VT was essentially viral accuracy, the only tree which didn't need to load parts of Hacker was MKT, because they had the advantage of sneak, Hackers complained about their attacks not always hitting.....? and MAs, Gunmen and spies always complained about their effect timers because they could easily keep you bottlenecked for about 40 seconds, quite enough time to land a few LC2s and barrages ect, in IL though they did suck but, unless you can hit them with an enraging ability immediately they'd just roll out within a second. Simplein any case using Hacker in CR1 and comparing MKT in CR2 while their are similarities it was a completely different ball game and most of the points are null.
VT was essentially viral accuracy, the only tree which didn't need to load parts of Hacker was MKT, because they had the advantage of sneak, Hackers complained about their attacks not always hitting.....? and MAs, Gunmen and spies always complained about their effect timers because they could easily keep you bottlenecked for about 40 seconds, quite enough time to land a few LC2s and barrages ect, in IL though they did suck but, unless you can hit them with an enraging ability immediately they'd just roll out within a second. Simple
in any case using Hacker in CR1 and comparing MKT in CR2 while their are similarities it was a completely different ball game and most of the points are null.
MKT's didnt have to load VD? you musta been one crappy MKT then back in the day if you didnt load VD... Only way you could get away with not loading VD as a MKT was to load master shadow on a regular basis...
More than that, if a hackers intent was to land a LC2 on a player, they were one **** of an idiot of they didnt try to accomplish this from within interlock. All a hacker had to do to land an ability in interlock was to stun/blind a player then IL them and all their rolls would land. Your bottleneck theory is completely garbage because in a 1v1 if you were to have bottlenecked me back then I would have just hit you with subduing throw and stuned you for 20 seconds and then killed you ranged while your CT was trash, or I would have just hit you with a disabling shot to stun you. And as for MA in pvp, MA was trash in pvp back then, and remains trash in pvp to this day for the simple fact that it lacks the ability to support in a kill, or in more simplistic terms, lacks the ability to assist in a gank.
And as I said in my post, only people who complained about the length of debuffs from hackers in CR1 were thoes who were to lazy to info/consumable subs for anti's and activity facilitator pills. I had 0 problems fighting.
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In IL yes.... out of IL no, a good MKT should be able to keep the MA out of IL quite easily by throwing sever artery, deadly, neuro, ect. then they have abilities which root, and if the MKT has enough resistance (since you guys love using resistance in your arguments) then the damage from MA should be nullified, but since whenever I fight most MKTs they don't have that high resistance I can only assume that you don't feel there is a problem with the majority of MAs
MA's have full movment speed bonus via full belief, that means 160% movment speed. Any good MA sits on block tactics until they break your shield to start IL, good luck landing thoes 3 movment debuffs, more than that, you cant root the person if you have landed either nero dart or sever artery cause that dot will instantly break the root...
Total. Rubbish. There is no way you can fight an MKT or MA without using a Hyper, now yes the system is quite random but without defense your opponent will hit you every time and roll through your rolls. Adding in 10% defense in each tree would increase defense by a fair bit and actually putting 20-30% in Hacker would be reasonable since MKTs usually if starting with sneak will beat a Hacker.
if you say so, but I've been doing it daily since CR2 hit and know of many other players that do this daily to, all of which are/have been highly skilled and highly respected pvp'ers on syntax.
Yes it does allow a player to pull of a stealth attack, but I doubt it's to have no defense against it. Also CCtool would take of concealment because if you used the build to any extent you'd realize they are only stealthed because they have sneak going, CCtools breaks sneak so it will break conceal.
CC tools do not break sneak, and never have broken sneak... They break disguise and only have ever broken disguise, since CR2 was implimented they break the visual effect of the disguise but do not remove the disguise buff/stealth state.
