[10.2.4] "Because I wear a uniform and a title" - Vector - 6/6/08

**Agent_Pace**

We are pleased to announce that a threat to industry in Edgewater has been neutralized. Thank you for your patience, and please remember that reporting any suspicious individuals to your nearest System representative helps keep the city safe.

Efficiently,

Agent Pace
System Liaison

privaronT

I just hate people who get things done with pay offs and smooth talk... Thanks for trying to keep the city safe from fork tongued snakes like that.

Zudrag

DUN DUN DUN

**Croesis**

Lol, that's the funniest report I've read in a while! While Agent Gray has been tempered a bit by his position of controller and Agent Pace was designed to be very communicable with Humans, Agent Griffin is a normal Agent with an Agent's attitude, and sometimes a situation calls for just that kind of attitude.

**CPT_Starschwar**

((I think this would be an appropriate time to say that the reward for my first Meet with Gray crit was a dress.))

TheShickle

kou_urake wrote:

((I think this would be an appropriate time to say that the reward for my first Meet with Gray crit was a dress.))

Agent Gray inspired my fascination for Derin Sheen Pants, I met him once and he gave me a red pair.

However, The Merovingian gave me a gun...

**ZippyTheSquirrel**

What the hell?

Who do we believe? Who was the real Getterman?

And why is Agent Griffin--

Oh. Hm... eh heh. You're going in my file, Griff.

**CODEMAN**

Are Machines even capable of lying? I know they will withold information if deemed necessary, but I don't think they lie.

**GamiSB**

CODEMAN wrote:

Are Machines even capable of lying? I know they will withold information if deemed necessary, but I don't think they lie.

And the Matrix is what exactly then? Reinsertion? Most of what the Architect told Halbron about his B.I.P.?

Oh yeah the Machines can lie and are queit good at it to boot.

**Cadsuane**

Griffin said "What if I told you...?" which gives an acre of leeway as far as truth and lies are concerned.

This was an entertaining and clever event. Even though it was small, I wouldn't mind seeing more like this.

-Collbard-

CODEMAN wrote:

Are Machines even capable of lying? I know they will withold information if deemed necessary, but I don't think they lie.

((I think this came up in the Matrix Universe forum or somewhere. I have absolutely no idea why people would think that machines can't lie. I can code a program right now that lies. I can ask if the sky is blue and it will respond "no." No big deal))

**Cadsuane**

Technically a machine cannot lie. This is truer though in a mathematical sense than in the sense of conversation with humans. When Collbard asks his program about the sky, it gives the correct response - the programmed response, even if that response is 'wrong' so far as personal comprehension is concerned. The fact of the matter is that the Machines we deal with in the Matrix are honest but deceptive. The truth they tell you might not be the truth you think you hear.

**GamiSB**

Cadsuane wrote:

Technically a machine cannot lie. This is truer though in a mathematical sense than in the sense of conversation with humans. When Collbard asks his program about the sky, it gives the correct response - the programmed response, even if that response is 'wrong' so far as personal comprehension is concerned. The fact of the matter is that the Machines we deal with in the Matrix are honest but deceptive. The truth they tell you might not be the truth you think you hear.

And again, The Matrix, Reinsertion, Halbron's meeting with the Architect. Three cases where the Machines have lflat out lied.

The Matrix is the biggest lie of theirs. It tells people that this is the only world and the real one.
Reinsertion was pushed along by the Machines and not until confronted about the topic did they admit that it was in fact not possible when many had already been told by them they were to be reinserted.
The Architect lied to Halbron telling him that they had no knowledge of the BIP.

The Machine's we deal with are far more advanced then any mathematical algorithm. They are able to decide if they will or will not give a right answer to a question posed to them.

**CODEMAN**

CODEMAN wrote:

Are Machines even capable of lying? I know they will withold information if deemed necessary, but I don't think they lie.

This actually was a terrible question on my part. I should've thought about it more before I asked such a loaded question because everyone would have a different answer depending on their respective Orgs. Some would say that the Matrix itself is a lie, and some would argue that the redpill is a lie, etc. etc. etc. The essence of a Cold War.

-Collbard-

I'm a machinist telling you that machines and programs can lie. It's simple. I can create a program like a calculator, but when certain values are true, false values will be displayed. For example, 1 + 2 = 2. If value is 2 display 3. We can see this with true or false problems as well. If true, display false.