Tranta wrote:Havocide wrote:Extractions happened before the truce, they will continue even now its gone. Time to live with it Machines, or try to *CENSORED* stop us. Not been reading, man?They kinda just did. I say again. Will.
Havocide wrote:Extractions happened before the truce, they will continue even now its gone. Time to live with it Machines, or try to *CENSORED* stop us. Not been reading, man?They kinda just did.
Extractions happened before the truce, they will continue even now its gone. Time to live with it Machines, or try to *CENSORED* stop us.
Not been reading, man?
They kinda just did.
The choice is not if you want in or out of the simulation, it is to whether you accept or reject the reality presented to you. People don't choose out they choose to reject the notion that the world around them is real. This choice is real, this choice is present, this choice is subconscious. Vinia, not everybody is like the Cypherites. The majority of us that reject it, want out of it. That's human nature. To allow people to reject it and not let them out is going back to the same crap we went through in the beginning. And if that's the case, we're going back to what we've been doing in this war - getting them out anyway. Zion exists because initially the Machines needed somewhere to house the Humans who have been released from the system allowing the function of the One to cycle, i.e. to release him from the system etc... Yes, it is true I assume that it can be managed. I assume this because the Machines would not voluntarily do something without regards of the consequences. The consequences being the instability and possible failure of the simulation in total. I see the "crops" of the first few versions of this lie are proof of that. Good game. If you require hard evidence then how about not releasing anyone for a while..... How about no? Unlike your colleagues, I'm not willing to deny human beings the truth because Colonel Sanders finds it fitting to react that way.
Satta wrote:Neoteny wrote:"The ones that want out" are those who subconsciously reject the System. Zion was not permitted to free those who were unaware of the System, and subconsciously accepted the System without a problem, as they do not "want out" (they don't know there is an out, and might not even believe it if they did).As for this... operation, and the redpills that assisted in it...Do you not remember your roots? Would you remain questioning the existence of not only yourselves but of the so called world around you within the simulation?You are killing your own. Forcing a worthless existence upon those who do not desire it. And why? Because they told you to? Because there is no longer a Truce?Some things change depending upon the circumstances surrounding them. Others, such as awakenings, do not. In times of peace, and times of war, we must awaken those who are willing. Not for us, but for them. They have a right to the truth. They have a right to sanity. They have a right to understand what is truly real.Think back to your own awakening. Imagine an Agent killing those who were aiding in your extraction. Imagine them killing you. Now look at what you're doing. You have become the Agents in this situation, and you are killing yourselves.I remember my awakening Neoteny. I was awakened by my sister who was a Zionite. She told me half truths and manipulated me. She said she was saving my life. Not because I was in a dream world but because I worked for the government. It was only a miracle that I was not at the office the day Neo and Trinity broke Morpheus out of custody. I surely would have been one of the victims. My Father was another victim of redpill Zionites attempting to extract somebody. I have lost many friends who were attempting to stop the Zionite terrorists who were attempting to kidnap(extract) people.After I learned the truth I understood the calousness and systematic evil that Zionites were bringing upon bluepills. They say I could not understand because I was awakened too late. I say that I was awakened too late to be brainwashed by Zionite propoganda. I accept that 1% of the simulation will become "aware," however I do not approve ov Zions methods of trying to release them. In an attempt to save one life as they call it, they take more lives in the name of self defense. It was plainly obviouse that the only lives Zionites value are redpill lives. They don't consider blue pills human.The truce allowed blue pills to be extracted safely. The machines agreed to allow it therefore not putting any blue pills in danger. Well that still was not good enough for Zionites. Now that the truce is over at Zions hand they are going back to the old method once again. And in doing so putting blue pills at risk again. I pledge to stop this reckless behavior by Zion. They are not the saviors of humanity and Zion does not represent all of humanity. You call the Matrix a prison when people are just living out there lives there. The real prison is waking up and learning just what your species did to the planet. Learning