
It's more so a server wide thing, in my experiance FAR more players on vector have jumped and ran than on Syntax.  Yes, Syntax dealt there fair share of carnage on QA, as did the other servers, and some individuals who decided to stick with their org, but this was ONLY a few.
Alright that is your opinion. I won't argue with any of that as it won't get us anywhere.
It's more than opinion, ask anyone and they will tell you the same thing.

Vector you can evaluate prior fights and tweak loads just as well as any server. While your correct that staying alive is important on vector which is why most Coder loadouts or task orientated load outs have to have a level of survivability to them. For example my Coder loadout has Master Shadow in it. In the end this just adds to the experience and goes back to that important thing i mentioned before.... how people perceive you and how you are perceived. Granted some will gun for you all the time, others aren't so barbaric about it. And if someone does get you while coding well it just gives you someone to hunt now or at least someone you won't be so nice to down the road. Karma so to speak.
Just because your on a hostile server does not mean you need to have MASTER SHADOW in your load. Think you need to PVP a little more and learn the ropes. ^.^
I have been playing the game since launch. I know the ropes. I said my CODER loadout has MASTER SHADOW. Perhaps you should read before you make an idiotic statement. It's the easiest loadout you can do to stay safe till you can upload your coded items should the *CENSORED* hit the fan. When i'm coding i'm not attempting to PVP btw. Granted you don't have to have master shadow but i do and i have yet to die coding with it loaded.
Go and code somewhere safe, out of view, that's what alot of people do when levelling up on vector.


PVP on PVE servers is like an event. You get ready for it and go to it. PVP on vector is a lifestyle, it can happen anytime. Thats one reason why I prefer vector.
Wrong.  You should spend a little bit more time on Syntax (alot more, in fact) before you go making those kind of assumptions. PVP on Syntax happens ANY time, all you need is one to flag, then more join in.. before you know it, there's an entire war going on. Vector consists of lots of mini-spontaneous fights that don't really last that long.
I'm not spending another second on Syntax. The server just isn't for me and as mentioned above if i want a PVE atmosphere i'll play my 50 on recursion. Anytime and all you need is one to flag is not really anytime. I flagged, get gunned down and wait till the other persons flag turns off. Where is the pvp there? You even admit it in point one above that zion will only flag if they have a large group. For now i'll stay on Vector-hostile where i don't have to put up with Blue attacks, rezzes, buffs and the like.
Buffs, rezzes, and snipes will still happen on all servers, don't try to fob the 'blue card' off on me, because it doesn't wash.  A rez takes 4 secs to cast, buffs can be given anytime, and snipes will usually always happen when you LEAST EXPECT.  I'll rephrase my original statement, the majority of the time it is zion, but really, EVERY org likes to gank.   There is MUCH better, bigger PVP with players of HIGHER calliber on syntax than vector, hand's down.

The above is for Sphairo.

And Tiango thanks for the advice on the PVP faction but I won't be on syntax anymore. I'll pursue my activities on Vector or if needed for some reason Recursion.

Hanzyl and Gretyl wrote:

Sphairo wrote:

Hanzyl and Gretyl wrote:

Last time i was on syntax i decided i would never return. To many times i have been gunned down in large crowds to have not a single person come to my aid. Then the person who killed me stands there in the crowd till their flag times out with nothing ever happening. And i'm zion there so it's not like there is a shortage of help.
This part is true, zion do tend to only flag up if they have a large group helping them out.. when the tide turns, they give up. There's only a handfull who are the opposite, but most have converted to either machine or merovingian!
No arguement there. I'm still not going to the server. If i want to play on a PVE server i'll play my 50 thats on Recursion.
Okay

Hunting is fun Marias. It's one of the reasons i prefer the vector atmosphere because you cannot be an *CENSORED* and then hide. Your actions however minuscule you think they are weight in on peoples opinions of you and because your pvp hot all the time this can adversely affect your game time.
What are you talking about? You can easily kill someone then either go into the loading area/jump hardlines and districts and/or go into sneak. 
You can still be found. If not today then tomorow. Half my buddy list is people i want to kill. I login and see that they are online and then decide if i want to hunt them. Chances of me ever doing that on a PVE are greatly diminished. Even you would have to agree on that.
Not really.

