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"theKid" Neos representivie for the living or fanatic cursader?
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Jacked Out

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I dont think ive seen much talk about the kid in the present sence, IE MXO.

 

What do you think the kid is? Is he so true to Neo's teachings that hes like the deciples were to christ? Where what he says is to be taken like the words of Neo?

Or is he a persent day fanatical crusader whos motto is if you are not with us you are against us for every redpill that is not EPN?

Is he somewhere in between the two?

 

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Personally, I believe The Kid is being used as a figure head, because, let's be honest, he's a noob, he's greener than the code of the Matrix. He is one of the first documented humans to wake up without a pill, he trans-substantiated.

Neo denies being responcible for this, he's the one who got into contact with the kid, but he didn't pull him out, the kid did it all by himself. The Kid suffers from Hero Worship, a worship that goes on even after his Hero is dead.

The Kid later becomes a hero in his own right by opening the bay doors and allowing the hammer to stop the first wave of the machine attack.

So now the people of Zion have declared him a Hero, which makes makes his opinion (a dangerous thing in the wrong hands) more important to the masses. Of course, he thinks Neo is a god, or a savior, or something along that line. Neo denies this for the most part, but, of course, people think he's just being modest.

I think the Kid got into more than he could handle, However, Shimada is something interesting. She seems to know what she's doing, also interesting to note that she is one of if not THE only EPN member to not dress like Trinity or Neo.





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Self-substantiated.


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I don't think he's a disciple of neo as neo didn't appoint him to be one like Jesus did with his disciples. He probably is just a fanatic who thinks what he's doing is right when it isn't. Bluepills shouldn't be forced to be awakened especially when 99% of them are going to reject it. However I don't think he feels all the other orgs are against him like zion as they reached an understanding with them. It's the cytherites they don't like as they are trying to make redpills back into bluepills, which is the opposite of what EPN are doing.



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Definately a fanatic. I have a feeling that he's so blinded by his hero worship of Neo that he doesn't quite *get* why the One did what he did and chose what he chose. Neo sacrificed himself ultimately to save both the Real and the Matrix from each other, but from what I can tell, the Kid seems to have missed this completely. He's as bad as the Cypherites, for the complete opposite reason. And there's one little Merv girl who'd be happen to enlighten him first with a round-house punch, then with a tongue-lashing.



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I've always seen The Kid as someone that no one knows the full story of. Today was a perfect example. So often people over look that he actually did know Neo. Spent 6 months with him and would have had time to get to know him. While the idol worship may have annoyed Neo he still was his friend in a way.

Next to Trinity and Morpheus the Kid probably knows Neo the best. All of there deaths shook him and he started looking for a purpose. he found it and that was defending neos memory and sharing his ideas with others.

Sadly however the org he runs has gotten a very bad rap due to leaked info and everyone thinking it was the Morph org. Then a dev screws up with code bombs and the TaeCross thing didn't help any. But if you go back and look you will see that The Kid never speaks ill of any group other then the Cypherites and is hardly a fanatic in his faith in neo. While it may seem a bit overboard at times he's still a good guy and nothing like what people seem to make him out to be.

So no he isn't exactly a disciple but he is defiantly an apostle of Neo and despite his age is a good leader.

 

 




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I think The Kid is a fanatic, and thus a danger to the truce.  In the film reloaded, didn't Neo actually seem annoyed with The Kid?  (The scene where they just got home to Zion and the Kid comes running up and Neo says "Oh No..." or something along those line.) 





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MatrixRefugee wrote:
Definately a fanatic. I have a feeling that he's so blinded by his hero worship of Neo that he doesn't quite *get* why the One did what he did and chose what he chose. Neo sacrificed himself ultimately to save both the Real and the Matrix from each other, but from what I can tell, the Kid seems to have missed this completely. He's as bad as the Cypherites, for the complete opposite reason. And there's one little Merv girl who'd be happen to enlighten him first with a round-house punch, then with a tongue-lashing.
Not a fanatic, a man with a purpose. Although this purpose may be frowned apon by many   

And no one knows why neo done what he did, he didn`t tell anyone wich makes anything you or i say about it pure speculation


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The Kids tend to be overly gung-ho when they find something to believe in.


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When Pluribus Neo was officially formed, he did release a few code bombs himself, as seen in a critical mission.

He's young and naive. Technically, he should already be dead. I don't believe he truly knew the purpose of what Neo and the One stood for. The fact of the matter is, that his organization gives EPN a very bad rep, and that reflects on the Kid. He's not meant to be a leader, and doesn't have the same qualities and expterise in the Matrix as someone like Morpheus.

To be honest, what has he really done since the truce, besides being a nuisance?



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Remag_Div wrote:
When Pluribus Neo was officially formed, he did release a few code bombs himself, as seen in a critical mission.

He's young and naive. Technically, he should already be dead. I don't believe he truly knew the purpose of what Neo and the One stood for. The fact of the matter is, that his organization gives EPN a very bad rep, and that reflects on the Kid. He's not meant to be a leader, and doesn't have the same qualities and expterise in the Matrix as someone like Morpheus.

To be honest, what has he really done since the truce, besides being a nuisance?

Quoted for truth. 



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eh, which cinematic exactly did you see him droping bombs cos i dont remeber seeing any, but it has been a while since i watched them.

also i think it was only the extremists of the group - the epn equivelent to the sleepwakers who went around droping bombs not the main portion of epn, and they were swiftly removed from the group after those incidents.


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Do NOT underestimate the importance of the Kid.

Has anyone ever thought about the cinematic where EPN is formed and he goes " Neo told me.. before he.."

Before he what?

The only time Neo could've spoken to the Kid was when he gave him the (or for you fans, no-) spoon.
Between the time where Neo was in the ship with Trinity moving their way up to the core of the machine city, communications were probably dead and besides.  The Kid was on the docks.

So again, before he what?


I've said it before and I'll say it again... there's more to the Kid than you think...


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I'm sure there are times when Neo spoke to Kid at length. I mean.....it's a movie so.....not every moment in their lives are shown. I never once saw someone on the toilet so it only stands to reason that other moments weren't shown, right? SMILEY


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The Kid believes he's doing what Neo would have wanted.  But what he believes Neo would have wanted and what Neo actually would have wanted aren't necessarily the same thing.  Also, he's attracted alot of dangerous people to his group -- fanatics who don't care about the truce and who don't care if they murder bluepills if it means they can get what they want...whether it's Neo's body, an end to the Matrix, or a mass awakening of those in their pods.

The Kid is a rallying point for those redpills who want to go back to the old, pre-Truce ways.  They look at the Machine civilization as The Enemy, the same way the US used to look at the Soviet Union or al Qaeda looks at the West.  They need this enemy to fight and struggle against, because that's how they define themselves -- by what they are not, by what they fight against.  It all falls apart if the enemy somehow becomes a friend. 

Without an Enemy, they are nothing. 

 

Illyria


 
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