Croesus wrote:I see, so you are saying that Zion violated the truce because the Machines had? But plans for your 'New Zion' were made before the Machines plans for Cryptos. I'm saying what you said, Vinia. "So if the truce was undermined by sabotage, murder and spying, then we are all to blame, Zion and the Machines." And CloudWolf is right about the timeframe.
I see, so you are saying that Zion violated the truce because the Machines had? But plans for your 'New Zion' were made before the Machines plans for Cryptos.
Really? I must submit to optical testing as I swear Niobe said they started work on planning a new base right after the Machines almost destroyed Zion.....
Agent_Gray wrote:Failure to conform to the dictates of the System is no longer an acceptable option. This is very simple to translate. "Do what we say or die." I hope everyone realizes that. I hope that even those on both sides who say that they will continue to fight for the Truce realize that. I hope they fully understand that Zion has no privileges now.
Failure to conform to the dictates of the System is no longer an acceptable option.
and now we're getting into "He started, no He did"
Can we all agree that both sides have done stuff that has violated the Truce?
He's right, we can't go back to the old truce. The Old Ways are done, we now have to muck through to find a new form of peace. One way or the other
and now we're getting into "He started, no He did"Can we all agree that both sides have done stuff that has violated the Truce?
I can agree to that. I merely reposted the appropriate image to prove I was correct in an earlier point, one that was challenged. The point is now, what is the next step, I still believe in peace, but we must forgo the mistakes made previously and move forward.
Agent_Gray wrote:Failure to conform to the dictates of the System is no longer an acceptable option. This is very simple to translate. "Do what we say or die." I hope everyone realizes that. I hope that even those on both sides who say that they will continue to fight for the Truce realize that. I hope they fully understand that Zion has no privileges now. That 1% that Zion was allowed to awaken are no longer allowed. The Machines will kill you or kill them to prevent them from being awakened... they've done it in the past and they'll do it now. The only reason our EJP's still work is because they can't take back the technology they've made available for us to recreate and use at our will. But expect them to start circumventing it, because they will. Contrary to popular belief, I want peace as much as anyone else does... but the Truce is no longer the route to that. It hasn't been in a very long time. Only now does that become obvious to several of those who did not already see it. Bickering and speculating is pointless. Survival of the human race is what matters now, and everyone has their opinion on the best path for that. But the Zion I knew believed in awakening those who needed to be awakened, regardless of cost. EPN will lend it's help to Zion in every regard for their safety and the safety of the human race. Know that.
The Machines did not invent the emergency jackout system.
Rarebit wrote:The Machines did not invent the emergency jackout system. (( What?! Surely they played a part in it. The game manual states that the EJP was created following the 'exchange of information' that followed the Truce, or something to that effect. Zion couldn't've invented it without the Machines' help. ))
Procurator wrote:Rarebit wrote:The Machines did not invent the emergency jackout system. (( What?! Surely they played a part in it. The game manual states that the EJP was created following the 'exchange of information' that followed the Truce, or something to that effect. Zion couldn't've invented it without the Machines' help. )) I've said before that Humans can be quite inventive when they need to be, take all of the destructive weaponry they've made in their own internal wars. I am sure however that the Machines, who have a deeper understanding of their own creation, gave information to Zion about the workings of the simulation for the purpose of creating this system...
I always wondered about when and how it was invented.
Illyria
Neoteny wrote:If "undermining" the Truce by building a city, which actually has nothing to do with the conditions above breaks the Truce, I submit to you that it has broken for quite some time. Most of us did not know the specific terms of the truce...however, Zion command knew enough to know that the building of this armed city would be seen as a breach of that truce. They willingly performed an act that they *knew* would cause the truce to break. Insanity. Pure, self-destructive insanity. Illyria
If "undermining" the Truce by building a city, which actually has nothing to do with the conditions above breaks the Truce, I submit to you that it has broken for quite some time.
Most of us did not know the specific terms of the truce...however, Zion command knew enough to know that the building of this armed city would be seen as a breach of that truce. They willingly performed an act that they *knew* would cause the truce to break.
Insanity. Pure, self-destructive insanity.
