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[8.1.1] We had to move because they had us dead to rights - Vector - 7/12/07
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Zion Captain

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Neo bought us two years.

Let's show him it was enough.

-Niobe

 





Systemic Anomaly

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((Seriously though... what are the tie clips for? ))



Systemic Anomaly

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Oh Niobe, first the Machines offer your kind the peace and stability of the Matrix: You throw that away. And then they offer you the peace and stability of the Truce: You throw that away too. Its true that the Machines could of wiped you out at any point, but they didn't. Its time to teach you and the rest of your unappreciative kind a lesson. A lesson that has been taught six times before. Be seeing you again soon.



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Ebola wrote:
Oh Niobe, first the Machines offer your kind the peace and stability of the Matrix: You throw that away. And then they offer you the peace and stability of the Truce: You throw that away too. Its true that the Machines could of wiped you out at any point, but they didn't. Its time to teach you and the rest of your unappreciative kind a lesson. A lesson that has been taught six times before. Be seeing you again soon.


And now, suddenly because we have the capability to defend ourselves, they want to wipe us out?

Something here doesn't add up.

Awakenings will be processed at double time, if not more quickly, if we can. I recommend that we manufacture and use as many Code Pulse Bombs as possible. Knowledge will be our salvation.

Zion offers her hand to our Machinist brothers and sisters. We realize that you may not agree with us, but we need you, now, more than ever. We're under attack, I'm sure you see that, and however it is that you view the situation the facts are simple - Zion and free humanity will die unless we have all the support we can muster. We can't promise the safety of the System, but attacking our bluepill cousins isn't any sort of goal of ours. If you would like to join the fight for humanity, we welcome you with open arms.

Zion offers her hand to our brothers and sisters in E Pluribus Neo. We are in the same boat now, and whether or not we disagree on a few issues, we are stronger united than we are separate. I formally apologize for my past viewpoints and claims against E Pluribus Neo, as they were made in an attempt to preserve a sham of a truce which was falling apart at the seam. We need you now, more than ever. Let us put the past behind us, and be as brothers not estranged, but reunited.

I will continue my work killing Cypherites in the Real. My only regret is that I did not begin work earlier... Maybe we could've kept that craft from spotting New Zion.

Niobe, the Saltpillar is ready for orders, as always.

"Give Me Peace, Or Give Me Death".

-Neoteny


Message edited by Neoteny on 07/13/2007 19:35:52.



Systemic Anomaly

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Neoteny wrote:
Ebola wrote:
Oh Niobe, first the Machines offer your kind the peace and stability of the Matrix: You throw that away. And then they offer you the peace and stability of the Truce: You throw that away too. Its true that the Machines could of wiped you out at any point, but they didn't. Its time to teach you and the rest of your unappreciative kind a lesson. A lesson that has been taught six times before. Be seeing you again soon.


And now, suddenly because we have the capability to defend ourselves, they want to wipe us out?

Something here doesn't add up.

Awakenings will be processed at double time, if not more quickly, if we can. I recommend that we manufacture and use as many Code Pulse Bombs as possible. Knowledge will be our salvation.

Zion offers her hand to our Machinist brothers and sisters. We realize that you may not agree with us, but we need you, now, more than ever. We're under attack, I'm sure you see that, and however it is that you view the situation the facts are simple - Zion and free humanity will die unless we have all the support we can muster. We can't promise the safety of the System, but attacking our bluepill cousins isn't any sort of goal of ours. If you would like to join the fight for humanity, we welcome you with open arms.

Zion offers her hand to our brothers and sisters in E Pluribus Neo. We are in the same boat now, and whether or not we disagree on a few issues, we are stronger united than we are separate. I formally apologize for my past viewpoints and claims against E Pluribus Neo, as they were made in an attempt to preserve a sham of a truce which was falling apart at the seam. We need you now, more than ever. Let us put the past behind us, and be as brothers not estranged, but reunited.

I will continue my work killing Cypherites in the Real. My only regret is that I did not begin work earlier... Maybe we could've kept that craft from spotting New Zion.

Niobe, the Saltpillar is ready for orders, as always.

"Give Me Peace, Or Give Me Death".

-Neoteny


I think you are missing what Niobe said...

I believe that Niobe followed the ancient saying "In times of peace, prepare for war". Zion used this peace, to build an army stronger than before, and move that army and civilian population into a more fortified position. They want to try to oppose the Machines, they will not win. It is impossible to stand up to the might of the Machines. Zion wants a war, they will get one. A wise Machine once said "Surrender your flesh, we demand it."




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Ebola wrote:

Oh Niobe, first the Machines offer your kind the peace and stability of the Matrix: You throw that away. And then they offer you the peace and stability of the Truce: You throw that away too. Its true that the Machines could of wiped you out at any point, but they didn't. Its time to teach you and the rest of your unappreciative kind a lesson. A lesson that has been taught six times before. Be seeing you again soon.

 

 

There is no peace and stability looking into the barrel of a loaded gun. The Truce was thrown away by the Machines. The Machines didn't wipe out Zion because it wasn't about peace, it's never been about peace, only control. Now that Zion is no longer under the Machine gunpoint control, the Machines want to wipe out Zion. Zion gave the Machines every chance they could for this Truce to become a real peace and the Machines without any known threat from Zion have thrown it all away.

