Villemar_MxO wrote:
Completely incorrect. I was the game's biggest booster up until a few months ago when for all intents and purposes the plug was pulled on us. Let me ask you this. What is the point of telling the community, "You'll get nothing and like it, so Stop Whining, Jerks!"
Completely incorrect. I was the game's biggest booster up until a few months ago when for all intents and purposes the plug was pulled on us.
Let me ask you this. What is the point of telling the community, "You'll get nothing and like it, so Stop Whining, Jerks!"
Hm, I've reread her initial post three times, and I think the issue here is that you're reading something entirely different. I didn't see anything at all to the tune of that.
What I saw was her asking people to stop playing the victim and start playing the game.
Then in your posts, what I saw was a defensive lashing out without ever truly addressing one point she made.
P.S. Who are you supposed to be again?
Supposed to be? Nobody in particular, just another player. Who are you supposed to be?
A lot of what's suggested by the join date thing is perspective.
if you weren't here in 2005, you don't know just how huge, popular, and filled with live content with static content in constant development this game was. Hell, you could just go to Mara C on some random day and the Assassin might be there. Niobe might call you up out of the blue. That's how things started. Amazing.
Granted, things on the mechanical side were busted to hell. Yes, that was corrected, but largely, let's accept it, while people complain about things being broken, as long as they don't make the game un-playable, they'll continue to play as long as something is there to catch their intrigue.
Case in point, Vista bugs have been there how long? People continued to play. People continued to play during the horrendous NVIDIA bugs, too. Why? Live content, newly published static content. Something new to do.
Now? There's next to nothing. That's not much if you've never been to a live event, or if you've even only been to a few. Near the end, they really kind of sucked, anyway. That's not much if you weren't involved in chapter 8 and the previous chapters which more heavily involved players ala Death of the Destroyer.
If people are bitching and citing player join dates, generally, it's because we've been in the "Oh, hey, it's not that bad" position a million times before. The SoE transition, the loss of HCFrog, CR2.0, LESIG failures, The Champagne Room - the list goes on up through the New Approach and finally Rarebit's resignation.
We've taken the shaft enough to know that the optimistic view isn't the correct one as far as this game is concerned. Is it sad? Yeah, it's sad. But it's true.
Welcome to the wasteland. Expect no saviors.
Kreis wrote:
Villemar_MxO wrote:P.S. Who are you supposed to be again?Supposed to be? Nobody in particular, just another player. Who are you supposed to be?
I tell you who I'm not. A player who shows up out of the blue, all of the sudden, guns blazing, basically starting a thread complaining that the MxO community is filled with whiney, spoled brats.
Ahh but it is! >_>
I see both sides of the agruement. And people are getting panties twisted because they still care about the game they are addicted to/love/hate/whatever.
So uh, do as the title suggests?
Before anyone asks.. I am DELICHO, DESTORYER OF WORLDS (or just some noob).
Also, all serious points I wanted to make, Neoteny summed them up nicely.
MxO is still MxO (to me that is.) Oh yeah my start date ain't 05 so i guess yous pretty much don't care (we all play the game so start date has jack do to with it lol)
Yeah fair enough, LE's got cut (bit disappointing but well it was only 1 ever 3 months for vector mervs so meh..) and content got cut (dam and here was me looking forward to all the text edits..)
We are still the same god dam game. Infact, over the past year - year and a half, we have had more static content to keep ourselfs occupied than before (before was only PB's and 01.)
So yeah i will Light Up and take a big toke cause MxO ain't changed, still the same game. Its YOU'S that are making it different by not logging in and rolling over for me
Obviously this is not addressed to everybody, but I'm not sure where the sense of entitlement that's become so prevalent here comes from exactly. Perhaps it is a lack of perspective.I fail to see how anybody has been "screwed over" by Sony, a corporation far too large to intentionally screw over such a small population of its clientele, and far too interested in the bottom line to go around making enemies out of customers. As far as I can tell, this game has been really fun and has had a great run. Just because nothing lasts forever doesn't mean you are owed anything. No one held a gun to your head and forced you to keep subscribing. There is nothing in the EULA that entitles us to fabulous MxO prizes till the sun burns out. I myself am very disappointed that I didn't find MxO earlier in its incarnation, but what can you do? These are the kind of problems you WANT to have.In a time where there's major wars going on and people around the world are losing their livelihoods and even their homes, I find it repugnant that anybody has the nerve to complain so stridently about something they were very lucky to ever have in the first place at all. Yes, losing MxO would be incredibly disappointing, however, it's great to still have a roof over your head, heat in your home, food to eat, and a working computer among other amenities denied a large number of the world's population.And at any rate, clearly the fate of our game is in our hands. We can either whinge and moan like spoiled brats about having our toys taken from us before we felt like putting them down, or we can take this thing and turn it into the best thing it could be.Complaining that Sony makes no effort? Fine, let's show them how it's done, then
Obviously this is not addressed to everybody, but I'm not sure where the sense of entitlement that's become so prevalent here comes from exactly. Perhaps it is a lack of perspective.
I fail to see how anybody has been "screwed over" by Sony, a corporation far too large to intentionally screw over such a small population of its clientele, and far too interested in the bottom line to go around making enemies out of customers. As far as I can tell, this game has been really fun and has had a great run. Just because nothing lasts forever doesn't mean you are owed anything. No one held a gun to your head and forced you to keep subscribing. There is nothing in the EULA that entitles us to fabulous MxO prizes till the sun burns out. I myself am very disappointed that I didn't find MxO earlier in its incarnation, but what can you do? These are the kind of problems you WANT to have.
