Is The Matrix coming true?

**Sabus**

Interesting... It seems that The Matrix- right along with other movies like I-Robot and The Terminator- might be coming true.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050829/ap_on_hi_te/japan_humanoid_robot

God.... I don't want anything like that! Yeah, sure, cool idea... But really- what possibly can say it any better than robots: Humans are lazy.

DragonStorm

Theres another robot out there, which I;ve lost the link for now, which
is so realistic (fake skin, etc) when it talks to you, that you'd swear
it was real for at least the first 5 or 10 mins of your conversation
with it. Now thats a scary robot!

**TheEx**

Good lord no...

Well I guess so long as they don't actually invent Artificial
Intelligence we will be all right. By AI, I do mean actual
expandable AI that grows and learns on its own without programming
interference. Adaptive and intelligent machines are going to put
us out of our misery if we ever actually make it so they can truly
think. Ponder it for a bit, what happens when humans try to
enslave other humans? They revolt because they can think about
their situation and object to it. If we grant machines the same
ability, can anyone honestly think they will actually obey us?
The only thing that seperates us from machines or animals is our
ability to think rationally and consciously beyond the level of
instinct or programming. Last thing we need is machines that can
think...we'll all be doomed.

Jiinx

http://www.absolutelyandy.com/tvadverts/

Scroll about 1/3rd of the way down and look for the fosters advert.

Inspired by Bender (Futurama) methinks.

Anyways, thats my kind of droid.

Regards

Jiinx

RiP

Cognoscente

http://www.absolutelyandy.com/tvadverts/videos_wmv4/genie_sameworld.wmv

Down 2 spots is this link. Reminds me of the Matrix.

And I can't wait until there are artificially intelligent beings. Maybe then all human beings won't see seperations in culture or color. But I doubt it.

I predict 10 years from now this robot would be improved and inexpensive by 10 fold down to $1,400, excluding inflation of course.

The Few, The Proud, The Machines. - Krytical

EDIT: fixed the URL

Message Edited by Cognoscente on 08-29-2005 06:57 PM
Message edited by Cognoscente on 08/29/2005 14:57:36.

**P0ET**

Should read Ray Kurzweil's 'The Age of Spiritual Machines' where he plots out the next 100 years for the rise of AI. Fascinating to read.

Message Edited by P0ET on 08-30-2005 12:07 AM
Message edited by P0ET on 08/29/2005 15:07:03.

Katla

TheEx wrote:
Good lord no...

Well I guess so long as they don't actually invent Artificial Intelligence we will be all right. By AI, I do mean actual expandable AI that grows and learns on its own without programming interference. Adaptive and intelligent machines are going to put us out of our misery if we ever actually make it so they can truly think. Ponder it for a bit, what happens when humans try to enslave other humans? They revolt because they can think about their situation and object to it. If we grant machines the same ability, can anyone honestly think they will actually obey us? The only thing that seperates us from machines or animals is our ability to think rationally and consciously beyond the level of instinct or programming. Last thing we need is machines that can think...we'll all be doomed.

Unless you make robots based on Asimov's Three Laws...they'll never rebel en masse...but they would lead to a situation where the robots overprotect humans, who will then become overpampered and complacent.

Elome

Well, from what it seems after reading that, the robot has no intelligence, it is just able to recognize words.

Create a robot with a singular consiousness and self-awareness! Then I will be impressed.

dataslayer

a singular consciousness is still gunna take a bit o time, but the fact that we have quasi intelligence now is enough for me to question where things are going. Being a programmer, I have always thought that in the future (probably more near than far) we will create AI, true AI, and that thought is scary. Oh don't get me wrong, I actually think its quite amazing that we could come this far to create a machine that can do some amazing feats, and might even have some intelligence. I've always marveled at our creations in computers. But to actually create a life from such a thing is scary (albeit very beautiful).

