GreyMountain wrote:

You're the people that call us terrorists.  We were simply conforming to your beliefs.  Our little "stunt" caused no issues.  Rarebit kicked us soon enough (as he says, its hard to miss a Gold Tag where it shouldn't be).  I then logged onto my alt to go to the meeting.  Not to cause trouble, but the participate.  The two characters can't be put in the same boat just because my main is EPN.  As I've said before, and will say again, my alt is Machine.  The player behind them should not be a prerequisite for attending.  At no point did Rarebit say "Players main has to be Machine."  He said the character had to have the required rep.

Now I'm going to leave this thread now before I say something that gets me the ban stick.

The fact that you got booted showed, to me at least, that you were doing something or attempting something that causes an issue. At the very least that you as the player, not as the character, were showing a willing to cause a disruption and as I said earlier, Rarebit has every right to deny access if a player was previously intentionally causing problems and believes s/he may continue to do so. So no the player behind a character isn't a prerequisite unless said player was causing a disruption previously.

Enge1 wrote:

You planned to provoke people. "Let's see if we get through with this". It didn't work - nothing bad happened, you just weren't invited. Now you come to the forums and blame random people for what happened.

Not quite.  But then again you Cyphs never could keep track of things.  Perhaps you should through more carefully.

Anyway I shouldn't be here...

GreyMountain wrote:

Not quite.  But then again you Cyphs never could keep track of things.  Perhaps you should through more carefully.

Anyway I shouldn't be here...

Lol, you say you don't want to be treated like your main character but as a player, yet you are willing to do so to others.

gf

GreyMountain wrote:

 

Yasamuu wrote:

Would probably be a good idea to go back to school and learn how to read, because if you read the previous posts in the thread it's got absolutely *nothing* to do with favouritsm. Infact, it's about names as you addressed in the first part of your post, so maybe you actually did read it correctly and are now just trying to cause trouble/grab attention? Really, don't get where favouritsm comes into a simple organisational meeting but I'm not brushed up on the latest conspiracy theories.

The idea of favourtism could come from the fact that Rarebit has said people with names using a 'I' instead of 'l' is awkward and he'll not teleport someone he can't type out.  Do along comes Dulux with the "trick I" and Rarebit happily tries the name twice.  Yet the character with a random name (no "trick I" I might add) didn't even get the one attempt needed to type his name out.  Its one rule for some and one rule for the others.

I'll say that again. 

Dulux - two attempts at porting

Random name - No attempt.  Just one attempt would have sufficed.

Now I'm going to leave this thread now before I say something that gets me the ban stick.

My name on Recursion has a capital i besides L, I think if Rarebit sees that the L didnt work, and its just ONE simple letter, he can easily say to himself "oh, its an i instead" and make the port then, which would be alot easier then trying to port asdfgasdfgrwsdxvb, IMO.

GreyMountain wrote:

The idea of favourtism could come from the fact that Rarebit has said people with names using a 'I' instead of 'l' is awkward and he'll not teleport someone he can't type out.  Do along comes Dulux with the "trick I" and Rarebit happily tries the name twice.  Yet the character with a random name (no "trick I" I might add) didn't even get the one attempt needed to type his name out.  Its one rule for some and one rule for the others.

I'll say that again. 

Dulux - two attempts at porting

Random long keyboard mash of letters of a character name apparently on the same account which got booted previously for disruption in the form of intentionally circumventing the org locks  - No attempt.

Fixed, oh and if a player creates and alt to go to the meetings and they're worried that Rarebit won't be able to figure out the spelling a simple lower case version in the details would suffice. As an example only, in Dulux's case it would be something like this

Background

(duiux)

Ok, so I do understand where you're coming from with the point thats being made here but lets be honest here, you guys knew this would cause trouble so you went through with it. There's an obvious line thats crossed with a name, imo and it surely isn't hard to come up with a much more legible name.

Like I said, I can get the POV and where you're coming from, there's likely to be a grey area with names (though it seems to have been cleared up), but ultimately when people start saying in area chat 'It's an alt of a syntax machinist', the arguement goes downhill because that was a lie and why would it be said that the player behind the character was a machinist on syntax if he wasn't? Well, possibly because it was a guilty arguement on your guys behalf, you knew you were doing something shady.

