[7.2.5] "She makes a nice punching bag, dearie" - Recursion - 5/18/07

**Kemy**

RetroX wrote:

Shinryu wrote:
Machines are not Machinists, Machinists are not Machines... I thought this had become clear by now...

Then refuse your machine masters, tell them you cannot suport them while they are in suport of group who are far dangerous than hacking the code of the matrix casuing no damage to blue pills or the system. Yes EPN acept the consequences of our actions but as stated above why the hell should any one of our crews be treated to sadistic touture with whom the "keepers of the truce" and have a "freindly" agreement with,

The Machinists already did this on Syntax by signing the decleration of independance, thank you very much.

**Resident**

By god if she dosen't, she'll wish she'd never met them!

Jax

Good job Cypherites! I'm proud of you.

**Procurator**

Zeissman wrote:

Procurator wrote:

And where else would we go?

I have a place in mind.

Ah-hahahahahah! That's a classic, man. Cheers! SMILEY

*Falls off his chair laughing.*

If I weren't in a Machine hovercraft, with a carpeted floor in my quarters, I'd've grazed my knees.

**CPT_Starschwar**

Well, seems everyone else has covered the bases I was going to. So, I'll summarize.

Machines =\= Machinists

Machinists hate the Cypherites

Machinists seek to change the Machines' view of the Cypherites

Leaving the Machines is not the way to change things - change comes from within.

EPN are terrorsits.

Cypherites are also terrorists.

This was an act of terrorists vs terrorists. Good times.

**Roukan**

Shinryu wrote:

Machines are not Machinists, Machinists are not Machines... I thought this had become clear by now...

Obviously the context in which people would think would be clear now.. wouldn't it?

**GamiSB** · 05/23/2007 15:14:17

Fatmop wrote:

If not terrorist, what? You all play the amazing moving goal post game whenever someone asks about your goals. Getting back Neo? Well how can you do that without violence? Waking up every bluepill? How can you do that with the machines refusing to allow it? And if you only want to awaken the 1%, why the hell don't you just go back to Zion? There are plenty of Zion factions that don't take every order Locke hands down as the word of God.

Could you please direct me to something that says our goals are "Getting back Neo and wakeing up every blepill". I seem to be unable to find such a document produced by anyone with any authority on the matter.

**Asa**

Oh let them make up whatever they want. They'll do it whatever we say. There's about as much point arguing about it as trying to make Gray laugh with less possibility of success.

**GamiSB**

Well it never hurts to ask. You would think after they say it with such conviction and meaning that being the logical and reasoning type they are they must certainly have some sort of document or quote from our liaisons or leaders.

**RetroX**

Reeverb wrote:

RetroX wrote:
Shinryu wrote:
Machines are not Machinists, Machinists are not Machines... I thought this had become clear by now...

Then refuse your machine masters, tell them you cannot suport them while they are in suport of group who are far dangerous than hacking the code of the matrix casuing no damage to blue pills or the system. Yes EPN acept the consequences of our actions but as stated above why the hell should any one of our crews be treated to sadistic touture with whom the "keepers of the truce" and have a "freindly" agreement with,

The Machinists already did this on Syntax by signing the decleration of independance, thank you very much.

So when Gray turns up, I take it you won't be working for him?

**Archangel**

Shinryu wrote:

Machines are not Machinists, Machinists are not Machines... I thought this had become clear by now...

About as clear as you guys have this statement:

Code Pulses are not Code Bombs, Code Bombs are not Code Pulses.

**Procurator**

RetroX wrote:

So when Gray turns up, I take it you won't be working for him?

So... I take it you didn't read Starschwar's or my posts on this subject?

**GamiSB** · 05/23/2007 15:42:36

Procurator wrote:

RetroX wrote:
So when Gray turns up, I take it you won't be working for him?

So... I take it you didn't read Starschwar's or my posts on this subject?

I think what he means is that sence you have so openly stated you will nto work with Cypherites that the next time your asked to do so you rather then just go along with the order and then add your opinon to the your reports you actully state your opinion to Gray and not do as asked untill they change.

Change happens from within yeah but it doesn't if nothing from within is being done to make it happen.

**Procurator**

That's not what he implied. I take it from his statement that he expects me to not work for Gray and the Machines at all, despite teh arguments we Machinists have made to explain our position.

If Gray or the Machines ordered me to work with the Cypherites then no, I wouldn't follow that order and I'd state my opinion. Though they already know it.

**GamiSB** · 05/23/2007 16:49:00

Procurator wrote:

That's not what he implied. I take it from his statement that he expects me to not work for Gray and the Machines at all, despite teh arguments we Machinists have made to explain our position.

If Gray or the Machines ordered me to work with the Cypherites then no, I wouldn't follow that order and I'd state my opinion. Though they already know it.

Ah my bad. I only read what you quoted him as saying =p

Anyway glad we can at least agree on that mater. Time to put it into pracite