Hmm seems the machines have forgotten their own design which requires a certain amount of bluepills rejecting and leaving the matrix..... Clearly any notions we may have had that the Mechs are more logical and less prone to knee jerk stupidity than humanity were misplaced, their dogmatic response is as likely to destabilise the Matrix as anything dreamed up by half wits of EPN..... 

You are cowards and traitors to help the machines. For now you have purpose but what happens if Zion falls? Who will you turn to when the Machines decide you no longer have a purpose.


We have other extraction points, we will free who does who wish to take the redpill and go over your god damed 1% til every human pluged in has been given a choice.

1% reject it as per the simulations restrictions but it does not mean that they need to be freed, they can still exist within the simulation and monitored by Machinist operatives. Any self substantiating bluepill will be met and explained of the situation from Machinist operatives...

Croesus wrote:

1% reject it as per the simulations restrictions but it does not mean that they need to be freed, they can still exist within the simulation and monitored by Machinist operatives. Any self substantiating bluepill will be met and explained of the situation from Machinist operatives...

If that were possible there would never have been a Zion in the first place. Should it be remotely true you have also clearly talked yourself out of a job, the mechs will certainly not maintain their own redpills as a charity without Zion you will be surplus to requirements.... Now I wonder what form of golden handshake the Machines would offer......... maybe..... oh no thats right 'There is no such procedure' lol.

lol

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

lol

((somehow... for me that's a firsttimer seeing Tytanya loling IC, makes me chuckle ))

"The ones that want out" are those who subconsciously reject the System. Zion was not permitted to free those who were unaware of the System, and subconsciously accepted the System without a problem, as they do not "want out" (they don't know there is an out, and might not even believe it if they did).

As for this... operation, and the redpills that assisted in it...

Do you not remember your roots? Would you remain questioning the existence of not only yourselves but of the so called world around you within the simulation?

You are killing your own. Forcing a worthless existence upon those who do not desire it. And why? Because they told you to? Because there is no longer a Truce?

Some things change depending upon the circumstances surrounding them. Others, such as awakenings, do not. In times of peace, and times of war, we must awaken those who are willing. Not for us, but for them. They have a right to the truth. They have a right to sanity. They have a right to understand what is truly real.

Think back to your own awakening. Imagine an Agent killing those who were aiding in your extraction. Imagine them killing you.
Now look at what you're doing. You have become the Agents in this situation, and you are killing yourselves.

I remember my awakening Neoteny.  I was awakened by my sister who was a Zionite.  She told me half truths and manipulated me.  She said she was saving my life.  Not because I was in a dream world but because I worked for the government.  It was only a miracle that I was not at the office the day Neo and Trinity broke Morpheus out of custody.  I surely would have been one of the victims.  My Father was another victim of redpill Zionites attempting to extract somebody.  I have lost many friends who were attempting to stop the Zionite terrorists who were attempting to kidnap(extract) people.

After I learned the truth I understood the calousness and systematic evil that Zionites were bringing upon bluepills.  They say I could not understand because I was awakened too late.  I say that I was awakened too late to be brainwashed by Zionite propoganda.  I accept that 1% of the simulation will become "aware," however I do not approve ov Zions methods of trying to release them.  In an attempt to save one life as they call it, they take more lives in the name of self defense.  It was plainly obviouse that the only lives Zionites value are redpill lives.  They don't consider blue pills human.

The truce allowed blue pills to be extracted safely.  The machines agreed to allow it therefore not putting any blue pills in danger.  Well that still was not good enough for Zionites. 

Now that the truce is over at Zions hand they are going back to the old method once again.  And in doing so putting blue pills at risk again.  I pledge to stop this reckless behavior by Zion.  They are not the saviors of humanity and Zion does not represent all of humanity. You call the Matrix a prison when people are just living out there lives there.  The real prison is waking up and learning just what your species did to the planet.  Learning that there is no life left because we were selfish.  Learning that humans live like cochroaches in an underground bunker cave who plot for more death and destruction.  No, I am not taking lives, I am saving them.

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

Croesus wrote:

1% reject it as per the simulations restrictions but it does not mean that they need to be freed, they can still exist within the simulation and monitored by Machinist operatives. Any self substantiating bluepill will be met and explained of the situation from Machinist operatives...

