When Smith Becomes Oracle

**Zerotolerance**

Vinia wrote:

BandaAncha wrote:
Vinia wrote:
Also, what does Deus Ex Machina do to Neo's body after Smith overwrites him?
thats the mistery that drives the game

I meant the pulse that shocks Neo's body when it's been overwritten.... is it meant to resuscitate Neo's mind inside Smith. You can see why it's easy for people to speculate that the Deus Ex Machina could use the connection with Neos body to destroy Smith as its a direct connection....

Think in terms of software.

Smith is a virus and that much as been established. He eats up other programs, copying himself over them. Imagine if all of the icons on your desktop assumed the same pathname, one by one, spreading adjacently. You'd get the same program no matter what you clicked, over time. Neo was an anti-virus, or so that capability existed within his code. If you think about what happened in terms of more than just one aspect, both software in the physical (cyber?) realm and beliefs in the mind (including Smith's mind) played a part in how the events unfolded.

Paying attention to the little tidbit where Smith says "I'm not sure exactly how it happens... perhaps a part of you copied on to me," we can come up with theories as to how this came to be, but it was no doubt the Oracle's hand. As the Architect said, "You played a dangerous game." The Oracle expected Neo to destroy Smith, and that triggered the virus aspect. That's where the second aspect comes in... Smith was designed for a purpose, but somewhere along the lines he became a virus. It may have been a part of the programming, but I'd like to think that in witnessing Neo dying and coming back to life, he refused to obey his own programming. He wanted to live as well, much as Neo wanted to live... Equally, they both wanted to live. Only Smith's purpose at that point was no longer aligned with the System. He'd stopped doing what he was meant to do. Although not in service to the Merovingian, his Agent-like abilities were no longer isolated and he was for all intents and purposes and Exile. Which would also explain why the Agent intervened, only to be assimilated by the Smith programming.

In all, I believe that in the moment of the shockwave and Neo's body spasming in the Real is Neo dying. For Neo to be alive after all this time would negate any sacrifice he made. It would cheapen the saga for Neo or Smith to have survived. I think with that you might understand my opinion of the anniversary event we had this past year. If Smith is alive and not mere remnants, this means Neo is alive. Therefore the Matrix hasn't been reset and the Machines are entirely out of control with the current storyline...

Despite how hard the System tries, if we view what's happened up until now it's been steadily going downhill for the Machines...

For what it's worth, I wonder what would've happened if Neo hadn't called Deus Ex Machina's bluff when it said they didn't need him. Would Smith have overrun the Source or would they have stopped Smith and destroy Zion? At this point it looks like that would've been the better decision.

**PS10N**

"At this point in the story, Neo stands on the verge of satori, ready to resolve the paradox of choice and choicelessness, of free will vs. fate, but that can only be achieved through an act of surrender, which occurs after he has abandoned the perspectile nature of truth, accepting the totality of present consciousness, which ultimately allows an evolutionary transition, transcending the Cartesian dilemma through the emergence of delimited spirit, which then provides the world with the choice of a third path, the path of Neo, the path of peace." - Larry Wachowski

**Zerotolerance**

Vinia wrote:

Surfel wrote:
For an interesting theory on what was going on, go and check out www.matrixresolutions.com

That site counters your theory, I know because it was one of the sources I used in my research. Check out Cancelling Opposites under the Debunked section....

In which this quote occurs:
'Smith would have been smart enough to know that such a thing would happen if cancellation alone could destroy him, being the ultimate computer virus that is able to think and make decisions to ensure its own survival (and also having taken over every other program in the Matrix, including the Oracle!). Oracle-Smith definitely would have foreseen such a predictable way to die. But not even Oracle-Smith could foresee his own death when it is caused by Neo's non-understood decision to give himself up (see Smith: Smith's Defeat). Not only that, but if the Oracle knew Smith is Neo's opposite, certainly Smith would know too since he copied over the Oracle.'