As for jumpers some people will jump, some won't I don't think it's a server thing but an individual thing. The formula is pretty funny though. I was on the QA server and although my memory isn't the greatest i don't recall anyone owning anything. The server war didn't materialize how most wanted as some wouldn't flip orgs how it was discussed. So while there was some people who joined server factions there were many who didn't.
It's more so a server wide thing, in my experiance FAR more players on vector have jumped and ran than on Syntax.  Yes, Syntax dealt there fair share of carnage on QA, as did the other servers, and some individuals who decided to stick with their org, but this was ONLY a few.
Alright that is your opinion. I won't argue with any of that as it won't get us anywhere.
It's more than opinion, ask anyone and they will tell you the same thing.

Vector you can evaluate prior fights and tweak loads just as well as any server. While your correct that staying alive is important on vector which is why most Coder loadouts or task orientated load outs have to have a level of survivability to them. For example my Coder loadout has Master Shadow in it. In the end this just adds to the experience and goes back to that important thing i mentioned before.... how people perceive you and how you are perceived. Granted some will gun for you all the time, others aren't so barbaric about it. And if someone does get you while coding well it just gives you someone to hunt now or at least someone you won't be so nice to down the road. Karma so to speak.
Just because your on a hostile server does not mean you need to have MASTER SHADOW in your load. Think you need to PVP a little more and learn the ropes. ^.^
I have been playing the game since launch. I know the ropes. I said my CODER loadout has MASTER SHADOW. Perhaps you should read before you make an idiotic statement. It's the easiest loadout you can do to stay safe till you can upload your coded items should the *CENSORED* hit the fan. When i'm coding i'm not attempting to PVP btw. Granted you don't have to have master shadow but i do and i have yet to die coding with it loaded.
Go and code somewhere safe, out of view, that's what alot of people do when levelling up on vector.


PVP on PVE servers is like an event. You get ready for it and go to it. PVP on vector is a lifestyle, it can happen anytime. Thats one reason why I prefer vector.
Wrong.  You should spend a little bit more time on Syntax (alot more, in fact) before you go making those kind of assumptions. PVP on Syntax happens ANY time, all you need is one to flag, then more join in.. before you know it, there's an entire war going on. Vector consists of lots of mini-spontaneous fights that don't really last that long.
I'm not spending another second on Syntax. The server just isn't for me and as mentioned above if i want a PVE atmosphere i'll play my 50 on recursion. Anytime and all you need is one to flag is not really anytime. I flagged, get gunned down and wait till the other persons flag turns off. Where is the pvp there? You even admit it in point one above that zion will only flag if they have a large group. For now i'll stay on Vector-hostile where i don't have to put up with Blue attacks, rezzes, buffs and the like.
Buffs, rezzes, and snipes will still happen on all servers, don't try to fob the 'blue card' off on me, because it doesn't wash.  A rez takes 4 secs to cast, buffs can be given anytime, and snipes will usually always happen when you LEAST EXPECT.  I'll rephrase my original statement, the majority of the time it is zion, but really, EVERY org likes to gank.   There is MUCH better, bigger PVP with players of HIGHER calliber on syntax than vector, hand's down.

The above is for Sphairo.

And Tiango thanks for the advice on the PVP faction but I won't be on syntax anymore. I'll pursue my activities on Vector or if needed for some reason Recursion.

lol, think I struck a nerve with this person. ^^

You can't say that one server would beat another, There are good players on all 3 servers that doesn't differ, also you can't say that just because 1 syntax player won the Vector Olympics that Syntax is the best server, because all it would take is a player to get a few consecutive state special hits and that player would be out, it's the whole point of randomness of the combat system.

Syntax PvP is usually large wars
Vector PvP is usually skirmishes

Vector > Syntax IMO because Vector has a more realistic combat feel to it.

I'm not crying at all, Just having an open debate. I'm sorry if your not used to that ROLLTIDE or Sphairo. Just don't take it personally as it's not meant to be personal.
You were crying, started swearing and getting all aggressive.

As for coding i do code someplace safe. The Master Shadow is just in case because an area that is safe may not remain safe.
lol

I never made a comment about carebears. I just mentioned the blue attacks and such which is a valid point given the topic is Server PvP Differences and that is a big difference between the two servers. As for who is the better PvP server thats not what the topic is about so you can debate it elsewhere.
See that's where your wrong, because it does not matter if it's a hostile server or not, the buffs, snipes, rezzes and all that kind of thing will still occurr. More so on vector in my PVP experiance, there've been alot more runners/HJ/Pilling/Hardlining away etc!

I agree to an extent that on all servers every org gets there time to gank or zerg.
Of course, glad you got something right! :)

Denary wrote:

You can't say that one server would beat another, There are good players on all 3 servers that doesn't differ, also you can't say that just because 1 syntax player won the Vector Olympics that Syntax is the best server, because all it would take is a player to get a few consecutive state special hits and that player would be out, it's the whole point of randomness of the combat system.