If Zion falls, we're all dead. Fight for the Machines against Zion and you fight for your own death.

Zion will not fall. Zion's existence will continue to protect all from annihilation by the Machines no matter where you stand.



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Ebola wrote:
I think you are missing what Niobe said...

I believe that Niobe followed the ancient saying "In times of peace, prepare for war". Zion used this peace, to build an army stronger than before, and move that army and civilian population into a more fortified position. They want to try to oppose the Machines, they will not win. It is impossible to stand up to the might of the Machines. Zion wants a war, they will get one. A wise Machine once said "Surrender your flesh, we demand it."

Yeah, we prepared.

To defend ourselves.

From this. very. action.

Are we not justified?


Message edited by Neoteny on 07/13/2007 19:47:32.



Ascendent Logic

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Niobe, you've made it clear that Zion never wanted peace.  You are the reason we were enslaved in the first place, and you are the reason we cannot live in peace with our machine brothers and sisters.  You and anyone who thinks like you are a cancer and must be cut out if we are ever to heal and stand a chance of living through another generation.

You make me sick, and I am fully prepared to put you and your followers down to protect the billions of humans who still need the Matrix as well as the machines who have just as much right to live on this planet as we do.

odj


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Neoteny wrote:
Ebola wrote:
Oh Niobe, first the Machines offer your kind the peace and stability of the Matrix: You throw that away. And then they offer you the peace and stability of the Truce: You throw that away too. Its true that the Machines could of wiped you out at any point, but they didn't. Its time to teach you and the rest of your unappreciative kind a lesson. A lesson that has been taught six times before. Be seeing you again soon.


And now, suddenly because we have the capability to defend ourselves, they want to wipe us out?

Something here doesn't add up.

You were not authorized to create a new zion or new defences, you will now pay the price for defying the machines.



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r3spon5e wrote:

There is no peace and stability looking into the barrel of a loaded gun. The Truce was thrown away by the Machines. The Machines didn't wipe out Zion because it wasn't about peace, it's never been about peace, only control. Now that Zion is no longer under the Machine gunpoint control, the Machines want to wipe out Zion. Zion gave the Machines every chance they could for this Truce to become a real peace and the Machines without any known threat from Zion have thrown it all away.

If Zion falls, we're all dead. Fight for the Machines against Zion and you fight for your own death.

Zion will not fall. Zion's existence will continue to protect all from annihilation by the Machines no matter where you stand.


If it was about control, they'd have wiped out Zion the second Neo was dead, then restarted the cycle.  They didn't because they wanted to give us the chance to live in peace with them.  You and your ilk have spit in the face of that.



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You have all heard the story.  Mankind is only good at death?  We've been doing it for thousands of years right?  That gives us one hell of a head start on the Machines.  Bring it.  We're ready for you. 

odj


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r3spon5e wrote:
If Zion falls, we're all dead. Fight for the Machines against Zion and you fight for your own death.
Incorrect, we have shown loyalty to the machines and for that we will be spared.



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Ebola wrote:


I think you are missing what Niobe said...

I believe that Niobe followed the ancient saying "In times of peace, prepare for war". Zion used this peace, to build an army stronger than before, and move that army and civilian population into a more fortified position. They want to try to oppose the Machines, they will not win. It is impossible to stand up to the might of the Machines. Zion wants a war, they will get one. A wise Machine once said "Surrender your flesh, we demand it."

Zion isn't opposing the Machines. The Machines are opposing Zion's liberation form the Machine threat. The Truce was never a peace. Truces don't exist without a war to abate conflict within. Zion didn't create this war, the Machines did as a measure of control in the great deception of the Cycle of the One. The Machines want war as they've shown by attacking New Zion networks despite any known threat from Zion to 01 or the system.

 



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Oh...my...freaking...god. Hahahahahahaha... whew, sometimes, you zionites make me laugh at how *CENSORED* *CENSORED* you all are.




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Lucen wrote:
r3spon5e wrote:

There is no peace and stability looking into the barrel of a loaded gun. The Truce was thrown away by the Machines. The Machines didn't wipe out Zion because it wasn't about peace, it's never been about peace, only control. Now that Zion is no longer under the Machine gunpoint control, the Machines want to wipe out Zion. Zion gave the Machines every chance they could for this Truce to become a real peace and the Machines without any known threat from Zion have thrown it all away.

If Zion falls, we're all dead. Fight for the Machines against Zion and you fight for your own death.

Zion will not fall. Zion's existence will continue to protect all from annihilation by the Machines no matter where you stand.


If it was about control, they'd have wiped out Zion the second Neo was dead, then restarted the cycle.  They didn't because they wanted to give us the chance to live in peace with them.  You and your ilk have spit in the face of that.

Wrong. The Cycle of the One failed with Neo's emergence. Six Cycles pass and then failure. That's a 15% failure rate. Incredibly inefficient by any Machine standard. The Truce was merely another attempt at maintianing control without resorting to the rreturn of the Cycle of the One which will eventually fail again.

It has always been about control and nothing else.

 
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