Matrix Lore Questions / Newbie seeks Enlightenment

**CrimsonKiller01**

I don't know man, I suppose the evidence from the movies, games, and anime seems to point to that there are cities, outside of Mega City. Besides the "Heathrow Airport" newspaper clip wasn't there also a part in Enter the Matrix where you had to take a mission at the airport? In the anime there was an episode where a bunch of kids were playing in a haunted house. While it could be easily said that was International District it still seemed more like Tokyo, Japan than anything else (The traffic lights and I think there was a street cop that looked like the ones in Japan.)

About all I could say to all of this is that it is possible that there are cities outside of Mega City and that maybe Mega City just has the distinction of being the biggest city and the birthplace of Neo. You also have to bear in mind that since Neo/Thomas Anderson is from Mega City, than most likely all the action on the three movies would have probably taken place there.

**Balletic**

Matrix Lore Questions / Newbie Seeks Enlightenment – Part Deux

So, here are a few more queries from the endless stream of questions bouncing about my head about the wonderfully mysterious and darkly gritty world of the Matrix Online.

9. How similar is the experience of the senses both inside and outside of the Matrix? I understand that the Zionists tend not to indulge while a lot of the Merovingians and Machinists don’t hesitate to do so. In the movie, Cypher was enjoying the heck out of a meal with an agent even as he was talking about how he knew it wasn’t real. Is there any discernable difference between the refreshing sensations of breathing in a cool breeze as it is whispering over your face and through your hair when inside the simulation of the Matrix as opposed to out in the grim reality of the Real? What about human contact? Is an affectionate hug the same? Is something lost in physical intimacy inside the Matrix or is it just the same?

10. Speaking of life in the Real, what is the actual physical state of our redpills after awakening and how long does it take to progress to some semblance of a typical adult capability in terms of walking, talking, etc.? I remember almost nothing about this from the movie other than there was a process of removing all the plugs but the one behind the head. If my redpill was a professional ballerina/dancer in the Matrix, and has that knowledge but zero muscle memory in the Real, I wonder what the possibility of ever actually rising to that level in the Real would be? With all the downloading of information for use in the Matrix, does that transfer to the Real as well? Does my Balletic know Kung Fu regardless of where she is, jacked in or not?

11. There was some suggestion earlier in the thread and that I’ve seen elsewhere that the Matrix-governing Machines are able to adjust the memories of their plugged in human battery bluepills as they see fit. Regardless of what this might mean where the actual size and scope of the Matrix simulation is concerned, what does this mean for our redpills that are jacking in? Is it possible to make imprints into the mind of a redpill that is simply jacked in but far removed from their jelly filled battery pod from their bluepill days? Didn’t Agent Smith actually superimpose himself onto a Zionist in the Real during one of the movies? If this is possible (the adjusting of perceptions, not necessarily the possessing of ‘bodies’), how do our Redpills protect themselves from this?

Thanks for any insights anyone is willing to share!

**Mave**

Balletic wrote:

Matrix Lore Questions / Newbie Seeks Enlightenment – Part Deux

So, here are a few more queries from the endless stream of questions bouncing about my head about the wonderfully mysterious and darkly gritty world of the Matrix Online.

9. How similar is the experience of the senses both inside and outside of the Matrix? I understand that the Zionists tend not to indulge while a lot of the Merovingians and Machinists don’t hesitate to do so. In the movie, Cypher was enjoying the heck out of a meal with an agent even as he was talking about how he knew it wasn’t real. Is there any discernable difference between the refreshing sensations of breathing in a cool breeze as it is whispering over your face and through your hair when inside the simulation of the Matrix as opposed to out in the grim reality of the Real? What about human contact? Is an affectionate hug the same? Is something lost in physical intimacy inside the Matrix or is it just the same?

10. Speaking of life in the Real, what is the actual physical state of our redpills after awakening and how long does it take to progress to some semblance of a typical adult capability in terms of walking, talking, etc.? I remember almost nothing about this from the movie other than there was a process of removing all the plugs but the one behind the head. If my redpill was a professional ballerina/dancer in the Matrix, and has that knowledge but zero muscle memory in the Real, I wonder what the possibility of ever actually rising to that level in the Real would be? With all the downloading of information for use in the Matrix, does that transfer to the Real as well? Does my Balletic know Kung Fu regardless of where she is, jacked in or not?