that there is no life left because we were selfish. Learning that humans live like cochroaches in an underground bunker cave who plot for more death and destruction. No, I am not taking lives, I am saving them. You know what you sound like, Satta? A Cypherite. Deny it all you want, that's their stance. Stop the awakenings by any means necessary.You know nothing of our means, you know nothing of our operations, and you base your opinions of Zion solely on the radical actions of your own family and of Morpheus. You are too bullheaded to realize that there are different people in Zion, and that most of them were awakened post-Truce and do care about both redpills and bluepills. I mean, come on, we've heard from both Niobe, the Kid, and all liaisons involved that they do not wish to see any bluepills be harmed in the war.And what could have saved your friends? Oh, I don't know, maybe if the Machines didn't order the unnecessary attacks on extractions? We're trying to give people the out they want. The Machines are trying to stop that. I know they're just following orders, but the Machines *CENSORED* well have the power to change the orders.You've got a troubled past so far as awakenings go, but you've got to get over it and realize that the majority are not like you in that sense. We are going to free minds, and they will try to stop us. Not for the safety of the bluepills, because they would sooner kill those who we are extracting than let them live free, but for their fears. They fear that they will join Zion, they fear that we will outnumber the Machines. They fear that they will help us win.And you know what, Satta? If you'd been awakened in this time, you'd be dead. Not by any of Zion's means, but by the Machines' and your own. And that, is the truth of the situation.
Neoteny wrote:"The ones that want out" are those who subconsciously reject the System. Zion was not permitted to free those who were unaware of the System, and subconsciously accepted the System without a problem, as they do not "want out" (they don't know there is an out, and might not even believe it if they did).As for this... operation, and the redpills that assisted in it...Do you not remember your roots? Would you remain questioning the existence of not only yourselves but of the so called world around you within the simulation?You are killing your own. Forcing a worthless existence upon those who do not desire it. And why? Because they told you to? Because there is no longer a Truce?Some things change depending upon the circumstances surrounding them. Others, such as awakenings, do not. In times of peace, and times of war, we must awaken those who are willing. Not for us, but for them. They have a right to the truth. They have a right to sanity. They have a right to understand what is truly real.Think back to your own awakening. Imagine an Agent killing those who were aiding in your extraction. Imagine them killing you. Now look at what you're doing. You have become the Agents in this situation, and you are killing yourselves.I remember my awakening Neoteny. I was awakened by my sister who was a Zionite. She told me half truths and manipulated me. She said she was saving my life. Not because I was in a dream world but because I worked for the government. It was only a miracle that I was not at the office the day Neo and Trinity broke Morpheus out of custody. I surely would have been one of the victims. My Father was another victim of redpill Zionites attempting to extract somebody. I have lost many friends who were attempting to stop the Zionite terrorists who were attempting to kidnap(extract) people.After I learned the truth I understood the calousness and systematic evil that Zionites were bringing upon bluepills. They say I could not understand because I was awakened too late. I say that I was awakened too late to be brainwashed by Zionite propoganda. I accept that 1% of the simulation will become "aware," however I do not approve ov Zions methods of trying to release them. In an attempt to save one life as they call it, they take more lives in the name of self defense. It was plainly obviouse that the only lives Zionites value are redpill lives. They don't consider blue pills human.The truce allowed blue pills to be extracted safely. The machines agreed to allow it therefore not putting any blue pills in danger. Well that still was not good enough for Zionites. Now that the truce is over at Zions hand they are going back to the old method once again. And in doing so putting blue pills at risk again. I pledge to stop this reckless behavior by Zion. They are not the saviors of humanity and Zion does not represent all of humanity. You call the Matrix a prison when people are just living out there lives there. The real prison is waking up and learning just what your species did to the planet. Learning that there is no life left because we were selfish. Learning that humans live like cochroaches in an underground bunker cave who plot for more death and destruction. No, I am not taking lives, I am saving them.
