Nuking of 01

**Denary**

898989 wrote:

GypsyJuggler wrote:
898989 wrote:
Radiation does not cause heat from what I've herd Oo .... The heat from the atomic bomb, comes from the energy that is released from the splitting/fusion of the atoms, and THAT would grill the machines... But I don't think that the radiation that "flies around" in the area after the explosion exposes any heat.
Radiation. Heat that 'flies around' is called radiation.

eer... thank you for that but I only wanted to explain to GG that the radiation after the explosion would not have "grilled" the machines, but the HEAT that gets released from the fusion or splitting of the atoms would have.

Fusion is 2 atoms coming together, Splitting of atoms is called Fission mate SMILEY

**Gerik**

MetaLogic wrote:

In the Animatrix, mankind nuked 01 several time to try to get rid of the machines. The narrator said that the machines weren't affected because they weren't as frail as the humans. I mean I can understand that, I can buy that. However, machines are electrical devices, and any nuclear blast will have an EMP explosion. How did the machines survive the EMP blast? I know one theory is that they have optical wiring which isn't affected by an EMP blast, but if that's true, then how come they didn't put them in the squiggy?

Pilots... Learn2Aim, thank you. SMILEY

lol Maybe they missed.

07/20/2007 02:02:31

pack-hunter wrote:

898989 wrote:
GypsyJuggler wrote:
898989 wrote:
Radiation does not cause heat from what I've herd Oo .... The heat from the atomic bomb, comes from the energy that is released from the splitting/fusion of the atoms, and THAT would grill the machines... But I don't think that the radiation that "flies around" in the area after the explosion exposes any heat.
Radiation. Heat that 'flies around' is called radiation.

eer... thank you for that but I only wanted to explain to GG that the radiation after the explosion would not have "grilled" the machines, but the HEAT that gets released from the fusion or splitting of the atoms would have.
Fusion is 2 atoms coming together, Splitting of atoms is called Fission mate

Yes and a atomic bomb can either be triggered by a FUSION or a SPLITTING/FISSION of the Atom(s)

Croesis · 07/24/2007 09:47:36

It is my understanding that EMP does not effect electrical systems if they are shielded by even a thin piece of metal ie. a Faraday cage, as previously mentioned. Knowing the past history of man, these precautions would have been designed from very early on. Also remember that the Machines were on the forefront of technology and economy (the reason why Humans attacked in the first place) Even if they didn't have alloys that could withstand large amounts of heat, they could easily repair the infrastructure. Radiation would have a negligible effect on a Machines systems but is cumulative so that effects would increase (degradation of circuitry etc...) but easily and quickly repaired.

**Vallant**

Just why were they stupid enough to declare war on an technologically superior, physically and mentally superior being is the better question... Especially when said beings sought peace... Twice...

Anyway, I love the irony (if that's the right term) of that Squid in the United Nations end of Second rennaisence... Nuke 'em back, go on boy you know you want to! =D

Eyes0nly · 08/29/2007 02:38:58

Ok, going back to the idea that the machines had the technology to be unefected by the emp effect of an A bomb. Then someone asked why the squiggies were effected by the ships emp blasts. Perhaps it was another form of control by the machines. The machines relied on the cycle of the one to keep the matrix going. If the humans had no weapon against the machines, they probably wouldnt have lasted long enough to get the one out of the matrix and to the source. The machines couldnt just not send anything against the humans, it had to seem as though the machines just wanted them all dead. So the machines made the sentinals vaulnerable to emp blasts.

**Vallant**

Could have simply gone underground...

Could also be a much more stronger, better EMP device now?

Zion also seemed to only have EMP's on their ships not the city, so it could be classified as a low level threat. Plus all EMP'd machines happened to be revived during the attack on Zion iirc, or the digger was anyway...

And I'm probably wrong on this but, isn't it possible to avoid EMP-fried brains by simply switching the machines off? or something similiar I forget...

Chemuel

EMP Shielding is SUPER EASY. Dr. Foxo even has a Handy Guide on how to EMP-proof your hovercraft.

thejedi7

MetaLogic wrote:

In the Animatrix, mankind nuked 01 several time to try to get rid of the machines. The narrator said that the machines weren't affected because they weren't as frail as the humans. I mean I can understand that, I can buy that. However, machines are electrical devices, and any nuclear blast will have an EMP explosion. How did the machines survive the EMP blast? I know one theory is that they have optical wiring which isn't affected by an EMP blast, but if that's true, then how come they didn't put them in the squiggy?

Are you suggesting the Matrix Mainframe is run by Fiber Optic? If it was, there must have been some part of the matrix that was affected(The wires may have broke because of the Explosions), possible matrix damage could include the rapid deteroriation of Westview's Code. And the reason Sentinels aren't equipped with Fiber Optic is because it would mean Dragging around Many Miles of Fiber Optic cable in order to stay connected to Deus Ex Machina(The Source), Making them suceptible to Breakdown(Cable being damaged by scratching against Pipes),Unable to attack Zion(Cable wouldnt be long enough, they'd need a lot of cable which would probably pile up and block the pipes) and highly Vunerable(All the Hovercraft have to do is snap the cable), so Fiber Optic Sentinels would be Impractical, Useless, a waste of power and rescources in all. And besides, Sentinels are programmed to Hunt down Zion Hovercraft and destroy Them, if they were Fiber Optic, they would be too slow to hunt(Dragging along Hundreds of kilo's of Cable), and too vunerable to Destroy Hovercraft(Like i said, all the crew have to do is snap the cable), thats a lot of sacrifice just to proect Sentinels from Emp, and Zion would remove EMP's from Hovercrafts, and add other weapons(Like More Ballistic Turrets, or More Living Quarters and Uplink Chairs).

Croesis · 10/09/2008 03:58:50

I think the OP was talking about the nuking of 01 before the Matrix was created, when mankind was still a global power with resources and capability to do it. Machines now wouldn't need the protection because Mankind does not have access to nuclear technology in the real and they wouldn't get close enough to the Matrix mainframe or the Machine city to set it off with any real destruction. Thats why EMP's are so affective against sentinels, but the hovercraft gets one shot with it and if they don't take out all the sentinels that are after them with it then they need to start praying.

Machines back during the war may have been cabled up inside with fibrop wiring and EMP shielding at least in the most important Machines and infrastructure anyway. The main issue would still be the physical destructive effects of the nukes.