[8.1.1] We had to move because they had us dead to rights - Vector - 7/12/07

Skill · 07/15/2007 11:25:33

Satta wrote:

Okay let's get back to the Matrix now. The only way to get there is together. But if Zion is unable or unwilling to quiet the radical Zionites who continue to be a threat to the Matrix and bluepills by attacking the Machines then we will take them out ourselves. We must rid this cancer in humanity so that humanity can live.

Who?

**steadyhand**

being one to look at the big pitcher what the hell is merv up two at the moment, its not like him to miss a profit and with a army in the real he could cause all sorts of problems for both sides.

Skill · 07/15/2007 14:06:30

steadyhand wrote:

being one to look at the big pitcher what the hell is merv up two at the moment, its not like him to miss a profit and with a army in the real he could cause all sorts of problems for both sides.

((Good thinking. Thanks goes to xenin.))

Skill

Illyria22 wrote:

Niobe, you were thankful that Neo bought you two years. But if you'd abided by the truce, he could have bought you *forever*.

Sorry, but a truce is only temporary. Just remember...

Rylet: We could free bluepills as long as the Machines had the ability to well.. crush us.
Rylet: Some truce, huh?

You say we were preparing for war. Funny, because I believe you guys were, too. You've seen the effects first-hand.

**Eleutherophobia**

steadyhand wrote:

being one to look at the big pitcher what the hell is merv up two at the moment, its not like him to miss a profit and with a army in the real he could cause all sorts of problems for both sides.

What do they keep in the big pitcher?

**steadyhand**

thanks oh well crap that confirmed my fear he is up to something already know were just going to have to wait to see which side he takes on the off chanse he plays both or decied to be his own side (er that didnt come out right but im sure you no what i mean)

either just as well i like hoarding contacts think im going to need them.

**steadyhand** · 07/15/2007 14:46:52

"What do they keep in the big pitcher?"

i cant spell deal with it SMILEY

also fruit and cookies

**Neoteny**

Satta wrote:

Okay let's get back to the Matrix now. The only way to get there is together. But if Zion is unable or unwilling to quiet the radical Zionites who continue to be a threat to the Matrix and bluepills by attacking the Machines then we will take them out ourselves. We must rid this cancer in humanity so that humanity can live.

We don't attack the Machines, we don't have the means.

They attack us, and I'll be damned if we won't defend ourselves.

If that makes us all demons in your eyes, then so be it, I'd rather be alive and demonized than a dead saint.

((Man, I hope the brothers W. are reading this stuff, I think they'd finally see that this little project is easily living up to the franchise.))

**Signs**

Here's the point people seem to be missing...

The "defensive weapons" that New Zion armed with are just that, defensive. And they can only be used definsively. All the APUs and EMPS can ONLY be used if the Machines INVADE ZION. So the only reason the Machines should be mad about this is if they were PLANNING TO INVADE.

I'm not fond of being under the gun, myself. That's why I joined EPN. Zion Command did this to protect its people. In what way does that make Zion the bad guys?

**GypsyJuggler**

We have gone from a situation where Zion was more or less helpless against the Machines to a situation where the Machines are more or less helpless against Zion. Zion trusted the Machines not to destroy them. Can the Machines not trust Zion the same way? This is how friendship may be formed.
Sure, there will always be trouble-makers like Anome but it is clear the Machines have their own trouble-makers too - namely the General.
Both sides have as much to lose and both sides have as much to gain.
Ideally our future holds cooperation between Man and Machine. New power sources can be found so that no one need fear death from another. When all is said and done, both Man and Machine may have their freedom. Some bluepills are not ready to be freed, they will be able to live out their lives. Exiles will have the right to choose a body in the real or to continue inside the Matrix. Everyone gets what they want.

Trust in Zion.

**Lucen**

Neoteny wrote:

If that makes us all demons in your eyes, then so be it, I'd rather be alive and demonized than a dead saint.

So you'd rather be alive and evil than dead and good? Thanks for clearing that up for us.

**Neoteny** · 07/15/2007 21:54:21

Lucen wrote:

Neoteny wrote:
If that makes us all demons in your eyes, then so be it, I'd rather be alive and demonized than a dead saint.

So you'd rather be alive and evil than dead and good? Thanks for clearing that up for us.

You got it, chief.

Apparently, I can save more people as a devil, anyway. If I've got to pay for that in the afterlife, I gladly will.

After all, what's my life in respect to what your own liaison has identified as millions? Nothing, that's what.

**MxO-PhanthomZtryker**

theduke

Lets see which organization comes crawling to Club Hel first asking for The Merovingian's help... Whoever it is better have something good in return

**Illyria22**

Crossover wrote:

If I were a machinist I would be preaching to the machines with all my heart to not retract the truce simply because Zion's protecting herself.

The Machinists are not your keepers. We will not go to the Machines begging them to forgive you for doing something that your leaders *knew* would be construed as breaking the truce. If you want the truce back so badly, talk to them yourselves.

Illyria