It has been said that Laziness is the mother of all inventions. I think this holds true for almost all inventions (no not ALL , but a great deal of them). We created autonomous machines to do mathematics at first because they could do them really quickly and efficiently. We didn't want to sit around all day and figure out half of the problem just to come back the next day and find the other half when we could create this machine to do 10 problems in 1 day. Yes this was for efficiency, but it was out of laziness too, and I don't blame them. I know I wouldn't to spend 2 days on one problem, when I know that a machine could do 10 in 1 day.

Fast forward to today. The autonomous machines we have today are incredible. They "think" at dizzying speeds. They are able to crunch numbers faster than we can even process a thought. We have broken the mold of them doing 1 task at a time, and have made computers will multiple "minds" so they can truly multi-task. This is very human-like. Much further than any person who made machines way way back when ever thought we'd be with these math machines. This development has come about in the last 60 years or so. Imagine what it will be like in the next 60 years. (mind you, I use the terms "think" and "mind" very loosely)

With this in mind, I have no doubt that we will succeed in AI, even if at a rudimentary fashion. Actually we have already, although its learning capabilities after its "born" aren't sufficient to really learn much, just what its programmed to learn. It is only a matter of time before we create fully conscious machines. And I bet you anything, these robots will be doing our bidding, as shown in just about any "future" movie. I say this because of my statement above, as well as because of the movies. Laziness. Why would you do something that will take X amount of time, when you know that a robot will do it in 1/X amount of time? Or better yet, if you know that the 3 laws are tried and true, why not have a robot as a body guard? Or any number of other reasons as to why not have one, or create one for that matter.

Now this in of itself actually sounds quite wonderful. But what is scary is exactly what I've seen in I-Robot or the Matrix. Its scary not cause its a movie, but because i can see it coming true. Especially with the way we are headed into the future. When they are "born" they will have a purpose, just like every other machine does. Theirs will be to serve and protect (unless otherwise made for other purposes, like checking out distant planets and such..). If we ever created AI which is truly intelligent, then I think that it would see that protecting us would lead to confining us, since we has humans, although are rational, are very irrational as well. Unless we can simulate emotion, I don't think a robot will understand why we act the way we act, or start war, or love, or any other emotion. And not understanding that will cause them to think logically (that's what they do best). Since they are programmed to protect, that is what they will do. What's more, if they value their life as well, which a fully conscious being almost certainly will, when they are sent off to war to protect us, what's to say they wouldn't revolt? I know I'd be confused as hell. "they want me to protect them, so i fight for them, but at the same time, I'm alive... *CENSORED*??"

what's even worse, is if we create AI, a fully conscious being, and they start doing everything for us. What's to happen to us? Is the dream life of I-Robot to come true where we have more time with our families? Where's our source of income at that point? What will humans be used for? All the robots are out bettering our lives but at what cost to us? It will be machines creating machines, which create AI... which all leads down to the Terminator (eh now my minds off in movie land....)

Meh, I guess who really knows?? I certainly don't. I look to the future, but I am leary as well....

**TheEx**

Now that is exactly what I'm talking about. It isn't so much the
idea that we shouldn't continue with our progress in this feild, it is
just that when we finally get there, I fear forthings like the Matrix
as a frighteningly realistic possibility. The problem is, nobody
really can tell you how a conscious machine will act, because in
essence, wouldn't it be human? No one can really predict a
human's actions or decisions. I suppose by nature machiens would
be more logical in their thinking, but would that stop them from making
unpredicted decisions?

boomz

check this one out

DolalrBill

boombye wrote:

check this one out

Someone is a lonley man. :smileyvery-happy:

**ManicV**

"... It was not long before seeds of dissent took root."

LordDemon

First commandment from the "galactic convention" from Frank Herberts "Dune" series....

"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind"

This after hundreds of years of oppressive machine rule, and a world cleansing Jihad against the machines we created.

Good books if you're into that sort of thing. Check em out. Highly recommended.

Kutikiri

LordDemon

Sarah Conner?

BOOM! headshot!

LOL.

Kutikiri