Kidgil wrote:No, thats the Machines Job. If people wanna go back Agents can reinsert them. Cypherites exsist so they can force people back into their pods with a bluepill or with death.That is where you are wrong. I'm not trying to get Awakened people reinserted, I'm trying not to let Bluepills who don't want the truth to be forced to wake up. Machinists are all for the moderation but as long as they are truced with Zion they see Cypherites as the enemy. We don't want to force anyone back to the pods. If you choose to live outside of the simulation, have fun. As far as you E Pluribus Neo folk go, you're spitting on Neo's grave by waking up every bluepill who walks your way. Only 1%, count it 1% of the bluepill population wants "freedom" as you call it. Do you even know why you're doing it? It sure as hell doesn't benifit the sleeping.That's what I defend. As a Cypherite I am here to keep those who don't want the red pill from getting tricked into a life they don't want, fighting for a cause that is meaningless.Message Edited by Kidgil on 05.21.2006 08:41 PMMessage Edited by Kidgil on 05.21.2006 08:42 PM
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Message Edited by Vaico on 05.21.2006 05:41 AM
Nathics laughed.
Exactly. This is starting to get ridiculous. Reviewing both sides of the stories after my own post, I'll have to say, it's both parties' faults.
Anome was too brash to pick a man who was too old to extract, although it looked like he was really about to take the red pill.
The Cypherites acted too harsh in an attempt to keep Mr. Kendall from making "the same mistake" as they did.
Alone, maybe Mr. Kendall would have taken a pill from one of the parties present. But together amongst all the bickering and arguing and who threw what at who in what way, they caused too much stress for Mr. Kendall.
Now, instead of allowing him some breathing room, they (both parties) chased after him, intent on forcing the man to make his choice before he could properly think.
Innocent casuality of recruit efforts and anti-recruit efforts. Let's see if I can't make a good hypothetical out of this:
If I buy a cheeseburger from, say, McBurgers, and find it to be terrible, does that give me the right to attempt to convince others who may find it enjoyable from buying it? And on the other side, does that give me the right to just shove it down the throat of anybody I come across? 'course, I don't think Anome just picked some random guy off the street, so...technically, I'm still siding with him.
Message Edited by ZippydaSquirl on 05.21.2006 09:47 AM
i have still yet to see one bit of evidence that say Mr. Kendell was going to take the red pill. I was there, he had no interest in any of this. he just wanted to go home and rebuild his life. several times our operatives reminded him that he had choice and all anome could do was call everything lies.
you will all believe what you wish, of course. just remember though, you weren't there to see it for yourself. re-read those screens and transcripts and point me to one instance where this guy was going to go red.
Davo wrote: i have still yet to see one bit of evidence that say Mr. Kendell was going to take the red pill. I was there, he had no interest in any of this. he just wanted to go home and rebuild his life. several times our operatives reminded him that he had choice and all anome could do was call everything lies. you will all believe what you wish, of course. just remember though, you weren't there to see it for yourself. re-read those screens and transcripts and point me to one instance where this guy was going to go red.
I have yet to see evidence of either point. The point I'm making is that he seemd a lot calmer before you Cypherites showed up and started pushing him towards the blue pill. He repeatedly called you freaks and questioned who you were, and what you wanted with him. In my eyes, it was your presence and pushiness that drove him to the irrational actions which he took, wheras when he was meeting privately with Anome, he was calm, cool, and collected about his words.
I don't care that I wasn't there. If anything, that only removes bias from the situation. I am an objective overseer of the situation with the evidence given. If you have further evidence which proves your point, then by all means, present it.
I think what we're seeing here, both from the Cypherites and from Anome/Zion, is what happens when "being right" becomes more important than doing what's right. Each side was so wrapped up in its own agenda that they lost sight of what was really important -- what was best for Robert Kendell. If both sides would have backed off and let the man think, this tragedy might have been avoided.
Illyria
Message Edited by Illyria22 on 05.21.2006 06:06 PM
regardless of my opinion of this situation i cannot help but to agree to this. this debate is dead. doesnt matter who won becuase the life was lost. :smileyindifferent:
just remember....kitten killer cant catch and that is good enough for me
40dog wrote:Something tells me if it was TC,COS,MCDOE, with the cyph tags over there head when this event went down, the Gates of Heaven would be open to them by all Orgs and faction........
