[10.3.5] Courier isn't responding - Vector - 7/24/08

PascaI · 08/02/2008 18:37:43

I do not have a problem with people wanting to experience all sides of the Matrix story. But lets not kid ourselves on here. Most people don't use their alts for this. They use them simply to tap any and all information they can from the other sides adn relay that information back to their 'main' Org or faction. They don't turn up for meetings, they don't put anything into the Org, but sap it's info.

@Neoteny: Yes, you could make a new character on another server and join another Org. But the information differs across servers. The experience will differ across the servers. Sure, the main story line is the same. But interaction between LO's and Rare' will not be the same. All LO have different personalities and connections on each server. So the information that they pass on will be different. Yeah, you can't stop people buying 2 or more accounts.

**Gerik**

PascaI wrote:

I do not have a problem with people wanting to experience all sides of the Matrix story. But lets not kid ourselves on here. Most people don't use their alts for this. They use them simply to tap any and all information they can from the other sides adn relay that information back to their 'main' Org or faction. They don't turn up for meetings, they don't put anything into the Org, but sap it's info.
@Neoteny: Yes, you could make a new character on another server and join another Org. But the information differs across servers. The experience will differ across the servers. Sure, the main story line is the same. But interaction between LO's and Rare' will not be the same. All LO have different personalities and connections on each server. So the information that they pass on will be different. Yeah, you can't stop people buying 2 or more accounts.

Does it really matter? The Live Events get posted, like this one, so people will find out sooner or later.

privaronT

Gerik wrote:

PascaI wrote:
I do not have a problem with people wanting to experience all sides of the Matrix story. But lets not kid ourselves on here. Most people don't use their alts for this. They use them simply to tap any and all information they can from the other sides adn relay that information back to their 'main' Org or faction. They don't turn up for meetings, they don't put anything into the Org, but sap it's info.
@Neoteny: Yes, you could make a new character on another server and join another Org. But the information differs across servers. The experience will differ across the servers. Sure, the main story line is the same. But interaction between LO's and Rare' will not be the same. All LO have different personalities and connections on each server. So the information that they pass on will be different. Yeah, you can't stop people buying 2 or more accounts.

Does it really matter? The Live Events get posted, like this one, so people will find out sooner or later.

Yes it does when people put in countless hours to help Liasons attempt to keep a roleplay presence get involved in side events and otherwise spend years sticking to one organization. People feel disenfranchised like their loyalty doesn't matter. Or their events going off with complications arn't a big deal. It matters alot less to the said alts because they get to attend events and interact probabably twice a week instead of once a month waiting for the chance to interact with their favorite character from the Matrix universe.

It matters because integrity and trust are something that become imperitive. I have been to every event as a Cypherite observer except maybe 3 or so since May 29th on Vector. I have never seen remotely as much event crashing or pvp ganking at any of these events compared to the last two Cypherite ones which included me getting killed by a Zion player inside of Ourobros named Outlaw 54. 'Wasn't there supposed to be an org lock up?"

This most rescent event I was told not to heal my members due to breaking character with a bluepill at the live event which has not been posted yet I explained we were being ganked. Low and behold 10 seconds later ML comes in with a full team area hacking us and picking off members while Dreami did the best she could to salvage the event but it really broke the immersion and left many of us for the majority of the event out of the loop because we were to busy sending people to the loading area and likewise to get involved. The only people who were really effective in saving the bluepills were RR members under the level of 15 because the rest of us were just forced to pvp.

After we were told to escort the bluepills to the church Rarebit placed a non hostile zone at Camon C Church in which Zionites attempted to skirt in and out of to get a hostile lock on us and area hack.

Yes it matters... because information gets leaked events get ruined and when its your only event you really have a chance to get deeply involved in for that month its a huge let down to think that no matter how hard you try to be a positive influence for your org that at the end of the day it just doesn't matter enough to prevent this stuff.

You know the kicker for this? Rarebit actually interacted with these people on Veil after the event when he put a cake vendor down at Gracy Diner... Honestly that just made a couple of us feel like he just doesn't care sometimes.

**xxamelxx**

I usually don't RP very much and attended that latest CYPH event on vector. After seeing a different org that didn't belong there arrive before we even all did, I have to ask was the mole that invited the zionists to gank and ruin the event one of us or Rarebit?