AnXieTy wrote:Like I said, you can list off all the strengths of a class in the game or list all of its weak points to try to build a case for why you fail at fighting an MKT, but in the end what it comes down to is inexpierence, and its as simple as that. You like to get worked up any time I throw your CQ count in your face, but in this case, it is relivent to this "debate", you've been playing this game for at least a year and a half, yet your not even at 5k worth of CQ. Now as I've argued many times in the past, a players CQ count might not represent their individual skill in pvp, it does represent how much time they've spent pvp'ing. You can put up any weak sauce argument about how "you only have to sit on a team to get cq" or that "you can take CQ's from duels" etc... etc... But the simple fact is, you dont rack up the count by much by leeching or duelstopping someone, its done via time spent pvp'ing. And in this case man, its obvious you havnt spent enough time pvp'ing.No not really, I think people using CQ's to try prove people wrong is a humorous crutch, so keep Boasting about it, anyone with a semblance of cognitive ability will know that your arguments hold no water and this is your last resort. You should also note the number of people here who agree with me, if you want to get into an E-Peen competition I'll counter your weak CQ argument with my number of people who agree argument.
Like I said, you can list off all the strengths of a class in the game or list all of its weak points to try to build a case for why you fail at fighting an MKT, but in the end what it comes down to is inexpierence, and its as simple as that. You like to get worked up any time I throw your CQ count in your face, but in this case, it is relivent to this "debate", you've been playing this game for at least a year and a half, yet your not even at 5k worth of CQ. Now as I've argued many times in the past, a players CQ count might not represent their individual skill in pvp, it does represent how much time they've spent pvp'ing. You can put up any weak sauce argument about how "you only have to sit on a team to get cq" or that "you can take CQ's from duels" etc... etc... But the simple fact is, you dont rack up the count by much by leeching or duelstopping someone, its done via time spent pvp'ing. And in this case man, its obvious you havnt spent enough time pvp'ing.
think what you want pylat, but only a person in your position could think like that. I look at you and I see that kid who just hit lvl 50 who doesnt understand why he doesnt pwn at the game. When you become a pvp'er you'll learn, until then, you'll just keep coming up with things to support your mental crutch of why it isnt your fault.
Arcanoloth wrote:
AnXieTy wrote:and btw, thats the only post of any length I plan on writing, so save your breath pylat, ripping my post apart to counter argue it isnt going to provoke a response from me other than the type of responses I've posted here already. Just gonna put your hands on your ears and shout at the top of your lungs again? Or is this some attempt at a "Better man" argument by trying to place any rebuttal I post in a bad light? Either way your post was wrong on so many levels I had to respond and correct the numerous issues you got wrong and/or lied about.
and btw, thats the only post of any length I plan on writing, so save your breath pylat, ripping my post apart to counter argue it isnt going to provoke a response from me other than the type of responses I've posted here already.
More like an attempt at not arguing with a brick wall. You dont see my point of view, and I sure as **** wont ever see yours, so why waste my time and effort in writing more than a page and a half to reply to all the lame crap you come up with to support a mental crutch? People successfully combat MKT's every day, why cant you?
People successfully combat MKT's every day, why cant you?
AnXieTy wrote:think what you want pylat, but only a person in your position could think like that. I look at you and I see that kid who just hit lvl 50 who doesnt understand why he doesnt pwn at the game. When you become a pvp'er you'll learn, until then, you'll just keep coming up with things to support your mental crutch of why it isnt your fault.I lol'd, perhaps you should pay attention some time and see that many people consider me a very good PvPer. But of course all you have left is character assassination and I lol even more. Keep swinging your E-Peen Anxiety, I'm sure it makes you feel better about yourself.
And who would thoes people be? And who would thoes people be respected by? Having the respect of a bunch other players who dont pvp very often doesnt say much.
More than that pylat, where have I been "swinging my E-Peen"? I made a valid statment and provded facts to back it up.
Fact: you've been playing this game for more than a year and a half.
Fact: you have less than 5k worth of CQ
Fact: you only accumulate a high CQ count by pvp'ing.
I mean if ya do the math, its not hard to piece it together, your not a pvp'er, you may pvp on occasion, but its obviously not what your in this game to do.
AnXieTy wrote:More like an attempt at not arguing with a brick wall. You dont see my point of view, and I sure as **** wont ever see yours, so why waste my time and effort in writing more than a page and a half to reply to all the lame crap you come up with to support a mental crutch? People successfully combat MKT's every day, why cant you?Here's there difference Anxiety, I make sense, I can back up my arguments with Valid points and I don't have to rely on swinging my E-Peen when I argue with you (But if you want to start a DlCK swinging contest I'll be happy to oblige). You post half a page of crap that I can easily counter argue with VALID points while you just talk garbage and hope that we give up.