Syntax PvP is usually large wars
Vector PvP is usually skirmishes

Vector > Syntax IMO because Vector has a more realistic combat feel to it.

Only when all 15 people that play on vector are logged in.

Hanzyl and Gretyl wrote:

I'm not crying at all, Just having an open debate. I'm sorry if your not used to that ROLLTIDE or Sphairo. Just don't take it personally as it's not meant to be personal.
You were crying, started swearing and getting all aggressive.
Whatever Aggression you claim was there doesn't exist, all swearing was either used in a phrase to identify something and the other was a saying.

As for coding i do code someplace safe. The Master Shadow is just in case because an area that is safe may not remain safe.
lol
The response of someone who doesn't know how to respond?

I never made a comment about carebears. I just mentioned the blue attacks and such which is a valid point given the topic is Server PvP Differences and that is a big difference between the two servers. As for who is the better PvP server thats not what the topic is about so you can debate it elsewhere.
See that's where your wrong, because it does not matter if it's a hostile server or not, the buffs, snipes, rezzes and all that kind of thing will still occurr. More so on vector in my PVP experiance, there've been alot more runners/HJ/Pilling/Hardlining away etc!
Generally thats true, numbers rarely come so easily on Vector, most people would be suicidal to take on a large zerg alone which is why you get more, while Syntax usually has numbers but you just wait for someone to flag, that is the difference, you have the numbers and when a fight starts more people begin to fight, but thats team combat, one thing I can't stand because eventually you'll have number differences and as you know, winning in MxO is just a case of who has the most numbers.

I agree to an extent that on all servers every org gets there time to gank or zerg.
Of course, glad you got something right!

Sphairo wrote:

Hanzyl and Gretyl wrote:

I'm not crying at all, Just having an open debate. I'm sorry if your not used to that ROLLTIDE or Sphairo. Just don't take it personally as it's not meant to be personal.
You were crying, started swearing and getting all aggressive.
Whatever Aggression you claim was there doesn't exist, all swearing was either used in a phrase to identify something and the other was a saying.
You can tell by the way he typed in the post a few quotes up from here, he *was* getting aggressive just because someone challenged his view of things. I'm all for debates and discussions but not when someone is going to start using profanity to try and 'counter-act'  an arguement. Doesn't wash, sadly.


As for coding i do code someplace safe. The Master Shadow is just in case because an area that is safe may not remain safe.
lol
The response of someone who doesn't know how to respond?
What's the point in responding to it anyway? There's nothing about 'server PVP differances, but rather, what loadout your using.


I never made a comment about carebears. I just mentioned the blue attacks and such which is a valid point given the topic is Server PvP Differences and that is a big difference between the two servers. As for who is the better PvP server thats not what the topic is about so you can debate it elsewhere.
See that's where your wrong, because it does not matter if it's a hostile server or not, the buffs, snipes, rezzes and all that kind of thing will still occurr. More so on vector in my PVP experiance, there've been alot more runners/HJ/Pilling/Hardlining away etc!
Generally thats true, numbers rarely come so easily on Vector, most people would be suicidal to take on a large zerg alone which is why you get more, while Syntax usually has numbers but you just wait for someone to flag, that is the difference, you have the numbers and when a fight starts more people begin to fight, but thats team combat, one thing I can't stand because eventually you'll have number differences and as you know, winning in MxO is just a case of who has the most numbers.

Not to be rude but, you don't PVP on syntax so how would you know, Denary? Honestly, if your not on Syntax PVPing all the time like me, ROLLTIDE and other people from Syntax in this thread, your opinion on the matter isn't really that viable.   I've PVP'd also, long enough to know that you do not nessecarily need a zerg or numbers to get a CQ. Sure, they help, and if the said group (with lots on there side) load up heals and buffs and trauma, your not going to be as successfull.. but i'd rather fight the good fight and go down taking one or two with me.

I agree to an extent that on all servers every org gets there time to gank or zerg.
Of course, glad you got something right!