Either way it really ruined any fun I thought I was going to have and I'm not sure if I will try and enjoy that part of the games content anymore. I am used to pvp on vector,but that was just ganking to ruin an event that made it impossible for us to escort the npcs SMILEY

**Bayamos**

On one hand you have people who level to 50 in another org (or another server) and even after reaching max level are still not accepted by their peers because of the remaining stigma of "other" server or org mains. On the other hand you have alt characters that are too easily accepted into an org's infrastructure and able to shift events in undesirable ways. It's really up to LESIG I guess to weed out the serious people from those who aren't planning on contributing, but I imagine that's kind of difficult as there'd be a firestorm if players of the "right" org were excluded altogether... and its certainly preferable to have the "right" org chars show up than a ton of chars whose org blatantly don't belong at that event.

The fact that there was a pacification zone set up sounds like there wasn't *supposed* to be PVP happening. As a guideline we should all tend to respect eachother's events because you never know which way the future server population is gonna flow. Payback could be quite annoying when you're trying to have your own event.

**mxomod007**

This needs to get back on topic. Please stop the flaming and do not call out other players in this forum. I do not wish to lock or move posts in a live event thread.

Thank you

privaronT

I understand your position as a moderator and I honestly apolagize for this taking a hostile turn it's just frusterating for alot of us.

However I think it has a very valid place in this paticular event thread regarding the issue of Cypherite alts activity and security being detrimental to the process and I would like to explain why 007.

During this exact event there were system messages sent out to Cypherite and Machinist players to protect the building. Due to what could be deemed as a real festering problem or possibly just bad timing I was the only person to show up during this entire org broadcast. Although you are correct the second event we are discussing should be taken elsewhere whether it be in another thread or waiting until that recap is posted

Ironicly a Cypherite faction leader was in attendence at this event I find the whole situation quite fitting for the thread and although maybe not politically comfortable on topic to say the very least. I say we all calm down on it though "me included" the attempt here is to try raise awareness not start a riot.

privaronT

Don't worry EPN were not shameless enough to perpetuate your events. I was just trying to get your take on things.. Glad were all on the same page.

**SaintDaniel**

hmmm it does seem as if xensei is seeing our side of things doesn't it

PascaI · 08/03/2008 10:55:24

I think the worst thing we can do here is ignore what is obviously a big problem.

The least that LO could have done there was say he would pass on our concerns. I except that LO are not developers and are basically just players like you and I. However they have a better connections to the development side than any of us average players.

I actually don't have a problem with people that have alts in other organizations, so long as they can detach themselves from their main org when they log onto their alt. But that's not what's happening here. I doubt that Xensei, or any other LO for that matter would like it if we made alts just to leech information and stay one step ahead of the game with no real interest in the Org.

I'm not sure what can be done to stop it, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore it.

**Scorpi0n**

I enjoyed this event as I think most people did...Well maybe Not Privaront hehe

privaronT

Believe it or not I actually enjoyed the event quite a bit. The fact that Rarebit even bothered to throw out an org message was pretty nice its just a shame the organization is in the state it is in right now.

I thought Liparus being unveiled in this fashion was a very good step in the right direction in regards to how we unveil our Cypherite LO's meet and greets are fun but that really built her image up IC and I liked where it went. The Cypherite NPC spawns were ok.. but I guess my issue is why didn't Rarebit even throw this part of the event in the recap it pretty much indicates "Hey if you guys cant log on a ton of people don't bother"

All I know is though that the event itself although in some regards enjoyable and others very dissapointing and eye opening was an omen and a testament to the times. We believe its time to start doing some sweeping changes regardless of population building our organizations numbers at the expense of integrity and realism simply put causes issues like these where our main events are crashed and our side involvement becomes minimal because some of the same people Dreami's relying on for side event RP and perpetuating activity are active EPN 50's.

I suppose I think this event proved a point the same with our rescent Cypherite one that its time to start lookng into the issues.

**HutchieJNR** · 08/03/2008 12:38:29

Me and Privaront were just talking about this ingame.

Just To clarify I was Once A Rank One In Heaven's Nightmares, The EPN faction. But I am no longer a member Nor do I have any Alt's In it. As For Veil Of Nightmare's Or Whatever it is, The Cypherite Faction. I was Never in this faction, Yes thats right a faction i was never in. HunkAk47 And Lio were the Rank Ones, I Only Know This because I helped Lio level untill he quit about 8 month or so ago.

666th Post :O

**xxamelxx**

i hate to retract any statement,but it appears from what i was just told in game the faction complaining in this thread is all made off epn lvl 50 alts... it seems this was a matter of one cyph faction jealous of another with more information...

**BayBay**

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