Hm... Maybe we could just combine them all into one ability called "Hyper-Win"?

LoTekGhost wrote:

I think I'd be in fair company if I asked what the reason was behind this Hyper change? 

I'm not asking this with a negative intent, but am simply curious as what angle this was looked at and deemed a prudent change.  Assuming the reason and such can be discussed, I'm sure I wouldn't be the only on that would appreciate seeing this from the Development's eyes, to see your reasoning as it were. 

Hope that isn't taken the wrong way, it's just a genuine bit of curiosity.  Thanks!  =D

I think (and you'd have to ask Dracomet to get the non-speculative answer) that the reason was that we actually have this class, called Hacker, that was being discriminated against when it came to defensive abilities everyone can use. So that was straightened out to give the Hacker class a fair shake. And then, to compensate for the due attention that will have to be paid to hackers now, additional defense against the other attack types was added to defensive upgrade abilities; that also has the effect of making the Upgrade Master tree a little more useful than it has been. So, basically the idea as far as I understand it was class balance. It isn't surprising to me that people who primarily play the other classes, and who do a lot of PVP, are going to be concerned about this, but if we want to have the classes balanced--and that has always been the intent, even if it doesn't always work out--then it's necessary to work these things out.

...the game even deadlier for a lowbie missioning on hard. I don't know if you've ever missioned as a pistol/karate low level, but it's bad as is without being equipped by higher levels or getting insanely lucky with resistance drops beforehand. ...

LoTekGhost wrote:

I think I'd be in fair company if I asked what the reason was behind this Hyper change? 

I'm not asking this with a negative intent, but am simply curious as what angle this was looked at and deemed a prudent change.  Assuming the reason and such can be discussed, I'm sure I wouldn't be the only on that would appreciate seeing this from the Development's eyes, to see your reasoning as it were. 

Hope that isn't taken the wrong way, it's just a genuine bit of curiosity.  Thanks!  =D

I think (and you'd have to ask Dracomet to get the non-speculative answer) that the reason was that we actually have this class, called Hacker, that was being discriminated against when it came to defensive abilities everyone can use. So that was straightened out to give the Hacker class a fair shake. And then, to compensate for the due attention that will have to be paid to hackers now, additional defense against the other attack types was added to defensive upgrade abilities; that also has the effect of making the Upgrade Master tree a little more useful than it has been. So, basically the idea as far as I understand it was class balance. It isn't surprising to me that people who primarily play the other classes, and who do a lot of PVP, are going to be concerned about this, but if we want to have the classes balanced--and that has always been the intent, even if it doesn't always work out--then it's necessary to work these things out.

Ok..I can see that, but not every one is going to have an Upgrade Master available to help compensate for the  loss of the hyper deflect, And if you are going to class balance, then  the hacker vs ma  issues need to be addressed. 

 The hacker clothes need some additions too  For example  there are some hacker clothes for females that are on the master list, but which I, nor any one else I have talked to, have actually seen. Would be nice if those were reintroduced to help balance things out.

Can I get my Zen Master tree now?

I think this wil definitely make things more challenging. Different PvP tactics will soon surface, and we'll see how things end up. I personally don't like the change, but hopefully we can see Zen Master finally come in to play.

Roukan wrote:

...the game even deadlier for a lowbie missioning on hard. I don't know if you've ever missioned as a pistol/karate low level, but it's bad as is without being equipped by higher levels or getting insanely lucky with resistance drops beforehand. ...

Nah, the only lowbie levelling I've done was as a Spy, in CR1.0, and that was HAAARD.

How that compares to current conditions and other classes, I can't really say. One of the big design goals for CR2.0 was to make low-level PvE easier, and I think they did manage that. High level PvE also ended up being way easier, which wasn't intended...I think maybe buffed clothing wasn't done and taken into account when the calculations were being made. I wasn't in on all that stuff, though, so I can't say for sure.

What makes me curious about your reply, though, is that you seem to be implying that Gunman or MA is the hard way to level as a lowbie. But those are the two classes I always hear recommended to lowbies as the best ones to level with. Are you saying that they're harder to level with than Spy, Hacker, or Coder (hm Coder might be a good one with the sims I guess, I dunno)?

Roukan wrote:

...the game even deadlier for a lowbie missioning on hard. I don't know if you've ever missioned as a pistol/karate low level, but it's bad as is without being equipped by higher levels or getting insanely lucky with resistance drops beforehand. ...

Nah, the only lowbie levelling I've done was as a Spy, in CR1.0, and that was HAAARD.