If that were possible there would never have been a Zion in the first place. Should it be remotely true you have also clearly talked yourself out of a job, the mechs will certainly not maintain their own redpills as a charity without Zion you will be surplus to requirements.... Now I wonder what form of golden handshake the Machines would offer......... maybe..... oh no thats right 'There is no such procedure' lol.

The risk factor is lessened in allowing redpills to leave the simulation, but as I stated it is possible for them to remain inside at the cost of heightened risk to the simulation. Our job of protecting the Matrix, working alongside the Machines, will be needed as long as long as Humankind are plugged into the system and in cases of self substantiation. Because of this we will be needed more than ever!

Croesus wrote:

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

Croesus wrote:

1% reject it as per the simulations restrictions but it does not mean that they need to be freed, they can still exist within the simulation and monitored by Machinist operatives. Any self substantiating bluepill will be met and explained of the situation from Machinist operatives...

If that were possible there would never have been a Zion in the first place. Should it be remotely true you have also clearly talked yourself out of a job, the mechs will certainly not maintain their own redpills as a charity without Zion you will be surplus to requirements.... Now I wonder what form of golden handshake the Machines would offer......... maybe..... oh no thats right 'There is no such procedure' lol.

The risk factor is lessened in allowing redpills to leave the simulation, but as I stated it is possible for them to remain inside at the cost of heightened risk to the simulation. Our job of protecting the Matrix, working alongside the Machines, will be needed as long as long as Humankind are plugged into the system and in cases of self substantiation. Because of this we will be needed more than ever!

I'd like to see proof that they would be able to keep people that want out in the Matrix. Entire "crops" were lost because people didn't have a choice. But if that were the case, the Oracle would be obsolete, in this respect. She facilitates of the choice and that doesn't exist anymore, if this is what you're talking about.

Keeping people that want freedom locked up will only result in disaster. It has been this way throughout human history and will be as long as human beings exist. The Machinists are so set on calling our kind out as deviant and violent, but that goes for the blues that want out as well.

There's a reason that choice existed, and unless you do what the Cypherites in the Syntax instance have taken up arms to attempt(killing anyone that questions), it's going to be a very different threat without it.

Unless self substantiating, which doesn't happen often, people who reject the simulation are only released from it by their own death (possibly self inflicted due to seeing things others can't) or by being released by other people. For example, Neo rejected the simulation because he subconsciously rejected it. If there were no one to wake Neo, he would have lived his life like others but aware that there was something wrong...

Crops were lost due to an absence of a choice, not if they chose to reject the simulation but weren't allowed out.
The Oracle is required as her program provides a choice to all bluepills on a subconscious level, that is her function.

Zion exists because of the choice the Oracle gives. Choosing out and never being able to get out defeats the purpose of the choice. A slave screaming and yelling "I want out" and never getting out does nothing, but *CENSORED* everyone around him/her off, or convince them to want out too.

There's no point in talking about choice if there is none. Either there is one or there isn't. Plain and simple.

People can only want freedom if they know for a fact there is a 'freedom' otherwise they would live their lives sure or unsure of what is wrong, being unable to convince those who do accept the world. But yes keeping those who know that there is something wrong with the world is dangerous to the stability of the simulation, but it can be managed.

To this point in history, it hasn't been managed, and saying that it can is an assumption. Where's the hard evidence?

Croesus wrote:

Unless self substantiating, which doesn't happen often, people who reject the simulation are only released from it by their own death (possibly self inflicted due to seeing things others can't) or by being released by other people. For example, Neo rejected the simulation because he subconsciously rejected it. If there were no one to wake Neo, he would have lived his life like others but aware that there was something wrong...

Crops were lost due to an absence of a choice, not if they chose to reject the simulation but weren't allowed out.
The Oracle is required as her program provides a choice to all bluepills on a subconscious level, that is her function.

Zion exists because of the choice the Oracle gives. Choosing out and never being able to get out defeats the purpose of the choice. A slave screaming and yelling "I want out" and never getting out does nothing, but *CENSORED* everyone around him/her off, or convince them to want out too.

There's no point in talking about choice if there is none. Either there is one or there isn't. Plain and simple.

People can only want freedom if they know for a fact there is a 'freedom' otherwise they would live their lives sure or unsure of what is wrong, being unable to convince those who do accept the world. But yes keeping those who know that there is something wrong with the world is dangerous to the stability of the simulation, but it can be managed.