Sphairo wrote:

Hanzyl and Gretyl wrote:

Sphairo wrote:

Hanzyl and Gretyl wrote:

Last time i was on syntax i decided i would never return. To many times i have been gunned down in large crowds to have not a single person come to my aid. Then the person who killed me stands there in the crowd till their flag times out with nothing ever happening. And i'm zion there so it's not like there is a shortage of help.
This part is true, zion do tend to only flag up if they have a large group helping them out.. when the tide turns, they give up. There's only a handfull who are the opposite, but most have converted to either machine or merovingian!
No arguement there. I'm still not going to the server. If i want to play on a PVE server i'll play my 50 thats on Recursion.
Okay " />

Hunting is fun Marias. It's one of the reasons i prefer the vector atmosphere because you cannot be an *CENSORED* and then hide. Your actions however minuscule you think they are weight in on peoples opinions of you and because your pvp hot all the time this can adversely affect your game time.
What are you talking about? You can easily kill someone then either go into the loading area/jump hardlines and districts and/or go into sneak. 
You can still be found. If not today then tomorow. Half my buddy list is people i want to kill. I login and see that they are online and then decide if i want to hunt them. Chances of me ever doing that on a PVE are greatly diminished. Even you would have to agree on that.
Not really.

As for jumpers some people will jump, some won't I don't think it's a server thing but an individual thing. The formula is pretty funny though. I was on the QA server and although my memory isn't the greatest i don't recall anyone owning anything. The server war didn't materialize how most wanted as some wouldn't flip orgs how it was discussed. So while there was some people who joined server factions there were many who didn't.
It's more so a server wide thing, in my experiance FAR more players on vector have jumped and ran than on Syntax.  Yes, Syntax dealt there fair share of carnage on QA, as did the other servers, and some individuals who decided to stick with their org, but this was ONLY a few.
Alright that is your opinion. I won't argue with any of that as it won't get us anywhere.
It's more than opinion, ask anyone and they will tell you the same thing.

Vector you can evaluate prior fights and tweak loads just as well as any server. While your correct that staying alive is important on vector which is why most Coder loadouts or task orientated load outs have to have a level of survivability to them. For example my Coder loadout has Master Shadow in it. In the end this just adds to the experience and goes back to that important thing i mentioned before.... how people perceive you and how you are perceived. Granted some will gun for you all the time, others aren't so barbaric about it. And if someone does get you while coding well it just gives you someone to hunt now or at least someone you won't be so nice to down the road. Karma so to speak.
Just because your on a hostile server does not mean you need to have MASTER SHADOW in your load. Think you need to PVP a little more and learn the ropes. ^.^
I have been playing the game since launch. I know the ropes. I said my CODER loadout has MASTER SHADOW. Perhaps you should read before you make an idiotic statement. It's the easiest loadout you can do to stay safe till you can upload your coded items should the *CENSORED* hit the fan. When i'm coding i'm not attempting to PVP btw. Granted you don't have to have master shadow but i do and i have yet to die coding with it loaded.
Go and code somewhere safe, out of view, that's what alot of people do when levelling up on vector.


PVP on PVE servers is like an event. You get ready for it and go to it. PVP on vector is a lifestyle, it can happen anytime. Thats one reason why I prefer vector.
Wrong.  You should spend a little bit more time on Syntax (alot more, in fact) before you go making those kind of assumptions. PVP on Syntax happens ANY time, all you need is one to flag, then more join in.. before you know it, there's an entire war going on. Vector consists of lots of mini-spontaneous fights that don't really last that long.
I'm not spending another second on Syntax. The server just isn't for me and as mentioned above if i want a PVE atmosphere i'll play my 50 on recursion. Anytime and all you need is one to flag is not really anytime. I flagged, get gunned down and wait till the other persons flag turns off. Where is the pvp there? You even admit it in point one above that zion will only flag if they have a large group. For now i'll stay on Vector-hostile where i don't have to put up with Blue attacks, rezzes, buffs and the like.
Buffs, rezzes, and snipes will still happen on all servers, don't try to fob the 'blue card' off on me, because it doesn't wash.  A rez takes 4 secs to cast, buffs can be given anytime, and snipes will usually always happen when you LEAST EXPECT.  I'll rephrase my original statement, the majority of the time it is zion, but really, EVERY org likes to gank.   There is MUCH better, bigger PVP with players of HIGHER calliber on syntax than vector, hand's down.

The above is for Sphairo.

And Tiango thanks for the advice on the PVP faction but I won't be on syntax anymore. I'll pursue my activities on Vector or if needed for some reason Recursion.

lol, think I struck a nerve with this person. ^^

Someone is angry, duel Spha on Vector and see what happens.  Vector is a waste.  A server made up of 85% hjers.  All this Syntax/Recursion carebear crap is garbage.  Syntax > Vector handsdown.  Oh, didnt a certain Syntax player WIN your Vector Olympics? (HostileIntention)?? Stop crying on the forums and go back into sneak and punt some level 16s.