How that compares to current conditions and other classes, I can't really say. One of the big design goals for CR2.0 was to make low-level PvE easier, and I think they did manage that. High level PvE also ended up being way easier, which wasn't intended...I think maybe buffed clothing wasn't done and taken into account when the calculations were being made. I wasn't in on all that stuff, though, so I can't say for sure.

What makes me curious about your reply, though, is that you seem to be implying that Gunman or MA is the hard way to level as a lowbie. But those are the two classes I always hear recommended to lowbies as the best ones to level with. Are you saying that they're harder to level with than Spy, Hacker, or Coder (hm Coder might be a good one with the sims I guess, I dunno)?

Rarebit wrote:

Roukan wrote:

...the game even deadlier for a lowbie missioning on hard. I don't know if you've ever missioned as a pistol/karate low level, but it's bad as is without being equipped by higher levels or getting insanely lucky with resistance drops beforehand. ...

Nah, the only lowbie levelling I've done was as a Spy, in CR1.0, and that was HAAARD.

How that compares to current conditions and other classes, I can't really say. One of the big design goals for CR2.0 was to make low-level PvE easier, and I think they did manage that. High level PvE also ended up being way easier, which wasn't intended...I think maybe buffed clothing wasn't done and taken into account when the calculations were being made. I wasn't in on all that stuff, though, so I can't say for sure.

What makes me curious about your reply, though, is that you seem to be implying that Gunman or MA is the hard way to level as a lowbie. But those are the two classes I always hear recommended to lowbies as the best ones to level with. Are you saying that they're harder to level with than Spy, Hacker, or Coder (hm Coder might be a good one with the sims I guess, I dunno)?

Rarebit is right. Spy, Hacker, And Coder are 30x harder to level with as a lowbie than MA or gunman.

Rarebit wrote:

Roukan wrote:

...the game even deadlier for a lowbie missioning on hard. I don't know if you've ever missioned as a pistol/karate low level, but it's bad as is without being equipped by higher levels or getting insanely lucky with resistance drops beforehand. ...

Nah, the only lowbie levelling I've done was as a Spy, in CR1.0, and that was HAAARD.

How that compares to current conditions and other classes, I can't really say. One of the big design goals for CR2.0 was to make low-level PvE easier, and I think they did manage that. High level PvE also ended up being way easier, which wasn't intended...I think maybe buffed clothing wasn't done and taken into account when the calculations were being made. I wasn't in on all that stuff, though, so I can't say for sure.

What makes me curious about your reply, though, is that you seem to be implying that Gunman or MA is the hard way to level as a lowbie. But those are the two classes I always hear recommended to lowbies as the best ones to level with. Are you saying that they're harder to level with than Spy, Hacker, or Coder (hm Coder might be a good one with the sims I guess, I dunno)?

Rarebit is right. Spy, Hacker, And Coder are 30x harder to level as a lowbie than MA or gunman.

The_Bruceter wrote:

Delicho wrote:

Oh, and my guess to the blue rez questions earlier in this thread..

 

They changed it now so people can rez people in the FFA zones.

Last night on vector they made 01 FFA. U couldn't rez any1 " width="15" height="15" /> and only area heals (team heals) worked.

Yeah man, I mean when the patch comes out.  People were asking why they are just now changing blue rezzes on flagged players when people have been talking about it for a long time.

I'm guessing that's why they just now changed it.  To rez people in FFA zones. (which is handy if they have frags and whatnot from datamining and got killed why people pvping >_> )

LoTekGhost wrote:

I think I'd be in fair company if I asked what the reason was behind this Hyper change? 

I'm not asking this with a negative intent, but am simply curious as what angle this was looked at and deemed a prudent change.  Assuming the reason and such can be discussed, I'm sure I wouldn't be the only on that would appreciate seeing this from the Development's eyes, to see your reasoning as it were. 

Hope that isn't taken the wrong way, it's just a genuine bit of curiosity.  Thanks!  =D

I think (and you'd have to ask Dracomet to get the non-speculative answer) that the reason was that we actually have this class, called Hacker, that was being discriminated against when it came to defensive abilities everyone can use. So that was straightened out to give the Hacker class a fair shake. And then, to compensate for the due attention that will have to be paid to hackers now, additional defense against the other attack types was added to defensive upgrade abilities; that also has the effect of making the Upgrade Master tree a little more useful than it has been. So, basically the idea as far as I understand it was class balance. It isn't surprising to me that people who primarily play the other classes, and who do a lot of PVP, are going to be concerned about this, but if we want to have the classes balanced--and that has always been the intent, even if it doesn't always work out--then it's necessary to work these things out.