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[7.2.4] It's not a hovercraft captain's signal like we thought - Vector - 5/15/07
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Systemic Anomaly

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Fatmop wrote:
Zeissman wrote:
Neoteny wrote:

Oh, EPN...

I have been told by so many that I am wrong, that it is him, that he is returning, that I am wicked, for I do not believe.

Now you see why I never believed. Blinded are the faithful, not the skeptical.

-Neoteny

But you did once believe, my friend.  And who is stronger?  A man attacked for his beliefs time and again until he becomes hurt, and a skeptic?  Or a man attacked for his beliefs time and again, that remains faithful?

Which of the above do you believe Morpheus himself experienced within Zion?  Which of the above do you believe he will be looking for, when and if he returns?

I'd rather be an optimist than a skeptic.  At least if I'm an optimist, I open my mind to possibility...

For Neo,
Zeissman


A skeptic defaults to the position that it doesn't deserve belief until it can be reasonably proven, seen, smelled, tasted, heard, or touched.  That's not the same a pessimist, one who assumes the worst about everything. Of course, I suppose in the eye of a believer, assuming the worst and assuming nonexistence are one and the same, eh?

If you were as skeptic as you claim to be, then you would still be a bluepill. We've all taken our leaps of faith at one time.

That being said, I believe I was the one from EPN that said when asked about this matter, "Beware false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

Another point for my successful foresight track record.




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Zeissman wrote:
Neoteny wrote:

Oh, EPN...

I have been told by so many that I am wrong, that it is him, that he is returning, that I am wicked, for I do not believe.

Now you see why I never believed. Blinded are the faithful, not the skeptical.

-Neoteny

But you did once believe, my friend.  And who is stronger?  A man attacked for his beliefs time and again until he becomes hurt, and a skeptic?  Or a man attacked for his beliefs time and again, that remains faithful?

Which of the above do you believe Morpheus himself experienced within Zion?  Which of the above do you believe he will be looking for, when and if he returns?

I'd rather be an optimist than a skeptic.  At least if I'm an optimist, I open my mind to possibility...

For Neo,
Zeissman


Once upon a midnight dreary when Sun Tzu once would have claimed my head in no time, I believed. Then, I came to know myself, and found my own beliefs, I found that the burden of Morpheus's fate was lifted from me.

I was never hurt, never attacked for my beliefs, when I had them. Or, if I was, I have already forgotten them, for they never would have phased me. I merely had an epiphany, discovered my true purpose, and that Morpheus's seemed antithesis to mine. I put that ugliness behind me, and have decided to move on along my own path.

I am not concerned with Morpheus's return, if he indeed does return. Amid the smiles and cheers, I would be the one grimacing in the background, waiting to shout out "What's wrong with peace?"

In being perfectly honest, the one ridiculed for his beliefs in this situation was me. I believed it was not him, and stood by my beliefs, enduring the taunts of others that I was an unworthy unbeliever for my beliefs, or lack thereof.

But make no mistake, I am no pecimist. Merely a realist. One who is going to need proof before he believes that a "dead man" has come back to life.




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Archangel wrote:
Fatmop wrote:
Zeissman wrote:
Neoteny wrote:

Oh, EPN...

I have been told by so many that I am wrong, that it is him, that he is returning, that I am wicked, for I do not believe.

Now you see why I never believed. Blinded are the faithful, not the skeptical.

-Neoteny

But you did once believe, my friend.  And who is stronger?  A man attacked for his beliefs time and again until he becomes hurt, and a skeptic?  Or a man attacked for his beliefs time and again, that remains faithful?

Which of the above do you believe Morpheus himself experienced within Zion?  Which of the above do you believe he will be looking for, when and if he returns?

I'd rather be an optimist than a skeptic.  At least if I'm an optimist, I open my mind to possibility...

For Neo,
Zeissman


A skeptic defaults to the position that it doesn't deserve belief until it can be reasonably proven, seen, smelled, tasted, heard, or touched.  That's not the same a pessimist, one who assumes the worst about everything. Of course, I suppose in the eye of a believer, assuming the worst and assuming nonexistence are one and the same, eh?

If you were as skeptic as you claim to be, then you would still be a bluepill. We've all taken our leaps of faith at one time.

That being said, I believe I was the one from EPN that said when asked about this matter, "Beware false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

Another point for my successful foresight track record.


I'm not skeptical about everything Yah, just this kind of junk, and other suspicious things like it. You've got to admit EPN hasn't exactly had a good track record for "believing" things, though. And I'm quite sure it was the majority that either believed or hoped it was him. Nothing to be too embarassed about - a large number of Zionites believed it as well. But maybe it's time for those who did believe to recant and reconsider any positions they've taken that were influenced by this fake.

However, my statement shouldn't offend those who didn't blindly follow this charade (including yourself and Zeissman, as well as others, I'm sure). It was more a message to those who had an overconfidence in what is now readily apparent as the illusion it has always been. Not having at least a little bit of reasonable doubt about something like this proves them susceptible to deception, and they should take measures to ensure that they are not duped again.




