Coro wrote:

Havocide wrote:

Coro wrote:

I am disappointed that EPN did not feel in a position to share information with Zion until after-the-fact. Fortunately, The Daniel Institute were able to ascertain some details prior to the incident, but no thanks to the E Plurubites.

Reason for this being we didn't know they where targeting Zion. Since we got info they was targeting EPN. So really, we didn't have any need to tell you. As it was EPN issues. Untill we knew they was after Zion, which was too late then. So we then passed info to Harkee moment she jacked in.

((I completely understand Havo, no offence meant: Coro is looking for evidence to support an agenda.))

And this means that Zion sleeps before our Liaison arrives? Zion operatives were obviously in the area and actively seeking answers, yet no information was forth-coming. This matter was always likely to involve a defensive action: Zion would hardly have much sympathy for the aggressors in such a flash-point. The Cypherites had no such dilemma in securing Machinist support....

Surely your "data" should been held more tightly within the organisation of yours?

Last I knew, Zion wouldn't share information with EPN..so why would EPN have any reason to just tell you?

I believe you misconstrue the motive of my comments: There is a current disparity when comparing the EPN/Zion relationship to that of CYPH/Mech. I do not criticise the security protocols you have engaged, I highlight that it is simply in opposition to how readily the Cypherites acquire Machinist resources. We can use this matter as an opportunity, to revisit the imbalance which currently exisits.

Whilst I imagine Zion would not wish to be involved in offensive actions by EPN, I see no issue that we provide support in defensive incidents. This preserves the interests of both our organisations, and indirectly preserves the Truce; by maintaining the status quo. Similarly, Zion should reciprocate with information of similar relevance to EPN.

Of course, the other option is that Zion petitions The Machines and requires a directive to Mech operatives, that they do not support The Cypherites. The current situtaion implies that The Machines condone such support, and motions towards a breach of the Pact.

I criticise the difference which exists: Not the efforts of EPN in this matter. Zion owes you its thanks. I hope this clarifies my points.

**Closes the popcorn stand**

Signs wrote:

Bayamo wrote:

EPN ARE NOT ZION?

Well, yes and no.  We're Zion when it comes to the really big stuff, critical missions, fighting off large threats...  but when it comes to disputes between operatives, which this seems to be (although it does seem to be a very big one, not sure yet what the consequences will be), we do not belong to the Zion of Commander Lock because we have seperated ourselves from what we feel is his overly conservative policy.  At least that's the way I see it.

I hope very much though, that in the future, Zion and EPN can learn to work together, despite our differences, to insure that incidents like this one are avoided.

Do you have any idea how many Zion factions just ignore orders from Zion Command?  Hell, I'm a cypherite and apparently I know more about Zion than you do.

I agree that in many cases it can be difficult to distinguish between Zion and EPN operatives. Not a trend I'm fond of, but that's how it's been for a long time. In many cases, I've seen Zion factions act more EPN than Zion. Ah, well. As long as there are no consequences for such, I suppose that's how organizations will interact.

((I think what bothers me OOC about EPN is just how bad the Kid and Shimada are as leader characters.  They're little more than glorified cheerleaders who can fight well.  Further, every time they've been challenged by the machines, cypherites, or anyone else on the use of code bombs or other such aggressive tactics, they back down, distance themselves from the perps, and whimper pathetically.  If EPN is to distinguish itself from Zion, it should use code bombs, it should attack the machines, and it should do this proudly and openly.  That's really the only way I could respect EPN as a truly different org, OOC-wise.))

((Zion and EPN lack any real distinction on all levels its an ongoing problem for the story the more things they have to bring them together the more obvious the problem, but then placing the Mechs and Cyphs together as events have of late robs the Cyphs of their unique distinction also, either we are headed to a merging of these sub orgs with their parent or else the story is perched on a precipice, with the potential to plumett into an oblivion that holds no credibility whatsoever.))