The Spy tree and You. A guide to the Assassin.

>revolt_

Absolutely. You just have to know how to use it. It's incredible how much damage I've dealt with an ordinary Assassin/MKT build (in this priority).

Oh, and Krog. It's a bonus that Spies now have their own damage type. I tried a pure Spy attribute setting, so I got max Thrown damage, accuracy, defense, resistance and together with Find Weakness I'm doing LOTS of damage because Thrown resistance and defense is the lest used or accumulated damage type, if you get what I'm trying to say.

Most have ballistic, melee or viral resistances/defenses, but nearly no one has maxed thrown resistances yet. So it is a piece of cake for spies right now. Find weakness weird re-use timer definitely helps with that (same re-use timer as duration).

And if you're a Spy you DON'T want to use any other type of damage beside Thrown, because no one has thrown resistances... hehe.

>revolt_

Zacharias

Yup, I have to agree to revolt...... an 800damage leg throw is realy.... woa :smileysurprised:
I think, the spy tree is now good balanced, I had fight against some MAs and Gunmans..... some were realy easy to fight but another one was extremly hard or I had get no chance to beat him and I had left the combat :smileytongue:

But, I can hear the voices crying that the spy now is overpowered and need to bee fixed...... there is a fix, in the awakened tree. There is one little abilitie for everyone to get enough thrown defense. So the spy cant hit you with an knife, cant lower your movemant speed and cant do an sneak attack becouse you can go in interlock with him....

My actualy tactic is:
Get behind my enemie and uses the shild jamming device.
Then Im give him an Suplex (~1500Dmg)
In the Suplex Animation I do the find weakness and do the leg sweep (~800Dmg)
Then one or 2 knifes in Interlock and he is death ^^
But Im preffer the Canny Strike (~500Dmg) as the finnishing move ^^

**Yasamuu**

this is the LO i have been playing as since cr2 began and to be fair i have been enjoying it. i decided to break away from the traditional MA look i was thinking of taking up. is this step 1 in keeping me here who knows? still depends on the content lol. Good guide montoia.

**Long**

only thing with the spy tree is IS >< i dont like to wear IS clothes due to the fact that id rather hav resists and not die. So only get it from my sakura bandana. So can usually kill around 2 people before havin to sit somewer to regen.

RockyB

So what we have here is half the people bitching about Spy being nerfed, and half saying t's overpowered :smileyindifferent:

All I know is that I get my arse kicked by Daelim when he's using spy SMILEY

**Garu**

Very informative, Montoia! This thread...delivers. SMILEY

HCFrog

RockyB wrote:
So what we have here is half the people bitching about Spy being nerfed, and half saying t's overpowered

That means it's balanced! SMILEY

**Bethlehem**

zing lol

i picked up this board because i saw that post by someone saying it was too over powered... i don't think they've played it yet! i stayed alive just as much as my buddies at the event, and died just as much too. get some thrown resist and keep your shield up!

**Montoia** · 04/03/2006 10:59:07

Tried to edit my first post here, but I guess it's too old to, but i'll just post here.

Lately i've been using 30 reason instead of 30 focus, for the max damage I can get, stat wise, on Thrown. I don't even use guns. Normally if I need to use a ranged attack, I used Find Weakness + Paralyzing Throw. Does a nice n' quick 600 dmg. SMILEY

Sure it eats a bit more IS, but with the maxed Reason, it regens pretty fast. There are also a selection of hats that you can wear to raise your IS regen. Personally I use my new security hat <3

EDIT: Somoene mentioned Canny Strike as a finishing move... that's just bunk. Canny Strike uses WAY too much IS for the damage it does. My most lethal combo is, if you're like me and using Master Assassin/Shadow, is Shield Jammer ---> Diving Frankenstien ---> Find Weakness during animation ---> Leg Sweep ---> Earn CQ.

When you combine Find Weakness with Leg Sweep, it does close to 1200 damage. A finishing move if i've ever heard of one. :smileywink:

Message Edited by Montoia on 04-03-200601:59 PM

**Bethlehem**

0.o i forget what the stats are (dammit i'm at 'work')

i put thirty each in the thrown acc one and the other one that gives thrown dmg? rest go to the initiative bonus one.

pvp: more likely than not i'm not the instigator (not good enough yet)

find weakness, neuro, deadly, subduing, crippling, deadly. usually does it.

**Tytanya_MxO**

Money has prevented me from trying too much of the MasterShadow tree, but legsweep is a real gift if it hits..... does sacrificing focus mean you are less effective in IL? I had read that only ballistic or Melee accuracy determined IL rolls?

**Montoia**

Unless i'm mistaken, using Spy style still uses Thrown. Hell, if not it doesnt really matter. In IL it's generally Leg sweep and Paralyzing throw anyway, which run on Thrown.

If Spy style uses anything but Thrown, then there are some sorry MA's and Gunners out there. :smileywink:

RockyB

Froggy pwned SMILEY

SumDumGai

I really like the CR2 and the spy tree. I'm almost 40 and I can hang with my faction in PvP now. I have a place and I rarely die at the same time I don't do much damage but I have a roll and can help out in PvP with 50's. As for missioning I have no problems I dont do assassinations due to not being a main tank nor main DPS. I do retrevial's on hard and I can run those all day and not die so if your haveing a problems running mission's then run what suits your profession. As for PvP and such with people that think spies got nerfed a good example is the movie " The Last Samurai " Ninja's ( which are spies ) where a force to be reconed with when attacking from a distance and from hiding, but when in close combat they where good but not against the samurai's which were more close combat orientated. I ATM run Shadow / Knife Thrower or Shadow / Assassain and I'm loveing it more and more. When I first started playing my heart was set to spy but would often play kung-fu / gunman / sniper, since CR2 I am waiting to sell them to the vendors. Spies rule in thier enviorment and more if your that good. Thanks for the guide it is great. As for tatics I use is I most the time run with others while PvPing ( no zerg squads ) and pick targets. Being lower level and not being able to do alot of damage I Disable Shields and Land States on them then move to the next. Most the time I have someone else interlock them after I break the sheild.

SharpSnake

Ok, Im new to the spy tree and the game, but on reading the thread I have one main question,

most of the tactics mentioned use serveral atk's in a row that require you tobe in the sneaking state like mentioned here:

Montoia wrote:
Tried to edit my first post here, but I guess it's too old to, but i'll just post here.

Lately
i've been using 30 reason instead of 30 focus, for the max damage I can
get, stat wise, on Thrown. I don't even use guns. Normally if I need to
use a ranged attack, I used Find Weakness + Paralyzing Throw. Does a
nice n' quick 600 dmg. Sure it eats a bit more IS, but with the
maxed Reason, it regens pretty fast. There are also a selection of hats
that you can wear to raise your IS regen. Personally I use my new
security hat <3

EDIT: Somoene mentioned Canny Strike as
a finishing move... that's just bunk. Canny Strike uses WAY too much IS
for the damage it does. My most lethal combo is, if you're like me and
using Master Assassin/Shadow, is Shield Jammer ---> Diving
Frankenstien ---> Find Weakness during animation ---> Leg Sweep
---> Earn CQ.

When you combine Find Weakness with Leg Sweep, it does close to 1200 damage. A finishing move if i've ever heard of one. :smileywink:
Message Edited by Montoia on 04-03-200601:59 PM

Now
how do you achieve this...atm once I atk Im outa the sneaking state and
cant do another tree atk that requires sneak unless I break IL move
away sneak come back?