No, you make sense to you. Of the players I talk to, pvp with, and am faction mates with, they read what you have to say, ROFL for a minute or so, and then say the guy has no clue what he's talking about. You've backed up your arguments here with valid points, but as I've said many times, these so called "valid points" are things that one could find if they looked at any tree in the game to build a case aginst it. Your arguing that MKT is over powered, and are providing ___ number of reasons to support that argument, but I could argue that MA is over powered and provide ___ number of reasons that are just as solid as anything you've posted to build my case for why a nerf/fix should be done of that specific tree.
and again I'll ask, where's the E-peen swinging here?
AnXieTy wrote:People successfully combat MKT's every day, why cant you?People successfully Gank MKT's, or they get lucky and kill the crap ones, but the best MKT's on the server are *CENSORED* near unbeatable. So please stop lying, as always.
Im lying? Im saying it the way it is, the way that I see it and encounter it daily in pvp.
Fact: you've been playing this game for more than a year and a half.Fact: you have less than 5k worth of CQFact: you only accumulate a high CQ count by pvp'ing.I mean if ya do the math, its not hard to piece it together, your not a pvp'er, you may pvp on occasion, but its obviously not what your in this game to do.
No, you make sense to you. Of the players I talk to, pvp with, and am faction mates with, they read what you have to say, ROFL for a minute or so, and then say the guy has no clue what he's talking about.
You've backed up your arguments here with valid points, but as I've said many times, these so called "valid points" are things that one could find if they looked at any tree in the game to build a case aginst it. Your arguing that MKT is over powered, and are providing ___ number of reasons to support that argument, but I could argue that MA is over powered and provide ___ number of reasons that are just as solid as anything you've posted to build my case for why a nerf/fix should be done of that specific tree.
AnXieTy wrote:And who would thoes people be? And who would thoes people be respected by? Having the respect of a bunch other players who dont pvp very often doesnt say much.Totally, cause Spha, Gohda, Emilia, Epy, liltwie, Mliss, Acidtwin etc etc all never PvP and totally suck at it too.. right? I believe I told you that lying is bad already.
Im not going to name bash on the forums except to say I dont/wouldnt value the opinions of several of the players you listed there.
AnXieTy wrote: More than that pylat, where have I been "swinging my E-Peen"? I made a valid statment and provded facts to back it up.You constantly try to debase me by bringing up CQ counts, ie E-Peen swinging, and no, you never ever provide facts, you just say something and then take shots at people who disagree, that isn't how a valid argument is formed.
Its only E-Peen swinging if I bring up my CQ count. Me brining up yours is just to validate my point which is that your not a pvp'er. If there's a more conclusive way to say and prove that someone doesnt pvp often, you'll have to inform me of it so that I may change my argument in the future.
PvPing doesn't change the fact that every point I bring up is valid and undeniable. You have never successfully countered any of my statements, you take attempts to debase my character (Known as an Ad Hominem argument) or tried to state that the same arguments can be applied to anything, but again failed to deliver on the evidence.
thats about the same as saying you've watched alot of adult video's yet have never been with a partner, but think your opinion should be valued and recognized by thoes who have more expierence than you.
AnXieTy wrote:No, you make sense to you. Of the players I talk to, pvp with, and am faction mates with, they read what you have to say, ROFL for a minute or so, and then say the guy has no clue what he's talking about. And all the people I talk to think you have no clue either, the difference being you refuse to even provide any evidence at all to back up your opinion. If you want I could argue like you..."ZOMG I R RITE AND U R RONG, U R LO IN UR CQ!!!"...that's about all you have done so far, so you see why what you're say makes no sense.
The difference being in the quality of the players your talking to...
AnXieTy wrote:You've backed up your arguments here with valid points, but as I've said many times, these so called "valid points" are things that one could find if they looked at any tree in the game to build a case aginst it. Your arguing that MKT is over powered, and are providing ___ number of reasons to support that argument, but I could argue that MA is over powered and provide ___ number of reasons that are just as solid as anything you've posted to build my case for why a nerf/fix should be done of that specific tree.Oh really? Prove it. Again the difference is that when someone does complain about other trees there are valid points to counter what they argue. This does not apply with MKT cause you have completely failed to provide any arguments of the type.
I already listed several valid points of why a person could say one of the other trees in the game is over powered a few pages back, that list is the exact same type of crap you've been posting here.