11. There was some suggestion earlier in the thread and that I’ve seen elsewhere that the Matrix-governing Machines are able to adjust the memories of their plugged in human battery bluepills as they see fit. Regardless of what this might mean where the actual size and scope of the Matrix simulation is concerned, what does this mean for our redpills that are jacking in? Is it possible to make imprints into the mind of a redpill that is simply jacked in but far removed from their jelly filled battery pod from their bluepill days? Didn’t Agent Smith actually superimpose himself onto a Zionist in the Real during one of the movies? If this is possible (the adjusting of perceptions, not necessarily the possessing of ‘bodies’), how do our Redpills protect themselves from this?
Thanks for any insights anyone is willing to share!

9. It's what you make of it really. Though how much you indulge and what you indulge makes a difference. Example, my character Mave (Zion Affiliated) never eats inside the Matrix. He knows it isn't real so he doesn't bother with it. As for hugs and other acts of affection, I believe them to be quite "real". Again, it's what you choose to make of it.

10. As seen in the first film with Neo's awakening, the muscles are atrophied so it does take some time to get to "acceptable" standards. In reference to the first film again, they spent some time working on getting Neo's muscles and nerves to respond efficiently again. The scene I refer to is when they have all those needles inside Neo's body. Similar to acupuncture (It might even be the exact same thing). From the looks of it, these needles sent small electrical shocks in an attempt to build up the muscles again. As to the professional dancer/ballerina thing, I'm sure with some practice you could get it again. After all, you're used to the muscles you had in the Matrix, not in the Real. As for using downloaded information such as Kung Fu etc in the Real, I think it's possible, but it'll take a LOT of practice to even begin to scratch that surface. In the Matrix, Redpills obviously break some of the rules such as not having to breathe in the simulation and Stamina. The rules you can bend in the Matrix are the same rules you are bound to follow in the real. While a Triple Front Kick is easy to pull off in the simulation, good luck falling on your *CENSORED* when you attempt the same thing in the real. Even with the fight between Neo and Bane (Smith overridden), Neo did not use ANY of the downloaded Martial Arts in his memory.

11. Machines can override the minds of Redpills and Bluepills alike. Redpill example being Agent Smith overriding the mind of Bane. Another example would be the most current one we know of being Cryptos, another Redpill. For protection, I suggest you avoid getting caught by the Mechs since they are the ones doing the overrides. Now that I think about it, I wish I could invest in some Neo Antivirus. >.>

**Balletic**

Mave wrote:

9. It's what you make of it really. Though how much you indulge and what you indulge makes a difference. Example, my character Mave (Zion Affiliated) never eats inside the Matrix. He knows it isn't real so he doesn't bother with it. As for hugs and other acts of affection, I believe them to be quite "real". Again, it's what you choose to make of it.

Thanks for your responses Mave! I'm really loving the lore of the Matrix and all the intrigue between the factions and just the whole atmosphere really.

That #9 has been a really interesting one to me. The Merovingians indulge and enjoy the Matrix, the Zionists typically tend not to and are all business while jacked in (?), but what about the Machinists? Are they somewhat like the Merovingians with a different style and mindset? This is referring to all facets of 'living' within the Matrix, from eating and drinking to taking time out for a barefoot walk in the park or playing with a rope swing in a river.

**Mave**

Balletic wrote:

Mave wrote:

9. It's what you make of it really. Though how much you indulge and what you indulge makes a difference. Example, my character Mave (Zion Affiliated) never eats inside the Matrix. He knows it isn't real so he doesn't bother with it. As for hugs and other acts of affection, I believe them to be quite "real". Again, it's what you choose to make of it.

Thanks for your responses Mave! I'm really loving the lore of the Matrix and all the intrigue between the factions and just the whole atmosphere really.

That #9 has been a really interesting one to me. The Merovingians indulge and enjoy the Matrix, (1)the Zionists typically tend not to and are all business while jacked in (?)(1), (2)but what about the Machinists?(2) Are they somewhat like the Merovingians with a different style and mindset? This is referring to all facets of 'living' within the Matrix, from eating and drinking to (3)taking time out for a barefoot walk in the park or playing with a rope swing in a river(3).

1. I don't think all Zionists jack in for simply business. Some of us, like myself, do enjoy being jacked in from time to time. The real world is an ugly place. It makes for an interesting getaway, if even for a small period of time.

2. I wish I could answer that for you, but I'm not a Machinist. You'd have to ask one of the toasters running around here. SMILEY

3. From a OCC and IC standpoint, I would never walk barefoot in a park/beach/public place. This is due to a natural fear of broken glass/needles/other infectious material that one would find on the ground in gritty parts of Los Angeles. I'll be damned if I survived The Assassin Event, Intruder, Anome, Giant Fly People, Truce Breaking only to have my @ss handed to death via stupid infection or disease from stepping on some random crap on the ground.