"The ones that want out" are those who subconsciously reject the System. Zion was not permitted to free those who were unaware of the System, and subconsciously accepted the System without a problem, as they do not "want out" (they don't know there is an out, and might not even believe it if they did).As for this... operation, and the redpills that assisted in it...Do you not remember your roots? Would you remain questioning the existence of not only yourselves but of the so called world around you within the simulation?You are killing your own. Forcing a worthless existence upon those who do not desire it. And why? Because they told you to? Because there is no longer a Truce?Some things change depending upon the circumstances surrounding them. Others, such as awakenings, do not. In times of peace, and times of war, we must awaken those who are willing. Not for us, but for them. They have a right to the truth. They have a right to sanity. They have a right to understand what is truly real.Think back to your own awakening. Imagine an Agent killing those who were aiding in your extraction. Imagine them killing you. Now look at what you're doing. You have become the Agents in this situation, and you are killing yourselves.
"The ones that want out" are those who subconsciously reject the System. Zion was not permitted to free those who were unaware of the System, and subconsciously accepted the System without a problem, as they do not "want out" (they don't know there is an out, and might not even believe it if they did).
As for this... operation, and the redpills that assisted in it...
Do you not remember your roots? Would you remain questioning the existence of not only yourselves but of the so called world around you within the simulation?
You are killing your own. Forcing a worthless existence upon those who do not desire it. And why? Because they told you to? Because there is no longer a Truce?
Some things change depending upon the circumstances surrounding them. Others, such as awakenings, do not. In times of peace, and times of war, we must awaken those who are willing. Not for us, but for them. They have a right to the truth. They have a right to sanity. They have a right to understand what is truly real.
Think back to your own awakening. Imagine an Agent killing those who were aiding in your extraction. Imagine them killing you. Now look at what you're doing. You have become the Agents in this situation, and you are killing yourselves.
I remember my awakening Neoteny. I was awakened by my sister who was a Zionite. She told me half truths and manipulated me. She said she was saving my life. Not because I was in a dream world but because I worked for the government. It was only a miracle that I was not at the office the day Neo and Trinity broke Morpheus out of custody. I surely would have been one of the victims. My Father was another victim of redpill Zionites attempting to extract somebody. I have lost many friends who were attempting to stop the Zionite terrorists who were attempting to kidnap(extract) people.
After I learned the truth I understood the calousness and systematic evil that Zionites were bringing upon bluepills. They say I could not understand because I was awakened too late. I say that I was awakened too late to be brainwashed by Zionite propoganda. I accept that 1% of the simulation will become "aware," however I do not approve ov Zions methods of trying to release them. In an attempt to save one life as they call it, they take more lives in the name of self defense. It was plainly obviouse that the only lives Zionites value are redpill lives. They don't consider blue pills human.
The truce allowed blue pills to be extracted safely. The machines agreed to allow it therefore not putting any blue pills in danger. Well that still was not good enough for Zionites.
Now that the truce is over at Zions hand they are going back to the old method once again. And in doing so putting blue pills at risk again. I pledge to stop this reckless behavior by Zion. They are not the saviors of humanity and Zion does not represent all of humanity. You call the Matrix a prison when people are just living out there lives there. The real prison is waking up and learning just what your species did to the planet. Learning that there is no life left because we were selfish. Learning that humans live like cochroaches in an underground bunker cave who plot for more death and destruction. No, I am not taking lives, I am saving them.
You know what you sound like, Satta? A Cypherite. Deny it all you want, that's their stance. Stop the awakenings by any means necessary.
You know nothing of our means, you know nothing of our operations, and you base your opinions of Zion solely on the radical actions of your own family and of Morpheus. You are too bullheaded to realize that there are different people in Zion, and that most of them were awakened post-Truce and do care about both redpills and bluepills. I mean, come on, we've heard from both Niobe, the Kid, and all liaisons involved that they do not wish to see any bluepills be harmed in the war.
And what could have saved your friends? Oh, I don't know, maybe if the Machines didn't order the unnecessary attacks on extractions? We're trying to give people the out they want. The Machines are trying to stop that. I know they're just following orders, but the Machines *CENSORED* well have the power to change the orders.