Sphairo wrote:

Not to be rude but, you don't PVP on syntax so how would you know, Denary? Honestly, if your not on Syntax PVPing all the time like me, ROLLTIDE and other people from Syntax in this thread, your opinion on the matter isn't really that viable.   I've PVP'd also, long enough to know that you do not nessecarily need a zerg or numbers to get a CQ. Sure, they help, and if the said group (with lots on there side) load up heals and buffs and trauma, your not going to be as successfull.. but i'd rather fight the good fight and go down taking one or two with me.

Just because I don't PvP doesn't mean I can't watch and see the PvP for myself, I have an alt on Syntax at level 24 and I do on the odd occasion just watch some PvP, I know the kind of PvP that goes on there, we're two different kind of PvPers, you would rather go for CQs and die in the process of getting as many as possible, while I'd rather leave a CQ alone for the sake of not dying myself.

In any case what I say about the PvP differences is just in general, what you and ROLLTIDE are doing is just attacking Gretyl with flamebaits, this thread was to talk about server differences not to go try and claim syntax is the 1337.

Denary wrote:

Sphairo wrote:

Hanzyl and Gretyl wrote:

I'm not crying at all, Just having an open debate. I'm sorry if your not used to that ROLLTIDE or Sphairo. Just don't take it personally as it's not meant to be personal.
You were crying, started swearing and getting all aggressive.
Whatever Aggression you claim was there doesn't exist, all swearing was either used in a phrase to identify something and the other was a saying.
You can tell by the way he typed in the post a few quotes up from here, he *was* getting aggressive just because someone challenged his view of things. I'm all for debates and discussions but not when someone is going to start using profanity to try and 'counter-act'  an arguement. Doesn't wash, sadly.
I'm curious as to where i got aggressive or used swears against you?

As for coding i do code someplace safe. The Master Shadow is just in case because an area that is safe may not remain safe.
lol
The response of someone who doesn't know how to respond?
What's the point in responding to it anyway? There's nothing about 'server PVP differances, but rather, what loadout your using.
It is a viable difference between the servers as on Syntax you can code without fear of being attacked. One cannot always say the same on Vector. You say you played on Vector too so you should be aware of this.

I never made a comment about carebears. I just mentioned the blue attacks and such which is a valid point given the topic is Server PvP Differences and that is a big difference between the two servers. As for who is the better PvP server thats not what the topic is about so you can debate it elsewhere.
See that's where your wrong, because it does not matter if it's a hostile server or not, the buffs, snipes, rezzes and all that kind of thing will still occurr. More so on vector in my PVP experiance, there've been alot more runners/HJ/Pilling/Hardlining away etc!
Generally thats true, numbers rarely come so easily on Vector, most people would be suicidal to take on a large zerg alone which is why you get more, while Syntax usually has numbers but you just wait for someone to flag, that is the difference, you have the numbers and when a fight starts more people begin to fight, but thats team combat, one thing I can't stand because eventually you'll have number differences and as you know, winning in MxO is just a case of who has the most numbers.

Not to be rude but, you don't PVP on syntax so how would you know, Denary? Honestly, if your not on Syntax PVPing all the time like me, ROLLTIDE and other people from Syntax in this thread, your opinion on the matter isn't really that viable.   I've PVP'd also, long enough to know that you do not nessecarily need a zerg or numbers to get a CQ. Sure, they help, and if the said group (with lots on there side) load up heals and buffs and trauma, your not going to be as successfull.. but i'd rather fight the good fight and go down taking one or two with me.
I agree they will still occur but on a PVE server if i'm flagged a Hacker can walk up to me. Upgrade Attacks, Overclock and LC2.0 me i can't attack him back till he gets his free attack. If someone walked up to me on Vector and tried that I could at least attack back before they get there free attack. Same goes for buffs and Rez. They can rez the guy then buff him and send him back in. If a doctor buffer ran around vector battlefield doing that they wouldn't last long. These are very important differences between the two servers.

I agree to an extent that on all servers every org gets there time to gank or zerg.
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We'll have to just agree to disagree, H + G. 

Um i didn't say anything back but ya, we may aswell stop as the discussion is getting off topic.

Not to take any sides here but in ROLLTIDE and Sphairo's defense, i think your failing to realize that they have both been involved in quite a bit of pvp on both Vector and Syntax.  I'm pretty sure ROLLTIDE has had a 50 over there for over a year now and Sphairo possibly over 2 years so...yeah, it's not like they don't know pvp...