In a time where there's major wars going on and people around the world are losing their livelihoods and even their homes, I find it repugnant that anybody has the nerve to complain so stridently about something they were very lucky to ever have in the first place at all. Yes, losing MxO would be incredibly disappointing, however, it's great to still have a roof over your head, heat in your home, food to eat, and a working computer among other amenities denied a large number of the world's population.
And at any rate, clearly the fate of our game is in our hands. We can either whinge and moan like spoiled brats about having our toys taken from us before we felt like putting them down, or we can take this thing and turn it into the best thing it could be.
Complaining that Sony makes no effort? Fine, let's show them how it's done, then
Yes mother
Yes, losing MxO would be incredibly disappointing,
Kreis, your entire post is contradictory. You chastise those of us who speak our minds about the current state of this game, even though you know how much this game means to us.
We aren't losing MxO, we have lost it. The game we started playing is gone. The only thing left is the world in which the game once was played. Many of us, having invested so much of our creative selves for years, are having a really difficult time letting that go.
And, if I may be so bold, perhaps you, too, are just a bit bitter and upset, and lashing out at the community is your only recourse since no official of SOE is available?
Temet Nosce.
Lighten up!
Everyone jumping on everyone is not only not helping the situation. In fact, it's only destroying the last vistages of what made this game great...the community. We've been through a lot. We've seen the best days and the worst this game has to offer and yet here we are. We're still together but now we're turning on one another.
And for what? What is there to prove? My opinion versus yours? Who wins that? How does that fix the game? How does that help or inspire SOE to give us what we want?
United we stand. Divided we fail.
Garu wrote:
Lighten up!Everyone jumping on everyone is not only not helping the situation. In fact, it's only destroying the last vistages of what made this game great...the community. We've been through a lot. We've seen the best days and the worst this game has to offer and yet here we are. We're still together but now we're turning on one another. And for what? What is there to prove? My opinion versus yours? Who wins that? How does that fix the game? How does that help or inspire SOE to give us what we want?United we stand. Divided we fail.
*jumps on Garu*
Neoteny wrote:
A lot of what's suggested by the join date thing is perspective.if you weren't here in 2005, you don't know just how huge, popular, and filled with live content with static content in constant development this game was. Hell, you could just go to Mara C on some random day and the Assassin might be there. Niobe might call you up out of the blue. That's how things started. Amazing.
(This isn't directed at you, Neoteny, but you provided the vehicle for a point I'm trying to make.)
See and this is the point that really really needs to be made.
Us noobs weren't here when it all started, but that's all we ever hear about. I can't be in this game for five minutes without someone somewhere comparing how awful it is now compared to how awesome it was back then. The thing is, you're totally invalidating my experience here and now.
This is kind of like when a band makes it big after years of being unknown, and all the people who have been fans for years get all high and mighty because "We knew them when they were small and underground." There's no prize for that. All that it means is that you enjoyed it for a longer period of time, but it doesn't mean that I should derive no enjoyment from the same thing.
I understand what this game once was and how awesome it was, because I've talked to a lot of vets about it. Who am I? I've been here for a year, and I've got a 50 and another nearly-50. I enjoy the hell out of this game. Would I have enjoyed it more "back in the day?" Undoubtedly.
I understand where Kreis is coming from because our experience as newer players has been compeltely invalidated. You all keep pointing out on what we missed back in the day, but I feel like you are all missing out on what we still have here. You cling to this memory of what once was, and many of you (I've totally fallen into this pit a couple of times over the last few months myself) hold that memory in such high regard, that you have a hard time facing the facts that it will never be that again.
From my understanding, she's not trying to start a riot, she's not trying to tell you to quit, she's not namecalling, but she is telling you to realize that it could definitely be worse.
Garu is right.. If you do not agree with what somebody is saying about the game, or feel they are caring too much about it, then there is always the option of passing the thread by. Most of us are doing the best that we can in real life,.. MXO has always been a source of creative outlet, as simple as that. The serious problems of the world are not going to be affected one way or another by what goes on with this forum.
Live and let live.
This thread makes me sad. The community is literally tearing itself apart, especially against the younger members trying to keep a positive outlook.
You disappoint me the most, Villemar. Out of all the louder vets that have become negative, I'd have hoped that one of you would be able to keep your posts polite. I guess this issue is finally wearing on everyone. Hm, or maybe I've distanced myself too much and I can't remember who is who, here.
QuiDormit wrote:
...How?
They could not give us Updates, or New Items, or Live Events? They could not give us Producer's Letters, or Cinematics, or New Missions? They could shut down two thirds of our game's servers, drive off the people who play the game, and end things like Flash Traffic, Liaisons, the Sentinel and Scanline?
How could it be worse? I'm not arguing your point, I'm asking you to show me. Show me how it could honestly be worse. This isn't about "I was here longer, so your opinions are moot to me." This is about "I remember when this game was being ADVERTISED, and I remember what we were PROMISED. Therefore, I KNOW what has been taken away from us."
Maybe some of you are content with player-driven content, from a community where 98% of the people would rather not even try, because they know they'll either be bashed for it by someone "better" than they are, or that nobody will show up at all. Maybe you're content with teleporting from hardline to hardline to hardline, looking for other players who just want to stand around, sit on a bench, and wait for RP or PVP to start. But if you ask me, that's a pretty sad situation.
You think things could be worse? I would like to know how. If your answer is going to be "They could shut down the game," my next question would be "How would that be any worse?" At least then we'd have a definitive action from the Powers That Be. At least then, they'd acknowledge our friggin' presence, if only to give us one last kick to the groin.
If you enjoy this game the way it is, then more power to you... but DO NOT come on this forum and tell us to quit our whining, QQ, cry moar, or lighten up. Not when you're content with eating out of the garbage can this game currently is, and the rest of us are begging for a simple ham and cheese sandwich on a paper plate.
They could shut down one of the servers. Without merging it into another. That would be worse.