You've got a troubled past so far as awakenings go, but you've got to get over it and realize that the majority are not like you in that sense. We are going to free minds, and they will try to stop us. Not for the safety of the bluepills, because they would sooner kill those who we are extracting than let them live free, but for their fears. They fear that they will join Zion, they fear that we will outnumber the Machines. They fear that they will help us win.
And you know what, Satta? If you'd been awakened in this time, you'd be dead. Not by any of Zion's means, but by the Machines' and your own. And that, is the truth of the situation.
"Up to a point a man's life is shaped by environment, heredity, and movements and changes in the world about him. Then there comes a time when it lies within his grasp to shape the clay of his life into the sort of thing he wishes to be. Only the weak blame parents, their race, their times, lack of good fortune, or the quirks of fate. Everyoen has it within his power to say, "This I am today; that I will be tomorrow." - Louise L' Amour
I have repeatedly said that not all of Zion is united and on the same page and that is the problem. I cannot risk the minority group in Zion who wishes to do harm to the Matrix run loose and hide behind the newly protected walls of Zion. Zion has a history of important leaders among them going astray and causing harm. I listed the actions of Morpheus, I also mentioned Niobe destroying a power plant killing an untold number of blue pills. I mentioned Neo and Trinity blowing up the government building in downtown killing friends of mine. I mentioned Neo flying at supersonic speed through a city street destroying everything in his path just to catch Trinity from falling. I mentioned my father being killed just for doing his job. Yes, watching your father die can screw up a 5 year olds head. What makes it worst is to find out why he died.
Radical and mililitant machinist I am, Cypherite I am not. I am on the far right inside of The Collective. However I have not crossed that line into the Cypherite zone. I do not wish to be plugged back in whether it is possible or not. I do not want to kill all redpills, and I do not want to keep all bluepills asleep. I already stated that everything was fine with the truce and I had no problem with bluepills awakening. Our ultimate goal is to create an environment where one day the Matrix is no longer necessary and all humans are wheened off of it. I have stated that my problem is with how Zion goes about its business, not the fact that they are awakening blue pills. So ignore everything I have said and just label me a Cypherite if that makes you feel better. In our past people would call someone a racist just to label them and end the conversation when they have nothing else to say.
"Niobe, you were thankful that Neo bought you two years. But if you'd abided by the truce, he could have bought you *forever*." - Illyria
"Niobe, you were thankful that Neo bought you two years. But if you had stayed under the Machine's thumb ready to be crushed you could of had as many as we would allow. - Illyria Gami
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Pyraci wrote:Croesus wrote:There's no point in talking about choice if there is none. Either there is one or there isn't. Plain and simple.
Croesus wrote:There's no point in talking about choice if there is none. Either there is one or there isn't. Plain and simple.
There's no point in talking about choice if there is none. Either there is one or there isn't. Plain and simple.
Croesus wrote:The choice is not if you want in or out of the simulation, it is to whether you accept or reject the reality presented to you. People don't choose out they choose to reject the notion that the world around them is real. This choice is real, this choice is present, this choice is subconscious. Vinia, not everybody is like the Cypherites. The majority of us that reject it, want out of it. That's human nature. To allow people to reject it and not let them out is going back to the same crap we went through in the beginning. And if that's the case, we're going back to what we've been doing in this war - getting them out anyway. People need to know what they are in before they can want out, if there is no-one to tell them what they are in, all they know is that something is not right. Given time they'd be able to live with that knowledge and lead productive lives within the simulation. Zion exists because initially the Machines needed somewhere to house the Humans who have been released from the system allowing the function of the One to cycle, i.e. to release him from the system etc... Yes, it is true I assume that it can be managed. I assume this because the Machines would not voluntarily do something without regards of the consequences. The consequences being the instability and possible failure of the simulation in total. I see the "crops" of the first few versions of this lie are proof of that. Good game. The first few versions were attempts made by the Machines to try to perfect the simulation, provide a paradise or perfect recreation of our civilisation but without the subconscious choice the The Oracle provides the system failed. Humans thrive on choice, not the actual outcome. The Machines, who think differently to Humans did not know of this stipulation of needing a choice before the Oracle came along, so what happened in the first few versions was not voluntary. If you require hard evidence then how about not releasing anyone for a while..... How about no? Unlike your colleagues, I'm not willing to deny human beings the truth because Colonel Sanders finds it fitting to react that way. Heh, I thought not! Up until Zion's brazen violation of the truce, the Machines did not deny Humans who reject the simulation the truth either as they were released with no recourse from Agents or Operatives.