AnXieTy wrote:and again I'll ask, where's the E-peen swinging here?Well, in the previous statement you made comments that all your friends think I am wrong and "ROFL" at me, more character assassination, Ad Hominem Arguments and E-Peen swinging.
A persons "E-Peen" is another way of saying a persons ego. You said that you make sense, to which I replied in saying, you make sense to you, and then stated that of the people that I talk to, they laugh at what you say and then say you dont know what your talking about.
AnXieTy wrote:Im lying? Im saying it the way it is, the way that I see it and encounter it daily in pvp."Apparently", but if you were so right you could provide evidence to back it up, but your outright refusal to begs me to differ.
What so called "evidence" do you want? You've posted all the numbers, etc.. etc.. to help facilitate your crutch. Of what you've posted the only aspect that should be done is to add in more defense because that is atypical of any other tree in the game, and I've already said that should be done. But as I also said even once thats done, thoes who are unable to fight MKT's now will still remain unable to fight MKT's after. The inablity to fight an MKT under the current build isnt because of any "design" flaws or aspects that are greatly over powered, its because of inexpierence.... in other words... you dont know what your doing when you go to fight an MKT. As I've said several times now, defeating an MKT's play style is as easy as doing 2 simple things, and if you fail at doing them, they deserve to be able to hit you. Like I said, a little more time in game and off the forums and you might figure it out.
Arcanoloth wrote:AnXieTy wrote:And who would thoes people be? And who would thoes people be respected by? Having the respect of a bunch other players who dont pvp very often doesnt say much.Totally, cause Spha, Gohda, Emilia, Epy, liltwie, Mliss, Acidtwin etc etc all never PvP and totally suck at it too.. right? I believe I told you that lying is bad already. Im not going to name bash on the forums except to say I dont/wouldnt value the opinions of several of the players you listed there.
What so called "evidence" do you want? You've posted all the numbers, etc.. etc.. to help facilitate your crutch. Of what you've posted the only aspect that should be done is to add in more defense because that is atypical of any other tree in the game, and I've already said that should be done.
But as I also said even once thats done, thoes who are unable to fight MKT's now will still remain unable to fight MKT's after.
The inablity to fight an MKT under the current build isnt because of any "design" flaws or aspects that are greatly over powered, its because of inexpierence.... in other words... you dont know what your doing when you go to fight an MKT. As I've said several times now, defeating an MKT's play style is as easy as doing 2 simple things, and if you fail at doing them, they deserve to be able to hit you. Like I said, a little more time in game and off the forums and you might figure it out.
AnXieTy wrote: Im not going to name bash on the forums except to say I dont/wouldnt value the opinions of several of the players you listed there.So basically your argument is boiling down to "I don't like you and I don't like the people you associate with". Well done, try and debase some more people and hope it sticks as a valid argument, you really need to learn how to debate.
no, more like what some of thoes people you listed are and arent capable of doing in pvp. There's alot of players in this game that I completely despise, but still give credit to for being good fighters.
AnXieTy wrote:Its only E-Peen swinging if I bring up my CQ count. Me brining up yours is just to validate my point which is that your not a pvp'er. If there's a more conclusive way to say and prove that someone doesnt pvp often, you'll have to inform me of it so that I may change my argument in the future.What you're trying to argue is that I don't know much about PvP because my CQ count is low. I'm going to say the same, you don't know much about PvP cause you are yet to deliver on any evidence to support your claims. The only way you can counter this is by pointing out your CQ count. Which boils down to E-Peen, so for your argument about my PvP skill (And your apparent logic to support it) to stick, you need to laud your high CQ count over me.
Thats actually a completely different argument all together, but the difference being pylat is that I dont have any problems fighting MKT's...
More than that, I havnt pointed out my CQ count at all, only yours, now if you want to point out my CQ count, go for it, I have nothing to be embarassed about.
AnXieTy wrote:thats about the same as saying you've watched alot of adult video's yet have never been with a partner, but think your opinion should be valued and recognized by thoes who have more expierence than you.If you want to stick along those lines, in effect you are arguing "I have been with a lot of women, so I KNOW that beating them with my fists is good and they like it" despite practically EVERY ounce of common sense, known practise and THE LAW pointing in the other direction. That's where your argument fails.
um... I think you missed the point by about a mile.
