Xenin -- Marcus did die. He was killed by members of the local gang. It's no coincidence that Shimeda's operation report didn't include that part. It's a shame that once a bluepill chooses to remain a bluepill, any concern from EPN for their safety goes out the window. But they are still human beings, worth just as much as any redpill. Illyria
Xenin -- Marcus did die. He was killed by members of the local gang. It's no coincidence that Shimeda's operation report didn't include that part.
It's a shame that once a bluepill chooses to remain a bluepill, any concern from EPN for their safety goes out the window. But they are still human beings, worth just as much as any redpill.
Illyria
And they're much more valuable to you as bluepills, right Illyria? After all, you're really regretting the loss of a resource, aren't you? I find it sadly funny that this "great concern" you Machinists proclaim to have for human life does not extend to us Redpills.
Oh, by the way, you mean for us to believe you've never lost a single bluepill while on a mission for your Machine masters?
A job well done, I would think, on the part of the EPN members that took part in this scenario. Waking one at a time is difficult, and two is almost impossible. Trying to Awaken three people at the same time is unheard of.
Regarding the tactics of Captains Dezreki and Archangel, it would serve us well to remember that we are not Zion or Machinists. We do not have the luxury of standing around for hours on end, debating the philosophy of the Truth. With the constant threat of an entire system against us, we have to move . . . faster.
And risk losing them from the get-go by coming off as too pushy? If I ever get an order like that, I'll be packing up and moving out.
I know what I'm capable of. And I've had Machinists hand bluepills off to me to finish the job before. They know I do it properly and don't force decisions.
I had a failure. Nobody wins 100 percent of the time. What works with one bluepill doesn't work with another. You learn to adapt, use what resources are at your disposal. And quite frankly, I didn't have much to work with when dealing with a stubborn bluepill who was obsessed with his meeting "masked men."
Agreed. I was trying to tell the others that it is not easy for us to recruit. Sometimes we have to improvise.
((lol, I was backing you up man. Chill!))
Archangel wrote:And risk losing them from the get-go by coming off as too pushy? If I ever get an order like that, I'll be packing up and moving out. Agreed. I was trying to tell the others that it is not easy for us to recruit. Sometimes we have to improvise. ((lol, I was backing you up man. Chill!))
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote: Archangel wrote:And risk losing them from the get-go by coming off as too pushy? If I ever get an order like that, I'll be packing up and moving out. Agreed. I was trying to tell the others that it is not easy for us to recruit. Sometimes we have to improvise. ((lol, I was backing you up man. Chill!))Perhaps if it's not easy to recruit, it's because you're trying to pick up bluepills who aren't among the 1% who, by nature, reject the system. The ones who seek answers in the first place - not just the ones who saw something weird.
To ShiXenFeng:
Oh.
To Fatmop:
It was established at the beginning of the event that these people were ready to be presented with the choice. Time had been spent observing them.
Oh, right, of course, they had been observed. And that inerrant EPN observation machine sure did a great job of leading you to a bluepill who took the blue pill. And then died.
Humans are humans, no matter if they're blue or red. All have a right to live. Do you honestly think that we Machinists look at the bluepills as just resources? If you do, your own propaganda has blinded you. Machinists look at bluepills as people. They're just like us, and their being connected to the Matrix doesn't make them any less human.
You say you have the whole system against you. Well, why does that surprise you, when you've deliberately put yourselves outside of the truce? EPN is trying to be what Zion was before the truce, but there's no need for that now. You're stuck in the past, trying to relive the days of Neo and Trinity, but they're over. There is no war now. Stop trying to re-start it.
Let Zion awaken the people who reject the system...and *just* those who reject it, until adequate food and living space exists for them in the real. Even though your "leader" the Kid wants everyone freed from the Matrix (don't make me point out his own words in that manifesto again, and don't try to deny he said it either).
PS:Skill wrote:
Hmm, so I guess they are telling them the truth before giving them the choice?
Doesn't telling them the truth about the Matrix take away their ability to choose for themselves? I mean, if they know the world around them isn't real, that pushes them towards the red pill.
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote: And they're much more valuable to you as bluepills, right Illyria? After all, you're really regretting the loss of a resource, aren't you? I find it sadly funny that this "great concern" you Machinists proclaim to have for human life does not extend to us Redpills. Humans are humans, no matter if they're blue or red. All have a right to live. Do you honestly think that we Machinists look at the bluepills as just resources? If you do, your own propaganda has blinded you. Machinists look at bluepills as people. They're just like us, and their being connected to the Matrix doesn't make them any less human.You say you have the whole system against you. Well, why does that surprise you, when you've deliberately put yourselves outside of the truce? EPN is trying to be what Zion was before the truce, but there's no need for that now. You're stuck in the past, trying to relive the days of Neo and Trinity, but they're over. There is no war now. Stop trying to re-start it. Let Zion awaken the people who reject the system...and *just* those who reject it, until adequate food and living space exists for them in the real. Even though your "leader" the Kid wants everyone freed from the Matrix (don't make me point out his own words in that manifesto again, and don't try to deny he said it either). IllyriaPS:Skill wrote: Hmm, so I guess they are telling them the truth before giving them the choice? Doesn't telling them the truth about the Matrix take away their ability to choose for themselves? I mean, if they know the world around them isn't real, that pushes them towards the red pill.
An uninformed choice is what creates Cypherites, my dear. Oh, I don't suppose you know anything about that, though, do you?
Not like the bluepill doesn't erase all memory of it anyways.
Yes, Captain Obvious, that's right! We do want everyone freed from the Matrix! Everyone should get to consciously choose between the Matrix, or reality.
There is no war? Who is slinging propaganda now?
The Truce is just another prison; a Matrix for the Awakened.
Yes, Captain Obvious, that's right! We do want everyone freed from the Matrix! Everyone should get to consciously choose between the Matrix, or reality. There is no war? Who is slinging propaganda now? The Truce is just another prison; a Matrix for the Awakened.
Giving everyone a conscious choice will drive some people insane, and will kill others. Look at those bluepills who died when your code bombs went off -- some of them died instantly, and didn't have a chance to drown. But suppose you did give everyone a conscious choice, and everyone chose the red pill. Where would they live? How would you feed them? As it is, Zion can't even put shoes on all its inhabitants.
There is no war. If there was still a war going on, Zion would have been destroyed and there would be no more redpills. But I see that Zion still exists, and continues to add to the population of redpills.
The truce is a prison? Interesting words. Would you rather that Neo hadn't brokered the truce? If he hadn't, we would all be dead...or Smith.
