The Sniper Tree needs a Nerf!!!

Doondoon

The Sniper tree is way overpowered.

i was dueling a friend of mine who has the sniper tree.

each time he shot me it did 600 dmg im a lvl 50 Kung fu GM and it still did 600 now thw fact that a Sniper can aculy contend against an MA says right there it needs a nerf.

Not only that the Sniper range is 1 mile.

Sniper is ment to be used from a bridge or from a small building.

Now with a range of 1 mile and dmg of 600 per shot besides that there are abilities that do 1200 dmg kinda looks like Sniper is over powered.

im not the only one who sees sniper like this...

**ZippyTheSquirrel**

*CENSORED*

Sniper is okay right where's it's at.

Doondoon wrote:

The Sniper tree is way overpowered. It's supposed to be strong.

i was dueling a friend of mine who has the sniper tree. Snipers shouldn't be dueling! O.o

each time he shot me it did 600 dmg im a lvl 50 Kung fu GM and it still did 600 now thw fact that a Sniper can aculy contend against an MA says right there it needs a nerf. Oh, boo-hoo, you can't pwn Snipers anymore. Upgrade your Attributes.

Not only that the Sniper range is 1 mile. It's less than 30 meters.

Sniper is ment to be used from a bridge or from a small building. I use it wherever.

Now with a range of 1 mile and dmg of 600 per shot besides that there are abilities that do 1200 dmg kinda looks like Sniper is over powered. It's not. You suck.

im not the only one who sees sniper like this... You are. Sorry. You lose, good day sir!

Obitus_

What mr zippy said.

creoto

1) yes its supposed to be strong, but with limitations...why not just bump the per hit damage up to 3000 then? o wait...assassin is ment to be strong too! lets bump that up to 3000 too!! but no..limitations people (obviously u have none judging by your post)

2) yes snipers shouldnt be dueling, the problem is that sniper is being blended with other trees and now they are dueling. and therefore this must be rectified by a balancing of the tree.

3) ummm perhaps if sniper wasnt overpowered, he wouldnt have to specialize his stats specificaly against snipers. i dont know any other class that you would be wiser to specialize your stats against rather then set your stats for your own tree.

4) um 30 meters is still WAY too long. thats like me being able to punt from the mara c HL to the church and add stun to that mix as well. again overpowered.

5) the problem is that you can use it whenever. at least assassins have to sneak behidn their opponent where they can be detected and blocked. but snipers? noooo go wild! run around...shoot from wherever you feel is most comfortable for you and dont worry about being detected or anything...because the system doesnt render that far away on max graphix!

6) hrm...he sucks...or your uneducated...we have no evidence of him sucking and actualy the contrary if you ask people who have dueled him...yet your lack of education runs rampant through your post.

7) glad to say he isnt the only one, i agree with im as do a throng of others. im sure your immaturity and lack of respect have added to our numbers as well. enjoy being the cause of your own nerfing.

perhaps you think sniper isnt overpowered due to judging it by your own skills..that would explain A LOT. it might actualy seem a little underpowered if thats your scale.

Message Edited by creoto on 06.03.2006 08:42 AM
Message edited by creoto on 06/03/2006 07:42:38.

Mustang

Basic things required for someone to hit you, consistently, with Sniper Shot for high damage:

1) Line-Up the Shot (On a timer)
2) Firearms Expertise (On a timer)
3) Conceal (On a timer; must be at least 5 meters away from target and not get hit by anything)
4) Attempt the Sniper Shot (extremely long timer)

Basic things required for you to hit someone, consistently, with Extreme Falling Kick for high damage:

1) Interlock
2) Martial Arts Expertise / Click Extreme Falling Kick(since you can put an ability in your queue AND activate Martial Arts Expertise at the same time, they get the same "step")

Mmm....

I declare that EFK and MA in general is too strong and needs to be nerfed!

If you're getting beaten by a Sniper in a duel, here's a few things that you need to do:

A) Get 30 meters from your opponent; that's the range for Sniper Shot.
B) Hit him while you can still see him concealed, any bit of damage will break his conceal.
C) Keep your distance close to him to keep him from going into conceal.

Message Edited by Musutangu on 06.03.2006 10:52 AM
Message edited by Mustang on 06/03/2006 07:52:25.

**Beanno**

if hes hitting you for 600 free fire consistently u might wanna check your ballistic resistance, i get hit with firearms expert the most they do is around 420-430

Seperioth

Losing to sniper is REALLY bad. Sry. Sniper is perfect where it is. Its not meant for dueling. Ive seen sniper and rifle loaded together which is an uber LO if used properly. If your taking that much damage you need to change stats, get BR and learn how to IL him faster.

I seriously thought this thread was a joke thread. Next your going to be complaining UM is overpowered *rollseyes*. Grow up.

**RemagDiv**

This is the first thread that I totally disagree with.

1. If you are a level 50 MA and losing to a Sniper in a duel, you area bad MA. Period.

2. 600 damage? Do you have 0 Ballistic resistance or something?

and as others pointed out, Sniper Shot takes a considerable long time to set up and pull off, and by time you're ready for the shot, your opponent can move away rendering you useless, so it takes time and patience, and a good spot to effectively snipe a target, and it even has a chance to miss anyway.