In the 'Smith's Defeat' section this comment is present:
'So, Smith's mere connection to the Source through Neo-Smith was not enough to get Smith deleted: deletion had to be chosen. If all the Smiths were merely "connected" to the Source in the end (without Neo's choice preceding it), then all the Smiths would just be dumped into Mobil Avenue as exiles (and probably get right back into the Matrix if one of them is Trainman-Smith). Remember, even though Smith is a virus, he is still an exile who can choose not to be deleted over and over again, if necessary.
Just as the system began to delete Neo-Smith, Oracle-Smith said, "Oh, no, no, no. No, it's not fair." Now we know why: Oracle-Smith doesn't think it's fair that he has to share Neo's sacrifice just because Neo chose it for himself'

Now I'm not saying that the author is correct but, as the end wasn't explained by the Wachowski's and as it is down to the individual watching the films to make their own decisions and conclusions, you cannot say that it is wrong either. If there is some other evidence apart from the mathematical part then I am willing to hear it. It's been an interesting time researching about this, I feel that my eyes have been opened a little more than before.

We're thinking way too much in terms of our OWN software, though...

Some knowledge may not be accessible. These are complex programs with many attributes from appearance variables down to speech, moods, etc. What if their knowledge had certain restrictions or firewalls? It's possible that the Oracle had barriers between all of her vast knowledge and the things that were left for Smith to discover? Perhaps he copied over her appearance and some rudimentary databases, but not some of the more unique details? He may have eaten up her resources and some things were hungrily deleted in the process? Programs within the Matrix are far too complex and the Oracle has precognitive abilities, routines and subroutines, that the Smith program may not have even been able to process or understand.

From what we did see, we could probably assume that the Oracle gave Smith the complete code of The One. He and Neo were truly equal in that final battle, afterall.

**Zerotolerance**

PS10N wrote:

"At this point in the story, Neo stands on the verge of satori, ready to resolve the paradox of choice and choicelessness, of free will vs. fate, but that can only be achieved through an act of surrender, which occurs after he has abandoned the perspectile nature of truth, accepting the totality of present consciousness, which ultimately allows an evolutionary transition, transcending the Cartesian dilemma through the emergence of delimited spirit, which then provides the world with the choice of a third path, the path of Neo, the path of peace." - Larry Wachowski

I heard that one of the W's was a transvestite and that's why Neo wore a cassock. Wonder how much truth there is to that rumor.

**PS10N**

Watch their first film "Bound" if you want more along those lines.

**GamiSB** · 12/27/2007 00:06:37

Zerotolerance wrote:

PS10N wrote:
"At this point in the story, Neo stands on the verge of satori, ready to resolve the paradox of choice and choicelessness, of free will vs. fate, but that can only be achieved through an act of surrender, which occurs after he has abandoned the perspectile nature of truth, accepting the totality of present consciousness, which ultimately allows an evolutionary transition, transcending the Cartesian dilemma through the emergence of delimited spirit, which then provides the world with the choice of a third path, the path of Neo, the path of peace." - Larry Wachowski

I heard that one of the W's was a transvestite and that's why Neo wore a cassock. Wonder how much truth there is to that rumor.

~~First part is a yes/sorta. Larry is now Lana or whatever girl named he picked after the operation.~~ The second part....idk, looked kick *CENSORED* either way.

*edit*
Scratch that. Aparently it was just a rumor started cuse they dont do interviews xP

**Croesis**

Hehe! I think this is getting way off topic now! Even the Neo Vs Smith debate was veering off topic as the question was about why Oracle-Smith starts laughing after Smith overwrites the Oracle!

**Zerotolerance**

Vinia wrote:

Hehe! I think this is getting way off topic now! Even the Neo Vs Smith debate was veering off topic as the question was about why Oracle-Smith starts laughing after Smith overwrites the Oracle!

True.

Well, my two cents on that in the reader's digest, shortened version is this: Smith sees with the Oracle's eyes. This means he's opened to more incredible powurz as a result. It could also be that he does in fact see the end, as it's supposed to happen, but only saw it through to his own desires. He saw himself winning. Or so he thought.

**PS10N**

If anyone can expound on my "satori of sati" comment far above, you can come sit at our midsummer fire and stare into the void with us.