AnXieTy wrote:The difference being in the quality of the players your talking to...More pathetic character debasement Anxiety, honestly, nearly all your arguments boil down to abusing people and trying to debase people who disagree. If you're as smart as you try to act then you would know this does not prove anything and only makes you look like a sore loser.
it might be, but it also reflects a great deal of truth on the matter.
AnXieTy wrote:I already listed several valid points of why a person could say one of the other trees in the game is over powered a few pages back, that list is the exact same type of crap you've been posting here.And I already pointed out several reasons why those claims are incorrect and, in fact, MKT's are even better at using those "Apparent" overpowered aspects of that tree, but I'm sure if you ignore the trust of the matter it will go away eventually.
just as I've pointed out several reasons why I think your claims are incorrect. This is the reason why I've said numerous times here that making huge lists of "facts" to try to prove a point in nerfing a tree/class is pointless, because it can be done about everything in the game. You have your point of view and opinion, as I have mine, your not going to see mine, just as Im not going to see yours. The difference is while you'll continue to complain here on the forums about why your not getting it done in game, I'll be in game fighting with out problem because I know something that you dont about fighting in this game. As I've said, more time fighting, less time here on the forums talking about fighting.
AnXieTy wrote:A persons "E-Peen" is another way of saying a persons ego. You said that you make sense, to which I replied in saying, you make sense to you, and then stated that of the people that I talk to, they laugh at what you say and then say you dont know what your talking about.That's nice, but still no evidence Anxiety, just more debasement and pathetic flamebaiting, keep it up, it doesn't prove a thing.
Again I think you missed the point by a mile.... I was giving you the definition of what an "e-peen" is, followed by repeating what I had previously said to prove the point that in that statment, there is nothing that would "bolster" ones ego.
AnXieTy wrote:What so called "evidence" do you want? You've posted all the numbers, etc.. etc.. to help facilitate your crutch. Of what you've posted the only aspect that should be done is to add in more defense because that is atypical of any other tree in the game, and I've already said that should be done. No, I'm pretty sure you argued against that even. But if you want me to repeat all the other things I have said before that are broken with MKT I will be happy to oblige so you can read them all again. As for evidence, please inform me why MKT should have:The highest acc and CT bonuses in the game, by far, I don't mind a small advantage, but they have the highest base acc AND highest CT bonuses.Stacking timersThe highest DPS moves in the gameA relative lack of anti-MKT debuffs in the hacker treeNo Passive % defenses against itAbsurdly low IS Costs compared to their damage outputDisguises which allow them to sneak attack people with complete impunity cause CC Tools are broken.
I never argued aginst adding in more defense, as I said several times, added defence isnt going to help you if you cant beat an MKT now. Its the play style that you dont know how to beat. See this is you blaming your failure at fighting MKT's on something other than yourself.
And as for your list.
-You can make the claim that they have the highest acc, but you cannot say squat about the CT figures until a dev posts the exact figures for every move in the game. And again like I said, there's nothing atypical about MKT having the highest accuracy in the game due to the fact that every tree in the game is different, one tree was bound to end up with a higher acc than the rest. Thats not a good enough excuse to justify a nerf.
-every tree in the game has this.
-MKT does not have the highest DPS moves in the game, master assassin does, and thats intended. Just as a sniper is supposed to be able to kill you quickly from range. And the damage on the assassin moves is the same as its been since CR1.
-is a left over relic from how CR1 was, and wouldnt change a thing because attacking someone's accuracy is completely pointless, hense why very few hackers ever try to hit a gunman or MA's accuracy.
-as I said, the lack of defence is the only thing about MKT thats atypical. And I agree with that, even thoe I dont think it will help you at all.
-IS costs are set to make up for the lack of thrown free fire, when CR2 was first implimented the IS costs were much higher but then were reduced.
-if it wasnt disguise it would be from sneak, so whats the diff? More than that since I doubt you've ever actually used the CC tool in pvp and seen it work, its only a small hinderance, you might pop the disguise once, but after that you'll be waiting on the cooldown and then you'll get hit.
