[9.2.1] It seems to be coming from the surface - Syntax - 1/15/08

**Synapse777**

Looked like a nice event SMILEY

Maybe someone with leet photoshop skillz can help out with that Kid pic? Dunno, but doesn't most of it looks like a cut and replace, I mean you got most of the colors there anyway it's just to make a few new layers over the chat box... not that I know how to do that :/

And to side with Broin that... I'd be great to even see our new liaison jacked in... :/

**Procurator**

If for no other reason, you have to love the intruder for showing utter contempt for Popper and EPN. Pure class!

**Ru7hL3Ss** · 01/18/2008 04:23:40

32 mil XP, HAXS!

**Shadow-SK**

Do we really know what made Neo the One? Some argue that he wasn't the inherent flaw in the system, and Trinity's love/his rebirth made him the One. The Oracle did say he might be waiting for his "next life", so that's what I've always assumed. The only description of Neo's powers came from himself: "Something's different. I can feel them." The Oracle said this was him "touching the source". If Neo touched the source, does that necessarily mean his powers came FROM the source, as the Architect denies? Then people have argued the Matrix within the Matrix theory.

Could the sentinels he destroyed have acted like a link to the Machine City? Yeah, he touched the source, but how? Neural frequencies relayed by the Sentinel's satellites? Maybe, but the truth is none of us really know. I would assume the Architect would know if anyone. The Intruder is after knowledge, and I really wonder who will be able to satisfy his search. He's one stubborn guy.

**Illyria22**

Shadow-SK wrote:

Do we really know what made Neo the One?

The program inside him made him the One. The only question is when that program was put inside him -- was it always there, or was it 'downloaded' into him after Smith killed him?

Actually, that does bring up a second question. If that program wasn't always part of Neo, did it download into him...or did it overwrite him? Was "Neo" really the same person after he became the One?

Illyria

**Avalod**

Illyria22 wrote:

Shadow-SK wrote:
Do we really know what made Neo the One?

The program inside him made him the One. The only question is when that program was put inside him -- was it always there, or was it 'downloaded' into him after Smith killed him?
Actually, that does bring up a second question. If that program wasn't always part of Neo, did it download into him...or did it overwrite him? Was "Neo" really the same person after he became the One?

Illyria

Well lets put it this way.. Did he not obtain the one status ordeal. When he was fighting for his life against Smith when he was being shot at or so? Then he hears Trinity and what not and starts realizing things. and begins to defy what the Matrix Does in limitation standards.

id say the program is actually inside everyone given they push to the limit to defy the Matrix's own Limitations. But thats just how i would see it. due to Neo defied the Matrix in ways that he bended the system to his will.. but it only came to that after realizing it was all an illusion of a sort.

So i want to say if one does enough to realize the Matrix is nothing but a "real" illusion of some sort. Then anyone can actually unlock a Neo or One status within them.

So im willing to say it was Neo's own mind and not some mere code or numbers to determine it all. Seeing Neo used his mind to gain the belief it was all a mere illusion in the Matrix when Jacked in. and then some

But as I said... Thats how I would see it being. But not how other would

**Pyraci**

Illyria22 wrote:

Shadow-SK wrote:
Do we really know what made Neo the One?

The program inside him made him the One. The only question is when that program was put inside him -- was it always there, or was it 'downloaded' into him after Smith killed him?
Actually, that does bring up a second question. If that program wasn't always part of Neo, did it download into him...or did it overwrite him? Was "Neo" really the same person after he became the One?

Illyria

I think it was always in him or, at least it was by the time he went to see the Oracle. Looking back on the conversation they had, she saw it in him, but she knew he was still skeptical. I think she said it would be his next life because based on what she told Trinity, it would take her connection to him and something that traumatic for him to believe it.

**MotorZ**

I still think Neo may have had some kind of wifi connection, as dumb as it sounds. How else would he have connected to the Matrix from outside?

Something I just thought of, maybe Smith's bullets somehow transferred the program. Crazy, but who knows. I kinda think the real 'Thomas Anderson' died and the 'One' program took over. But yeah, I'm going too crazy for myself here. Hate when I do that.

**CODEMAN**

I get a really bad feeling about this Intruder; balls to bones. He's way too interested in Neo, specifically his abilities. It's just a matter of time before this Intruder becomes an Imposter. Beware of this one.

**Neoteny**

Hmm. I don't know. I'd be hard-pressed to believe that the Accelerated Man is simply trying to gain Neo's powers. Entirely ignoring the fact that he already seems almost more powerful than Neo, he's said before that he came into the Matrix in order to get answers, and he's displayed a characteristic uncaring about the simulated world. To me, it seems like he'll be just as happy to leave when he gets the answers he wants.

Now, what this says to me is that he has something in common with either Neo or Trinity - perhaps his powers. Maybe he is questioning the root of them, or more particularly, how and why they originate, and why the Machines would have him in the position that he is in (it seems likely that he's somewhere near the Machine City and the Machines haven't elminated him, which means they need him for something). But more importantly, we don't know what he's looking for, and it's something that we should really be looking into, rather than throwing out potential answers to his questions.

**Canbus**

Jesus freaking Christ, Ledgic sure was a dumb-*CENSORED* with sending those /tells.

Havocide

Gerik wrote:

((Would of been a good event for us if people could keep their *CENSORED* mouths shut about our location.))

Be nice to know about it a bit futher than an hour in advance.

**Procurator**

Canbus wrote:

Jesus freaking Christ, Ledgic sure was a dumb-*CENSORED* with sending those /tells.

Ah, now, Ledgic's a true legend in his own right, at least within the Glitch Society.

Ledgic: you called the procecutor to handle me as a bodyguard

You wouldn't believe how many laughs that line has had. SMILEY

Anyway, back on topic: what surprises me is why the Intruder seems so confused over Neo's powers. He even had trouble accepting that Neo could fly. Dude, it's code. The Matrix is code. How d'you you think his powers worked?

Hell, you're doing it yourself!

**Neoteny**

My guess is that he knows much more than we do. It seems as if he truly understands the nature and cause of his powers - what makes them function as they do and such. Perhaps this suggests that he knows or understands some of the underlying code subroutines governing programs and speed. Now, of course, he might not understand the subroutines relating to Neo's capabilities...

Why he needs to, I couldn't begin to understand, though.

Another thought I've had relating to the subject is that perhaps they have differing powers because they draw their strengths from different areas. The Intruder seems to be rooted in some sort of absolute nihilism as far as the System is concerned, whereas Neo always struck me as drawing his power more from confidence in his abilities to break the rules of the Matrix.

Still, it's an enigma we won't have the answer to for a while, I think.

**GamiSB** · 01/18/2008 22:09:31

Procurator wrote:

Canbus wrote:
Jesus freaking Christ, Ledgic sure was a dumb-*CENSORED* with sending those /tells.
Ah, now, Ledgic's a true legend in his own right, at least within the Glitch Society.

Ledgic: you called the procecutor to handle me as a bodyguard

You wouldn't believe how many laughs that line has had. " width="15" height="15">

Anyway, back on topic: what surprises me is why the Intruder seems so confused over Neo's powers. He even had trouble accepting that Neo could fly. Dude, it's code. The Matrix is code. How d'you you think his powers worked? Hell, you're doing it yourself!

I think its brilliant actully. We typically only see the normal version of this. Bluepill who's lived their life in the Matrix thinking there are rules but knows they arnen't real wakes up and is amazed by the truth. The intruder is the reverse. Freeborn and knows there are rules and knows they can't be broken pluged into a world that has no rules.

The intruder is something in everyway we have never seen before.