Where are you getting 600 damage from? People who have good resistance, I usually hit them for 250-300 damage with a Power shot.

Sniper is fine where it is. It's the perfect support class and crowd control.

creoto

the main problem is the safety aspect sniper gives. u run out of hte 30 meter range....*CENSORED* r u gonna do? win the duel by waiting until he gets tired and gives up? i think the damage is fine, but the range at which you can do it is flawed. with assassin..u punt..u become unsneaked...ur taken down by about 10 ppl before u can hyperjump and ur rooted by 4 others. with sniper..u snipe...a few people notice you and hj to u cuz no one has a 30 meter long attack...u see it...u hj away. the onli way a sniper can be taken out is if its done by suprise...while assassin, ur jumping into the zerg and hoping for an oppurtunity to hyperjump out which u rarely get. and might i add that it was mave that was doing the crazi damage with the sniper...i also spoke with another sniper and she stated that 600 is the minimum damage she does.

in regards to dueling, the problem isnt sniper alone...sniper alone is relativly weak. its when sniper is used along with another ability that has root. you root your opponent...run behind a dumpster and conceal...pop out..BAM snipe..pop back into duelist mode and finish the jop until you can snipe again. and if you want to see what a sniper can do in a duel..ask mave to load his sniper and duel him. you will learn your lesson fast.

Message Edited by creoto on 06.03.2006 10:15 AM

Message Edited by creoto on 06.03.2006 10:16 AM
Message edited by creoto on 06/03/2006 09:16:51.

Venatrix.

Clearly this is a case where Sniper is being used along with other Gunman trees. It's already been pointed out that Sniper isn't effective in a duel when used alone. The person you were dueling most likely had abilities from the Duelist, SMG's, and Rifleman trees as well as Sniper.

Also, there are many abilities from many trees that do upwards of 1,000 damage. In CR 2.0, that is not uncommon. Pistol Whip from the Duelist tree, for example, can easily do 1,000+ damage.

So I ask you a few questions:

1) You say you're a Kung Fu GM. Do you mix your MA trees to maximize your damage output and increase your effectiveness?

2) Are your damage resistances as high as possible, or at least nearing the 200 range?

3) Do you seriously believe that just because you lose in a duel, the opposing tree needs a nerf?

**RemagDiv**

creoto wrote:

the main problem is the safety aspect sniper gives. u run out of hte 30 meter range....*CENSORED* r u gonna do? win the duel by waiting until he gets tired and gives up? i think the damage is fine, but the range at which you can do it is flawed. with assassin..u punt..u become unsneaked...ur taken down by about 10 ppl before u can hyperjump and ur rooted by 4 others. with sniper..u snipe...a few people notice you and hj to u cuz no one has a 30 meter long attack...u see it...u hj away. the onli way a sniper can be taken out is if its done by suprise...while assassin, ur jumping into the zerg and hoping for an oppurtunity to hyperjump out which u rarely get. and might i add that it was mave that was doing the crazi damage with the sniper...i also spoke with another sniper and she stated that 600 is the minimum damage she does.

Sorry, but that's how it's intended. Sniper's are long range fighters, just like in real life. Do you see snipers in the military fight in close combat? Snipers are meant to be away from the fight, supporting covering fire. If they are seen, they hyper jump away and pick a new location to snipe from.

I also use Rifleman with Sniper, so I can take some 1 on 1 combat, however I cannot last against a good MA, or against a crowd of people.

**krytical**

Don't feed the trolls.

**RemagDiv**

krytical wrote:
Don't feed the trolls.

QFT.

I assume this thread was made out of pure frustration, about a few minutes after he lost a duel with one. Happens all the time. SMILEY

AvenNigera

Sniper is not overpowered? lolz
If a MA is loosing agains sniper/rifleman he dont need to be ashamed. But a sniper loosing MA should be real ashamed. Im not speakin of a Duel, im speakin of PvP.
show me one MA abilitie about lvl 30 which does 800 dmg. even if the opponent has full resistance.
And as sniper u dont need to risk ure life, u just shoot from range and if someone bother u, u can jump away or something like that.
Its way more overpowered than Ballista was before CR2.

Dont try to argument with: "Ma does more dmg."
A MA has to be in close to do that, and not in 30m away! And even if he is, the Rifleman/sniper abis do much more dmg. for less IS.
This has to be nerfed.
There are some players with skill using it, but most of em are just noobs, using it cause its overpowered.

Message Edited by AvenNigera on 06.03.2006 11:09 AM
Message edited by AvenNigera on 06/03/2006 10:09:22.

**ZippyTheSquirrel**

Ho hum.

Sniper WAS nerfed recently! Before the patch that nerfed it we could use Escape And Evasion to run around stealthed until we can Conceal safely, regardless of the damage we take! Now it breaks on any damage at all! > SMILEY

The biggest balance/check here is the Concealment factor. You HAVE to be Concealed to use Sniper Abilites. You CANNOT MOVE while Concealed. Thus, any idiot could just move out of range, wait for the sniper to attempt E&E to get closer, and run right up and pwn the poor **bleep**. If you can't use this tactic...then you're an idiot.

/jedihandwave That is all.