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 06/13/2007 18:25:07
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Systemic Anomaly
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phi wrote:
To all the I told you so's... Whatever. It's not like everyone said you were wrong. What are you on about? Why can we only say 'we told you so' if everyone said we were wrong? That's why there was an argument. Sensible Machinists: The transmission is the General's doing. Others (mainly Zion & EPN): No it bloody isn't! More others: Well now, I've got another idea... Gradually people came round to our view (especially after they realised that the signal wasn't coming from the Real), but people did oppose our view. We're revelling in our redemption. Don't begrudge us that. If a new mystery comes around and you solve it before us, we won't stop you celebrating. And it's not as if we're posting new threads about it and writing in eight foot high letters.
Message edited by Procurator on 06/13/2007 18:26:23.
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 06/13/2007 19:55:30
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Systemic Anomaly
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((I still hold my stance that this in reality this would not have been possible as the Machines had cripled if not deactivated all networks the general had access to. Maintaing and giveing the SIM orders all while defending a stronghold under heavy attack? Not happening, but I guess this is where you have to suspend your disbelife and what not and jsut go with it. Nice call guys.))
Message edited by GamiSB on 06/13/2007 19:55:53.
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 06/13/2007 20:14:07
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Jacked Out
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((I figure the sim either just runs on its programming, or was briefed on a regular basis in a similar manner as we just saw, but not so out in the open. Now that the General's infrastructure is fubar'd it'd be impossible to keep that up, which would explain why the sim seemed increasingly confused and disoriented the past few times it's been encountered. I feel like it's probably just been kind of on it's own while the General deals with his increasingly desperate situation, and perhaps thats what gave it the time to start to think and make it's own choices. I'm definently looking forward to seeing this Sim's story unfold now that it's free.))
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 06/13/2007 20:23:20
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Jacked Out
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Well, that seemed...convenient. Which to me says there may be more to this than you think...
Eh-heh, this could be interesting to see how it plays out.
And I think we know all too well that the General's no fool.
We have shown on numerous occasions that we are easily manipulated.
Perhaps he's out there, laughing at us as the next piece moves into place.
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 06/13/2007 23:15:59
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Perceptive Mind
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Back to the original question... Is Morpheus dead or alive? So much time and effort spent learning nothing of the truth about the real Morpheus.
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 06/14/2007 04:01:44
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Systemic Anomaly
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(( What Cesspool said. I agree that controlling the sim on a regular basis would be next to impossible with the General' infrastructure crumbling around him, but I think the unravelling of the transmission's dubious authenticity (the signal not coming from the Real, the sim being tracked down and followed, etc.) coincided with the General losing all his assets. He lost control, and everything fell apart. In other words: the General sucks. ))
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 06/14/2007 04:46:37
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Systemic Anomaly
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The sim was an obvious plant but its behaviour at the end was unexpected. (why MxO continues to background and misuse one of the pivotal characters that defines the Matrix is beyond me entirely, Morpheus' presence is needed to lead the plot, to engender the connection to movies, to give us non zion someone we need to eliminate, to welcome players into the matrix, its the best sellling tool the story has and the most perfect and logical focal point around which it can creatively expand - about the last thing we need is some 'Morpheus but not Morpheus' sim wandering about!)
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 06/14/2007 05:02:24
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Tytanya_MxO wrote:
The sim was an obvious plant but its behaviour at the end was unexpected. (why MxO continues to background and misuse one of the pivotal characters that defines the Matrix is beyond me entirely, Morpheus' presence is needed to lead the plot, to engender the connection to movies, to give us non zion someone we need to eliminate, to welcome players into the matrix, its the best sellling tool the story has and the most perfect and logical focal point around which it can creatively expand - about the last thing we need is some 'Morpheus but not Morpheus' sim wandering about!) Agreed. If Morpheus just so happens to be actually possibly still alive then bring him back and be done with all this dragging on crap It's getting like a tv show with dipping ratings 
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 06/14/2007 05:27:12
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Systemic Anomaly
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((...I missed it and to be honest I dont care, and damnit if they keep the Morpheus sim ...I am sorry but thts just a silyl way to bring him back))
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 06/14/2007 10:03:06
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Femme Fatale
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Nobody seems to be following the General's orders anymore... Illyria
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 06/14/2007 10:26:33
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Femme Fatale
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Illyria22 wrote:
Nobody seems to be following the General's orders anymore... Illyria
What a shame Illyria. ; ) It's just to bad that the frenchman didn't get to stow him away for a rainy day.
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 06/14/2007 10:57:14
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Ascendent Logic
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The Sim, a sim like this, does not rely on remote control so much as to be dependend on a static system. This sim is much more like a own organism, an exile if you will. Though, programmed as a soldier (commando programming as a basis I guess), the mission it was given was to copy an individual with strong characteristics in human interaction, leadership, etc. To fulfill the mission it was given, there was no other choice than to get as close to the copy as possible. If the sim hadn't it would have been recognized long ago. But by ignoring security (a certain distance to ensure safety for the original programming) the sim inevitably was tainted by the mission and became the mission... Morpheus. Although still independend, the sim now was more obliged to fulfill the role than the commands it was given. A true Exile was born. Although the appearance is misleading and the truth that, like us, the simulacrum knows that it isn't Morpheus, it will be hard for it to stay an Exile. The unbearing parallels between Morpheus and the Simulacrum will force the Machines to remove it, while the Merovingian will, although the past with Morpheus isn't a good one, try to get a new "pet". The EPN of course will also try to take the Simulacrum, for various reasons. Zion, I don't know what the High Counsil will order in this case. And the CYPHS? Veil will probably try to kill him, while Cryptos will try to get a chance to talk to him, for the old times, even though it's not Morpheus. Of course, that's just my point of view.
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 06/14/2007 12:25:17
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Systemic Anomaly
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((What Im hoping for will happen: A)Morpheus eventually comes back and has a battle with the Morpheus Sim to determine who is the real deal. B) Morpheus Sim gets implanted into Cryptos, bad stuff happens. C) Morpheus Sim because the next Smith Virus. C part 2) Next anniversery event Smith fights the Morpheus Virus to determine who the better virus is! (go Smith! Woo!) D) The Morpheus Sim and the Kid get married. ))
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 06/14/2007 12:32:01
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Transcendent
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"Usually a program chooses exile when it faces deletion...a program can either choose to hide in the Matrix, or return to the Source." ~Oracle A simulacra in a simulated world developing the ability to choose. Interesting . I guess the big question now is Does a Sim of Morpheus go as far as the Real Morpheus now that its found it's purpose? Coding at its best or coding at its worst? Time will tell.
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 06/14/2007 12:37:52
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Vindicator
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Tytanya_MxO wrote:
(why MxO continues to background and misuse one of the pivotal characters that defines the Matrix is beyond me entirely, Morpheus' presence is needed to lead the plot, to engender the connection to movies, to give us non zion someone we need to eliminate, to welcome players into the matrix, its the best sellling tool the story has and the most perfect and logical focal point around which it can creatively expand - about the last thing we need is some 'Morpheus but not Morpheus' sim wandering about!) (( Hear hear...that is perfectly stated. ))
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