The choice is not if you want in or out of the simulation, it is to whether you accept or reject the reality presented to you. People don't choose out they choose to reject the notion that the world around them is real. This choice is real, this choice is present, this choice is subconscious. Vinia, not everybody is like the Cypherites. The majority of us that reject it, want out of it. That's human nature. To allow people to reject it and not let them out is going back to the same crap we went through in the beginning. And if that's the case, we're going back to what we've been doing in this war - getting them out anyway. People need to know what they are in before they can want out, if there is no-one to tell them what they are in, all they know is that something is not right. Given time they'd be able to live with that knowledge and lead productive lives within the simulation. Zion exists because initially the Machines needed somewhere to house the Humans who have been released from the system allowing the function of the One to cycle, i.e. to release him from the system etc... Yes, it is true I assume that it can be managed. I assume this because the Machines would not voluntarily do something without regards of the consequences. The consequences being the instability and possible failure of the simulation in total. I see the "crops" of the first few versions of this lie are proof of that. Good game. The first few versions were attempts made by the Machines to try to perfect the simulation, provide a paradise or perfect recreation of our civilisation but without the subconscious choice the The Oracle provides the system failed. Humans thrive on choice, not the actual outcome. The Machines, who think differently to Humans did not know of this stipulation of needing a choice before the Oracle came along, so what happened in the first few versions was not voluntary. If you require hard evidence then how about not releasing anyone for a while..... How about no? Unlike your colleagues, I'm not willing to deny human beings the truth because Colonel Sanders finds it fitting to react that way. Heh, I thought not! Up until Zion's brazen violation of the truce, the Machines did not deny Humans who reject the simulation the truth either as they were released with no recourse from Agents or Operatives.
Pyraci wrote: There's no point in talking about choice if there is none. Either there is one or there isn't. Plain and simple. The illusion of having thought is the same as the illusion of having choice. If you think, it happens through the nature of inevitability, not because you are an intelligent being capable of thought. Of course something would need to be capable of "thought" to be able to "think". I just imply that even if you're capable of thought, the reason why you are capable of it is because in the end, everything made you to be. You think because everything, every action and reaction makes you think. No matter how far anybody goes into discovering the secrets of nature, nobody would be able to calculate the so-called "Butterfly effect", the event of something completely "unrelated" happening because of another event. This inability to understand, comprehend, gives birth to both the words "fate" and "choice". But both are incorrect. Choice is an illusion because everything that has been leading to the choice has happenend (including the appropriate signals in the brain leading to the conclusion what choice to make) and everything after the choice will happen in exactly one way. Fate is an incorrect word because it implies knowledge. The strike of fate, if it happens, happened not because the being believed or knew it will happen, but because it was inevitable. This concept of inevitability cannot be understood or grasped by the feeble human interlect, nor by the cold logic of the Machines. The Machines don't need to bother question the inevitability and humans don't need to find the answer to the question that lead us where we are: "Are we free?" Now even if I accept that everything happens as it happens, unchangeable, without choice, nothing I will do will change. I'll still make choices, think and behave because of these. I cannot try to behave because of inevitability, I will anyways.