To this point in history, it hasn't been managed, and saying that it can is an assumption. Where's the hard evidence?

Neoteny wrote:

"The ones that want out" are those who subconsciously reject the System. Zion was not permitted to free those who were unaware of the System, and subconsciously accepted the System without a problem, as they do not "want out" (they don't know there is an out, and might not even believe it if they did).

As for this... operation, and the redpills that assisted in it...

Do you not remember your roots? Would you remain questioning the existence of not only yourselves but of the so called world around you within the simulation?

You are killing your own. Forcing a worthless existence upon those who do not desire it. And why? Because they told you to? Because there is no longer a Truce?

Some things change depending upon the circumstances surrounding them. Others, such as awakenings, do not. In times of peace, and times of war, we must awaken those who are willing. Not for us, but for them. They have a right to the truth. They have a right to sanity. They have a right to understand what is truly real.

Think back to your own awakening. Imagine an Agent killing those who were aiding in your extraction. Imagine them killing you.
Now look at what you're doing. You have become the Agents in this situation, and you are killing yourselves.

I remember my awakening Neoteny.  I was awakened by my sister who was a Zionite.  She told me half truths and manipulated me.  She said she was saving my life.  Not because I was in a dream world but because I worked for the government.  It was only a miracle that I was not at the office the day Neo and Trinity broke Morpheus out of custody.  I surely would have been one of the victims.  My Father was another victim of redpill Zionites attempting to extract somebody.  I have lost many friends who were attempting to stop the Zionite terrorists who were attempting to kidnap(extract) people.

After I learned the truth I understood the calousness and systematic evil that Zionites were bringing upon bluepills.  They say I could not understand because I was awakened too late.  I say that I was awakened too late to be brainwashed by Zionite propoganda.  I accept that 1% of the simulation will become "aware," however I do not approve ov Zions methods of trying to release them.  In an attempt to save one life as they call it, they take more lives in the name of self defense.  It was plainly obviouse that the only lives Zionites value are redpill lives.  They don't consider blue pills human.

The truce allowed blue pills to be extracted safely.  The machines agreed to allow it therefore not putting any blue pills in danger.  Well that still was not good enough for Zionites. 

Now that the truce is over at Zions hand they are going back to the old method once again.  And in doing so putting blue pills at risk again.  I pledge to stop this reckless behavior by Zion.  They are not the saviors of humanity and Zion does not represent all of humanity. You call the Matrix a prison when people are just living out there lives there.  The real prison is waking up and learning just what your species did to the planet.  Learning that there is no life left because we were selfish.  Learning that humans live like cochroaches in an underground bunker cave who plot for more death and destruction.  No, I am not taking lives, I am saving them.

You know what you sound like, Satta? A Cypherite. Deny it all you want, that's their stance. Stop the awakenings by any means necessary.

You know nothing of our means, you know nothing of our operations, and you base your opinions of Zion solely on the radical actions of your own family and of Morpheus. You are too bullheaded to realize that there are different people in Zion, and that most of them were awakened post-Truce and do care about both redpills and bluepills. I mean, come on, we've heard from both Niobe, the Kid, and all liaisons involved that they do not wish to see any bluepills be harmed in the war.

And what could have saved your friends? Oh, I don't know, maybe if the Machines didn't order the unnecessary attacks on extractions? We're trying to give people the out they want. The Machines are trying to stop that. I know they're just following orders, but the Machines *CENSORED* well have the power to change the orders.

You've got a troubled past so far as awakenings go, but you've got to get over it and realize that the majority are not like you in that sense. We are going to free minds, and they will try to stop us. Not for the safety of the bluepills, because they would sooner kill those who we are extracting than let them live free, but for their fears. They fear that they will join Zion, they fear that we will outnumber the Machines. They fear that they will help us win.

And you know what, Satta? If you'd been awakened in this time, you'd be dead. Not by any of Zion's means, but by the Machines' and your own. And that, is the truth of the situation.

Extractions happened before the truce, they will continue even now its gone. Time to live with it Machines, or try to *CENSORED* stop us.

Not been reading, man?

They kinda just did.

Havocide wrote:

Extractions happened before the truce, they will continue even now its gone. Time to live with it Machines, or try to *CENSORED* stop us.

Not been reading, man?

They kinda just did.