There are some places though where I like to enjoy some quiet time. It's mainly in Tabor Park. These places would be Tabor Park Chess Tables, the Tabor Park Library (or something that looks remotely like a library) across the street from the actual Tabor Park, and the roof of a building in the Tabor Park district, again.

But hey, if you want to find a rope swing near a river or walk through a park, I'd be happy to keep you company. ::exaggerated wink::

**MatrixRefugee**

Balletic wrote:

11. There was some suggestion earlier in the thread and that I’ve seen elsewhere that the Matrix-governing Machines are able to adjust the memories of their plugged in human battery bluepills as they see fit. Regardless of what this might mean where the actual size and scope of the Matrix simulation is concerned, what does this mean for our redpills that are jacking in? Is it possible to make imprints into the mind of a redpill that is simply jacked in but far removed from their jelly filled battery pod from their bluepill days? Didn’t Agent Smith actually superimpose himself onto a Zionist in the Real during one of the movies? If this is possible (the adjusting of perceptions, not necessarily the possessing of ‘bodies’), how do our Redpills protect themselves from this?

If I remember correctly, Cryptos, the leader of the Cypherites and a few other minor Redpill characters had Machine programs coded into them, which Seraph removed. I can't recall if they wittingly or unwittingly were sharing brain-space with this code. Some time back (and I know there's some vets who are going to come down on me like a ton of bricks for bringing it up, but I'm mentioning it for the sake of the discussion), there were a number of Redpills who became vampiric, by being infected with a virus that caused vampirism. This apparantly teed-off from a bit in the "Nightfall" event, where Malphas had promised to turn any and all Redpills who helped him in his rebellion against the Merovingian. In my own RP, my main, Sieges, shared headspace with an Exile named Morraeon, but I played it as if it could be one of many things: was it a simple case of a split personality? Was it demonic possession?

I think it's entirely possible for a Redpill to wind up sharing their head with some sort of extra code (Machine or Exilic), but at the same time, with enough mental discipline, it's possible for that Redpill to resist or shed that code. Keep your eyes open in the coming days: you're likely to see something like this happening...

**Gothique**

Or when Neo entered the wrong door and got TP'ed to some place in Himalaya.
So, no the Matrix isn't just the Mega City.

**imax** · 03/12/2008 14:53:00

Gothique wrote:

Or when Neo entered the wrong door and got TP'ed to some place in Himalaya.

So, no the Matrix isn't just the Mega City.

Neo: Oh *poop*.
Link: Operator.
Neo: Link, where am I?
Link: You're not gonna believe this, but you're all the way up in the mountains.
Neo: Really.
Link: Yeah, it's gonna take me a while to get up an exit. Oh *poop*.
Neo: What?
Link: Those Twin things are after Morpheus and Trinity, and I don't have a way to get them out.
Neo: Where are they?
Link: Middle of the City, 500 miles due south.

So, unless the mega city is somewhere in India, Neo was not in the Himalayas. I happen to think that the Matrix is limited to just the Mega city and surrounding rural areas. The people in the city are oblivious to their surroundings and never question it. But this is just my opinion.

And for the record, Neo didn't enter the wrong door, and wasn't teleported anywhere. The Merovingian teleported back to the city, and the door closed severing the connection to the city, so when Neo reopened it he discovered that the Chatu it self was up in the mountains.

**Sneaker**

Mega City, Tibet.

It has a nice ring to it.

**Dripping-Cheese**

imax wrote:

Gothique wrote:
Or when Neo entered the wrong door and got TP'ed to some place in Himalaya.

So, no the Matrix isn't just the Mega City.

Neo: Oh *poop*.
Link: Operator.
Neo: Link, where am I?
Link: You're not gonna believe this, but you're all the way up in the mountains.
Neo: Really.
Link: Yeah, it's gonna take me a while to get up an exit. Oh *poop*.
Neo: What?
Link: Those Twin things are after Morpheus and Trinity, and I don't have a way to get them out.
Neo: Where are they?
Link: Middle of the City, 500 miles due south.

So, unless the mega city is somewhere in India, Neo was not in the Himalayas. I happen to think that the Matrix is limited to just the Mega city and surrounding rural areas. The people in the city are oblivious to their surroundings and never question it. But this is just my opinion.

And for the record, Neo didn't enter the wrong door, and wasn't teleported anywhere. The Merovingian teleported back to the city, and the door closed severing the connection to the city, so when Neo reopened it he discovered that the Chatu it self was up in the mountains.

I do believe you have snookered her!

SMILEY