Pyraci wrote:Croesus wrote:The choice is not if you want in or out of the simulation, it is to whether you accept or reject the reality presented to you. People don't choose out they choose to reject the notion that the world around them is real. This choice is real, this choice is present, this choice is subconscious. Vinia, not everybody is like the Cypherites. The majority of us that reject it, want out of it. That's human nature. To allow people to reject it and not let them out is going back to the same crap we went through in the beginning. And if that's the case, we're going back to what we've been doing in this war - getting them out anyway. People need to know what they are in before they can want out, if there is no-one to tell them what they are in, all they know is that something is not right. Given time they'd be able to live with that knowledge and lead productive lives within the simulation. People can't understand what the Matrix really is until they experience it for themselves as it really is. Sure, you can keep them in, but that's what breeds transcendents, causing others to question the Matrix too. Remember that little training mission before you decide to join an organization. Zion exists because initially the Machines needed somewhere to house the Humans who have been released from the system allowing the function of the One to cycle, i.e. to release him from the system etc... Yes, it is true I assume that it can be managed. I assume this because the Machines would not voluntarily do something without regards of the consequences. The consequences being the instability and possible failure of the simulation in total. I see the "crops" of the first few versions of this lie are proof of that. Good game. The first few versions were attempts made by the Machines to try to perfect the simulation, provide a paradise or perfect recreation of our civilisation but without the subconscious choice the The Oracle provides the system failed. Humans thrive on choice, not the actual outcome. The Machines, who think differently to Humans did not know of this stipulation of needing a choice before the Oracle came along, so what happened in the first few versions was not voluntary. Ah, so you're saying all those lives were experiments... Gotcha. Wouldn't be surprised actually, seeing all the shells of humans that were tested and processed to fit in this lie. Heheh, that subconscious choice to accept or reject existed as long as the Matrix didn't, not the Oracle. The Oracle's choice is in or out. Red or blue. If you require hard evidence then how about not releasing anyone for a while..... How about no? Unlike your colleagues, I'm not willing to deny human beings the truth because Colonel Sanders finds it fitting to react that way. Heh, I thought not! Up until Zion's brazen violation of the truce, the Machines did not deny Humans who reject the simulation the truth either as they were released with no recourse from Agents or Operatives. *shrugs* Won't stop me, and the rest of Zion/EPN though. Be seein' ya.
Croesus wrote:The choice is not if you want in or out of the simulation, it is to whether you accept or reject the reality presented to you. People don't choose out they choose to reject the notion that the world around them is real. This choice is real, this choice is present, this choice is subconscious. Vinia, not everybody is like the Cypherites. The majority of us that reject it, want out of it. That's human nature. To allow people to reject it and not let them out is going back to the same crap we went through in the beginning. And if that's the case, we're going back to what we've been doing in this war - getting them out anyway. People need to know what they are in before they can want out, if there is no-one to tell them what they are in, all they know is that something is not right. Given time they'd be able to live with that knowledge and lead productive lives within the simulation. People can't understand what the Matrix really is until they experience it for themselves as it really is. Sure, you can keep them in, but that's what breeds transcendents, causing others to question the Matrix too. Remember that little training mission before you decide to join an organization. Zion exists because initially the Machines needed somewhere to house the Humans who have been released from the system allowing the function of the One to cycle, i.e. to release him from the system etc... Yes, it is true I assume that it can be managed. I assume this because the Machines would not voluntarily do something without regards of the consequences. The consequences being the instability and possible failure of the simulation in total. I see the "crops" of the first few versions of this lie are proof of that. Good game. The first few versions were attempts made by the Machines to try to perfect the simulation, provide a paradise or perfect recreation of our civilisation but without the subconscious choice the The Oracle provides the system failed. Humans thrive on choice, not the actual outcome. The Machines, who think differently to Humans did not know of this stipulation of needing a choice before the Oracle came along, so what happened in the first few versions was not voluntary. Ah, so you're saying all those lives were experiments... Gotcha. Wouldn't be surprised actually, seeing all the shells of humans that were tested and processed to fit in this lie. Heheh, that subconscious choice to accept or reject existed as long as the Matrix didn't, not the Oracle. The Oracle's choice is in or out. Red or blue. If you require hard evidence then how about not releasing anyone for a while..... How about no? Unlike your colleagues, I'm not willing to deny human beings the truth because Colonel Sanders finds it fitting to react that way. Heh, I thought not! Up until Zion's brazen violation of the truce, the Machines did not deny Humans who reject the simulation the truth either as they were released with no recourse from Agents or Operatives. *shrugs* Won't stop me, and the rest of Zion/EPN though. Be seein' ya.
