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[8.2.3] Remember that we gave them a fight today - Syntax - 9/10/07
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Jacked Out

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PBlade wrote:
Because you are irrational and, like I said, propelled by blind faith and stirring words. Those who chose to go did indeed choose their own fate.

They chose to die, and you chose to send them to die.
There was chance our plan could of worked. They believed they could succeed and that the plan would work! Unfortunately the plan failed, thus we have lost some good men and women.

As I've said countless times. I didn't send them to die, nor did Kid or any other Commander. This was a plan fed from Command, we obeyed. We let our fleet's decide whether or not they wanted to go. Captains volunteered by themselves. Then they went, because they wanted to.

The problem is choice PBlade. They choose what they felt was right.


Systemic Anomaly

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So your Commander asked for volounters? He was essentially asking people to go to their deaths. As for people choosing to go. Well then, the problem would appear to be much more than choice....

This Operation had far too low a chance of success, it should never have been employed. It was a knee-jerk reaction, and its total failure displays this.



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Sometimes I wonder how much longer Kiddies and Zionist can do the 'rar rar, we will win one of these days!" attitude before being crushed by the weight of reality.  Needless to say, the Cyph org will be there to put the pressure of reality on the kiddies and Zionist. 



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All I see is yet another ill-advised march to death, sanctioned by a 'leader' who is, as Pblade mentioned, motivated by blind faith.

I lied, I see two things.  The second one is EPN's failure to overthrow the 'evil' machines through malicious means. 

Why you persist in using the people you claim to protect as collateral is beyond me.  Why they do their part willingly, is even farther beyond my understanding.

You will die before you learn.  Whilst that gets no one anywhere, I find it increasingly difficult to surmise that Zion at large wouldn't be better off without their renegade albatross.




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MetaLogic wrote:
Needless to say, the Cyph org will be there to put the pressure of reality on the kiddies and Zionist. 

Needless to say, that made me chuckle, hard.



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SEPET wrote:

With an aware choice to ALL men in the simulation, no more bluepill casuality will affect the matrix, so now answer me who is fighting for dominance?

The Commissioner responds:

My statement wasn't aimed toward blue-pill casualties inside the simulation, my point was that an action was taken to ensure blue-pills, who made no offense in this conflict, would not be subjected to the hardships soon to come in this war.

Zion/New-Zion/EPN only care about destroying the Machines, there is no middle ground in thier aims. Where as the Machines continue to devote time and effort to the continuance of the human race.

'Who is fighting for dominance?'

You have my answer.



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PBlade wrote:
So your Commander asked for volounters? He was essentially asking people to go to their deaths. As for people choosing to go. Well then, the problem would appear to be much more than choice....

This Operation had far too low a chance of success, it should never have been employed. It was a knee-jerk reaction, and its total failure displays this.
Blimey. How many times do you have to hear it? They took part in a mission were they know that there is a chance they might die, but took that risk hoping that they would suceed. it was their right to do so.

Don't demean the sacrifice of the fallen.



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MetaLogic wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how much longer Kiddies and Zionist can do the 'rar rar, we will win one of these days!" attitude before being crushed by the weight of reality.
As long as we have hope, we will continue to fight. And there is always cause for hope.
(This attitude may seem incomprehensible to the coalition of defeatists who call themselves the Cypherites, and the Machines, who listen only to ther sole master, logic, while ignoring one of their greatest weakness', the belief that human emotion is itself a weakness.)



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TheMagus wrote:
MetaLogic wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how much longer Kiddies and Zionist can do the 'rar rar, we will win one of these days!" attitude before being crushed by the weight of reality.
As long as we have hope, we will continue to fight. And there is always cause for hope.
(This attitude may seem incomprehensible to the coalition of defeatists who call themselves the Cypherites, and the Machines, who listen only to ther sole master, logic, while ignoring one of their greatest weakness', the belief that human emotion is itself a weakness.)


You don't get it do you, you honestly do not do you?  Zion and EPN have already lost, they lost when the machines signed the surrender papers at the UN at the end of the first man/machine war.  Face it, the human race are no longer the dominant species on this planet.  If you think you'll become the dominant species again, then I have a bridge in former Brooklyn to sell you.  The machines have tried the peaceful co-existent route, and I think we all know how well that ended.  Let's be honest with ourselves, Zion has been destroyed five times in the past.  Now the sixth time is inevitable.  Humans will never be the dominant species on the planet again, and they'll never control or bring down the simulation.  The day the Kiddies and Zionist can realize that is the day that we may actually make some progress.



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The only way forward is together.

 

 

Illyria




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The_Commissioner wrote:

SEPET wrote:

With an aware choice to ALL men in the simulation, no more bluepill casuality will affect the matrix, so now answer me who is fighting for dominance?

The Commissioner responds:

My statement wasn't aimed toward blue-pill casualties inside the simulation, my point was that an action was taken to ensure blue-pills, who made no offense in this conflict, would not be subjected to the hardships soon to come in this war.

Zion/New-Zion/EPN only care about destroying the Machines, there is no middle ground in thier aims. Where as the Machines continue to devote time and effort to the continuance of the human race.

Do u think our target was choosen randomly? Don't u never ask why the power line? the strike was  trgeting the power line cause that energy is STOLEN from men, we not only care to destroy the machine, we care the freedom of human race, we care the right to have a choice, and if to have it we have to switch off the machine city powered with the energy they stole from binding men..... well we'll do it, i can assure u.

The only reason why the machine "devote" (oh my god thi term is very theatrical....) time in continuance of human race.... is cause they need our energy to live, and them choose the more pervers ((is this the word for??)) way to do this, machine bid men in unaware slavery , like the men long time ago do with machine...machine hate more than human it seems... so don't tell me about "devote", they do what they do just cause they need to do that....





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Illyria22 wrote:

The only way forward is together as long as we're totally in control and can dispose of those whom we control.

 

 

Illyria


(lengthly) Fixed for hidden meaning and 'truthness'.

-Dedatorus

Message edited by GoDGiVeR on 09/14/2007 12:27:52.



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GoDGiVeR wrote:
(lengthly) Fixed for hidden meaning and 'truthness'.

-Dedatorus

Sometimes control is necessary to keep people from hurting themselves or others.  Remember what happened in the former Yugoslavia when that control was lifted...its citizens went back to their old vendettas against those of different ethnic and religious backgrounds.  People who'd lived together as neighbors for years were suddenly the targets of each others' ethnic cleansing.  Control that keeps different groups from killing each other isn't necessarily evil, you know.

 

Illyria




Systemic Anomaly

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The only way the human race can survive is through peacefull cooperation with the Machines.  The human race deserved extinction when we destroyed our planet.   Our condemnation of Zero One nearly wiped ous out. It was the mercy of the Machines that preserved us. They deserve our friendship, to say the least.
Message edited by CPT_Starschwar on 09/14/2007 14:04:05.

 
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