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Has it occurred to anyone that we might be getting ahead of ourselves? We should wait and see where this goes.


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((Even though I'm a Cyph on my main, and having Morpheus back would've brought me a ton of hell, I would much rather have Morpheus back. I can't say this means he's gone completely, though))



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A step closer but still miles from the answer it seems. No matter we will find it soon enough.



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Mnemasyne wrote:

Another question that arises from this is how, assuming it is him, would he be in a position to get secure Zion ship records; those of the Nabonidus itself?

We definitely need to get to the bottom of this as Khepril said, Pluribus. Our work isn't done by any means.


It's very simple...but I will save you some time, and help you out with your 'work'.  The General could have gotten Zion ship records from when Zion was working with him.  I'm sure he had someone with the ability to hack into Zion's information systems.

Simple, 'eh? 

 

Illyria




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Illyria22 wrote:
Mnemasyne wrote:

Another question that arises from this is how, assuming it is him, would he be in a position to get secure Zion ship records; those of the Nabonidus itself?

We definitely need to get to the bottom of this as Khepril said, Pluribus. Our work isn't done by any means.


It's very simple...but I will save you some time, and help you out with your 'work'.  The General could have gotten Zion ship records from when Zion was working with him.  I'm sure he had someone with the ability to hack into Zion's information systems.

Simple, 'eh? 

 

Illyria

Right because the General just has so many resources to waste while the Machines are destroying his bases, tapping (and now shutting down) his network, and killing off his men in the real and the Matrix. Time to get a new theory because while it no longer apperas to be Morpheus the same can almost be said for the General these days.



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GamiSB wrote:
Illyria22 wrote:
Mnemasyne wrote:

Another question that arises from this is how, assuming it is him, would he be in a position to get secure Zion ship records; those of the Nabonidus itself?

We definitely need to get to the bottom of this as Khepril said, Pluribus. Our work isn't done by any means.


It's very simple...but I will save you some time, and help you out with your 'work'.  The General could have gotten Zion ship records from when Zion was working with him.  I'm sure he had someone with the ability to hack into Zion's information systems.

Simple, 'eh? 

 

Illyria

Right because the General just has so many resources to waste while the Machines are destroying his bases, tapping (and now shutting down) his network, and killing off his men in the real and the Matrix. Time to get a new theory because while it no longer apperas to be Morpheus the same can almost be said for the General these days.


I believe this particular theory pretains to a time before the Machines had launched an active campaign against the General, and were still in search of his base of operations as a mere side effort.

At that point, he had numerous commandos hacking numerous systems, including the Machines' (thank God we failed that mission...). It would be unsurprising if they did a little hacking into the Zion mainframe during their tenure with us.




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True however with the most recent sightings being during these operations conducted by the Machines (taped network, battle going on in the real ect.) the theory doesn't hold as much water as it used to when it first came up. Sadly the only way we will probably ever know if it was right or not is if once the General is dead the sightings stop.

Not saying it isn't possible, just saying it is slowly becomeing less and less likely to be true.


Message edited by GamiSB on 05/17/2007 15:08:21.

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As a Zionite who has been skeptical of the Morpheus sightings, I'm only glad that The Kid came up with a way to verify the origins of the signal before too many people were taken in by this tactic of distraction. 

But before other non-Zion orgs get too smug about this, I'd advise them to examine this lesson about human nature carefully and be warned.  The Machines need us to be willing to go along with this Truce, thus the hard sell, the attractive Agent, and - failing all else - the heavy artillery aimed up Zion's nose.  But behind all the subtle and not-so-subtle ways the Machines enforce this peace is the fear of the human spirit that they've always harbored.  The Machines know that, despite all their guns, all their propoganda, and all their One cycles, they can't completely conquer it, ever.  Pity, because perpetuating their parasitic existence would be so much easier if they could.  And when leaders like Morpheus arise who inspire us and rekindle the spirit of freedom, it just reminds them of their inability to completely crush us.

To which I say, "Neener, neener, neener."  Smugness, right back atcha.




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I would be lying if I said that this new revelation didn't make me sad.  These messages brought a lot of people hope and now that hope has disappeared again. 

The truth is, we don't know who is behind this.  Yeah, Morpheus could still be out there.  But we don't know who sent these messages or why.

Keep your eyes peeled, Zion.  Trust nobody.




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Well Illyria, I think we should remember that the simplest explanation may not always the correct one. I do think your theory is plausible, and I considered something similar myself upon getting word of this. However I think Gami may have a point about the likelihood of it playing out that way. Also, if the General was able to procure sensitive information like this, he could have done much more damage to Zion's systems a long time ago. Like every other answer we seek in and about the Matrix, we'll just have to see.


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I can't believe I missed this posting! HAHAHAHA at the gullible EPN! Poor fools, you are more ignorant than *WE* are suppose to be.
Message edited by Ebola on 05/17/2007 17:23:35.



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Ebola wrote:
I can't believe I missed this posting! HAHAHAHA at the gullible EPN! Poor fools, you are more ignorant than the *WE* are suppose to be.

Well, you were lead by a program for quite some time. I believe you are still the reigning champions.

 
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