The choice is not if you want in or out of the simulation, it is to whether you accept or reject the reality presented to you. People don't choose out they choose to reject the notion that the world around them is real. This choice is real, this choice is present, this choice is subconscious. Vinia, not everybody is like the Cypherites. The majority of us that reject it, want out of it. That's human nature. To allow people to reject it and not let them out is going back to the same crap we went through in the beginning. And if that's the case, we're going back to what we've been doing in this war - getting them out anyway. People need to know what they are in before they can want out, if there is no-one to tell them what they are in, all they know is that something is not right. Given time they'd be able to live with that knowledge and lead productive lives within the simulation. People can't understand what the Matrix really is until they experience it for themselves as it really is. Sure, you can keep them in, but that's what breeds transcendents, causing others to question the Matrix too. Remember that little training mission before you decide to join an organization. Zion exists because initially the Machines needed somewhere to house the Humans who have been released from the system allowing the function of the One to cycle, i.e. to release him from the system etc... Yes, it is true I assume that it can be managed. I assume this because the Machines would not voluntarily do something without regards of the consequences. The consequences being the instability and possible failure of the simulation in total. I see the "crops" of the first few versions of this lie are proof of that. Good game. The first few versions were attempts made by the Machines to try to perfect the simulation, provide a paradise or perfect recreation of our civilisation but without the subconscious choice the The Oracle provides the system failed. Humans thrive on choice, not the actual outcome. The Machines, who think differently to Humans did not know of this stipulation of needing a choice before the Oracle came along, so what happened in the first few versions was not voluntary. Ah, so you're saying all those lives were experiments... Gotcha. Wouldn't be surprised actually, seeing all the shells of humans that were tested and processed to fit in this lie. Heheh, that subconscious choice to accept or reject existed as long as the Matrix didn't, not the Oracle. The Oracle's choice is in or out. Red or blue. If you require hard evidence then how about not releasing anyone for a while..... How about no? Unlike your colleagues, I'm not willing to deny human beings the truth because Colonel Sanders finds it fitting to react that way. Heh, I thought not! Up until Zion's brazen violation of the truce, the Machines did not deny Humans who reject the simulation the truth either as they were released with no recourse from Agents or Operatives. *shrugs* Won't stop me, and the rest of Zion/EPN though. Be seein' ya.
Ah, so you're saying all those lives were experiments... Gotcha. Wouldn't be surprised actually, seeing all the shells of humans that were tested and processed to fit in this lie. Heheh, that subconscious choice to accept or reject existed as long as the Matrix didn't, not the Oracle. The Oracle's choice is in or out. Red or blue.
Pyraci wrote:Ah, so you're saying all those lives were experiments... Gotcha. Wouldn't be surprised actually, seeing all the shells of humans that were tested and processed to fit in this lie. Heheh, that subconscious choice to accept or reject existed as long as the Matrix didn't, not the Oracle. The Oracle's choice is in or out. Red or blue. I can't say if those lives were experiments or not. They were lost due to the lack of knowledge of the Machines trying to create an environment for humans to exist in. Remember they were at war at the time, rules of war were not followed by either side, Machines tried to find out how Humans work so that they can be put into this artificial reality and live 'normal' lives whilst Humans hunted down and destroyed Machines. At least the deaths of the Humans resulted in life for new generations in this reality.
It's a shame that extractions are no longer permitted...hopefully they will be reinstated at some time in the future. But for now, Zion's free ride is over.
As for the question of age at extraction, I've already suggested why Zion has traditionally targeted the young.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/afric...iers/index.html
Children are more easily manipulated than adults -- so any sorrow or anger they have towards those who ripped them away from their parents, their lives, can be redirected into hatred for 'the Enemy'.
Illyria