AnXieTy wrote:But as I also said even once thats done, thoes who are unable to fight MKT's now will still remain unable to fight MKT's after. Really, so after fixing CC Tools I'll still get hit by just as many disguised people? No, cause when they work I will be able to prevent that. I'll be able to dodge more staggering throws cause I will have thrown defense, people won't complain about lots of stacking timers cause they won't be stacking anymore. The point is, if people are still complaining after the fix then you can safely ignore that (As GyspyJuggler pointed out), but right now there are so many things broken that I have a real case to argue and support my position with that we have a logical base and in game evidence to support our opinion.
when I said once thats done, thoes who are unable to fight MKT's now will still remain unable to fight MKT's after, I was talking about adding in more thrown def, but thanks for trying to spin my words by pulling one line of text outta context.
AnXieTy wrote:The inablity to fight an MKT under the current build isnt because of any "design" flaws or aspects that are greatly over powered, its because of inexpierence.... in other words... you dont know what your doing when you go to fight an MKT. As I've said several times now, defeating an MKT's play style is as easy as doing 2 simple things, and if you fail at doing them, they deserve to be able to hit you. Like I said, a little more time in game and off the forums and you might figure it out. Really? Please inform me of these 2 magical things you do that allow you to annihilate MKT's in PvP and render all the things in their favour for nought. I'll start using them, and if they work, I'll stop complaining. Deal?
go machine and I'll gladly teach you how to pvp, til then I dont see why I'd want to help someone who's just going to use what I teach them aginst me.
If you want to continue debating this further pylat, I PM'd you our vent info, feel free to hop on there tomorrow and I'll drag you into a seperate chanell and we can debate this all you want. But as of that last post, Im done here, its getting further and further off topic, and I dont really have the motivation or desire to type this out any longer.
Thats actually a completely different argument all together, but the difference being pylat is that I dont have any problems fighting MKT's... More than that, I havnt pointed out my CQ count at all, only yours, now if you want to point out my CQ count, go for it, I have nothing to be embarassed about.
Arcanoloth wrote:AnXieTy wrote:The difference being in the quality of the players your talking to...More pathetic character debasement Anxiety, honestly, nearly all your arguments boil down to abusing people and trying to debase people who disagree. If you're as smart as you try to act then you would know this does not prove anything and only makes you look like a sore loser. it might be, but it also reflects a great deal of truth on the matter.
Arcanoloth wrote:AnXieTy wrote:I already listed several valid points of why a person could say one of the other trees in the game is over powered a few pages back, that list is the exact same type of crap you've been posting here.And I already pointed out several reasons why those claims are incorrect and, in fact, MKT's are even better at using those "Apparent" overpowered aspects of that tree, but I'm sure if you ignore the trust of the matter it will go away eventually. just as I've pointed out several reasons why I think your claims are incorrect. This is the reason why I've said numerous times here that making huge lists of "facts" to try to prove a point in nerfing a tree/class is pointless, because it can be done about everything in the game. You have your point of view and opinion, as I have mine, your not going to see mine, just as Im not going to see yours. The difference is while you'll continue to complain here on the forums about why your not getting it done in game, I'll be in game fighting with out problem because I know something that you dont about fighting in this game. As I've said, more time fighting, less time here on the forums talking about fighting.
Arcanoloth wrote:AnXieTy wrote:A persons "E-Peen" is another way of saying a persons ego. You said that you make sense, to which I replied in saying, you make sense to you, and then stated that of the people that I talk to, they laugh at what you say and then say you dont know what your talking about.That's nice, but still no evidence Anxiety, just more debasement and pathetic flamebaiting, keep it up, it doesn't prove a thing. Again I think you missed the point by a mile.... I was giving you the definition of what an "e-peen" is, followed by repeating what I had previously said to prove the point that in that statment, there is nothing that would "bolster" ones ego.
-You can make the claim that they have the highest acc, but you cannot say squat about the CT figures until a dev posts the exact figures for every move in the game.
...Spy abilities already have a higher average Acc bonus then any other set of abilities.By "average" I mean if you added up the inherant Acc from all the spy attacks and then divided by number of abilities the average would be higher than the same process used on any other set of abilities by this.
...Spy abilities already have a higher average Acc bonus then any other set of abilities.
By "average" I mean if you added up the inherant Acc from all the spy attacks and then divided by number of abilities the average would be higher than the same process used on any other set of abilities by this.
And again like I said, there's nothing atypical about MKT having the highest accuracy in the game due to the fact that every tree in the game is different, one tree was bound to end up with a higher acc than the rest. Thats not a good enough excuse to justify a nerf.
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