I wonder if my alt, Garuk, will be able to attend the Merv meeting. lol

Gerik wrote:

I wonder if my alt, Garuk, will be able to attend the Merv meeting. lol

 

I think so, if its like.. lvl 5 or whatever. My EPN alt on Vector is ChloeAnnn... does that mean I won't be able to go? :O Ive been EPN over there for a long time lol

ChloeAnn wrote:

Gerik wrote:

I wonder if my alt, Garuk, will be able to attend the Merv meeting. lol

 

I think so, if its like.. lvl 5 or whatever. My EPN alt on Vector is ChloeAnnn... does that mean I won't be able to go? :O Ive been EPN over there for a long time lol

Yeah, my character is level 40. I'd goto a Zion meeting, but most of them are just morons, tbh.

Lol, I'm sure you both wont have any problems as far as Rarebit would be concerned as long as you don't cause any issues prior to or during the meeting. There may be a bit of hassle from some immature players but they're /ignorable.

Vinia wrote:

Lol, I'm sure you both wont have any problems as far as Rarebit would be concerned as long as you don't cause any issues prior to or during the meeting. There may be a bit of hassle from some immature players but they're /ignorable.

I dunno Im scared now lol. Dun wanna go to a meeting to be left behind, I'd QQ (as garu said). Not really.. I can always just grind another player to lvl 6.. maybe continue to level it, who knows!

This was the first "New Approach" meting, so like every first time you do something  can have problems/difficulties and any sort of trouble.

After sayng this,

1) For the next time can we have more detailed rules to follow?

2) There will be a report of what happened on the meeting? (something like we see in LE forum)

Fen wrote:

Are you saying that a player should only be limited to one meeting?  The player is not a member of an org.  A character is, however.  That's something Recursion Machinists can't really seem to grasp, unfortunately.  Not a poke at you, Garu...  just an observation I've had over the years.

If you have a main character that is Merovingian, for example, the player is automatically labeled a Merv and there are many that just can't seem to see the fact that the player is just a player.

It's like saying in World of Warcraft that you shouldn't be able to experience Horde content if your main character is in the Alliance.  Bad example here, but it works.

Oh, no.  I've always believed that there is a distinction between the player and their characters.  In fact, I think it'd be a waste not to be in more than one organization.  Afterall, we have 9 character slots.  It'd a shame not to experience as much as we can for our $15. 

However, in this case, I can't be sympathetic.  That could be mainly out of biase but I'll explain as best I can.  A character is only worth what the player puts into it.  Frankly, I think that level 5 is pretty gracious of a standard.  That's probably not fair given that not everyone has the time to devote to things but it's my honest opinion on it.  I feel that if someone places time and effort into developing a character to be part of an org, then they deserve to be included.  If its a character that meets bare minimum standards and isn't even valued enough to be given a proper name, then leave it outside.

Yasamuu wrote:

Ok, so I do understand where you're coming from with the point thats being made here but lets be honest here, you guys knew this would cause trouble so you went through with it. There's an obvious line thats crossed with a name, imo and it surely isn't hard to come up with a much more legible name.

Like I said, I can get the POV and where you're coming from, there's likely to be a grey area with names (though it seems to have been cleared up), but ultimately when people start saying in area chat 'It's an alt of a syntax machinist', the arguement goes downhill because that was a lie and why would it be said that the player behind the character was a machinist on syntax if he wasn't? Well, possibly because it was a guilty arguement on your guys behalf, you knew you were doing something shady.

I didn't know it would cause trouble, the character was original created as a camera for the Cinematic made back in Halloween and has been sitting on my account ever since, instead of creating a new one and going through the process of tagging new hardlines etc I simply used the existing one. Didn't once cross my mind that the name would be un-acceptable.

Lack of information on my factionmates side led to the 'syntax machine alt' argument. That was at least 15 mins into the meeting though, and at that point they were just trying to make sure I didnt get left behind I think.

Procurator wrote:

I doubt that would work. Gray was doing the teleporting, but Rarebit must have had a second, invisible character in the top floor room of the Tabor Park building. I'm guessing he looked at the names on one client and typed them in on the other.

 

Yeah you're right, oh well.