OMG! I gotta get red frags!

HCFrog

Bethlahem wrote:
uh fairly old? from january, and frankly the last we heard about it. it would be nice if you guys read your own design journals and kept us updated about things as big as having our entire ability databases refunded.
/frownyface

I'm sorry, you want us to... what? Read our own journals? I don't understand SMILEY

I guess it just seems like January was a really long time ago, and I thought for sure someone had come and made a statement about it since then. Sorry.

/sheepishgrin

**DelstarDotstar**

HCFrog wrote:

I guess it just seems like January was a really long time ago, and I thought for sure someone had come and made a statement about it since then. Sorry.

/sheepishgrin

No one had done that yet HCFrog, that was why i had started a thread before this one
on the topic, but happy to at least get an answer here. At least we know that we do not
have to farm our lives away SMILEY

**Bethlehem** · 03/22/2006 13:55:23

lol, YA read yer design journals (that's what they were called there on dn1 for a while) and nope, i never did see anyone post anything new about it. i tried asking twice in the ask a dev thread around page 125 or so (i do display 50 msg per page) but i never saw a response (no biggie there, i know it's gotta be rough tryin to answer everything; and i'm glad you try at all!)

anyway... i think i was just peeved since i've spent the last couple of months farming frags in anticipation of this. /shrug. i can just sell em

Message Edited by Bethlahem on 03-22-200602:55 PM

**UniToxic**

ok im not bothered about the frags as i have enough to make every ability like 10times over....however for some reason i have 2 copies of most of my abilities and i would appreciate it if there was a vendor avaliable for the next month (while we get used to the system) which will allow us to trade in any abilities for info.

To allow choice to us the vendor could only accept ability codes that are in our inventory, and for all those vector peeps that will be camping this collectors there could be one near every booster dish or hardline...

Miggesch

Well it seems that the general consensus (based on previous official statements) that all our "levelable" abilities would be set back to one and we would get back our cash - which I would have loved cause then I could have leveled i.e. Awakened in no sweat and hold off on a tree that I never really used much anyway (like Vector or Data Miner) - instead now I have to pretty much spend all my money that I currently have to level up new abilities and old ones that I DID spend cash on (such has Hyperstrength) just disappeared and the money went down the toilet....

Xiven

yea i would like that also

Joobaxx

wow great job. now im f'ed in the butt cause i dont have 50 million info to spend on leveling the important skills up. Great! did they not realize they nerfed ALL THE COMBAT ABILITIES THAT MEAN ANYTHING! No longer can karate be 30 and have karate grandmaster. now you have to have karate to 50 for the bonuses, and all the other crap to 50 also.

Did it also ever occur to you that some of us dont have two hundred hours to spend farming for info so we never did level the base abilities that only gave 20 points of damage, but now give us all of our bonuses? I guess not, becuase you wont give us any money.

/end subscribtion

/end rant

**Bethlehem**

http://mxoboards.station.sony.com/matrix/board/message?board.id=announcements&message.id=120

booya vendor refunding leveled abilities/no longer used abilities (zen) coming up

**Villemar_MxO**

Bethlahem wrote:
http://mxoboards.station.sony.com/matrix/board/message?board.id=announcements&message.id=120

booya vendor refunding leveled abilities/no longer used abilities (zen) coming up

Sorry, that's not good enough. My apologies if I'm repeating myself here, but.....

Okay, I went into this thing with 30 million and now with all the new Awakened Abilities from 1-50 and all the level cap removals I'm completely wiped out.

I worked hard for a year to earn these abilities and pay to level them up, now you're forcing us to sell perfectly good abilities and that's just patently unfair. I just won't do it, on general priinciple.

Forget about farming, that's gonna take 3 times longer now, while at the exact same time learning a brand new system.

I insist we be paid something, maybe a million per level per character (at least). This is your guys' baby, don't stick us with the bill for it.

People, think about what you're saying. You're capitulating / making compromises with the devs when the problem isn't our fault in the first place. Stick up for yourselves....you pay $15 a month for this service; I thought we paid our money to have fun not to grind endlessly for $70 million info just to keep what you already had in the first place.

zybirv2

I don't see much of an issue, the only one would be for coder, Well if you don't have coder, then make coder. Yes the red frag situation will suck, due to many people needing them. If I may suggest, for the next month or so increase, as in like one drops every 2-3 kills, the ammount of red frag drops, or put them on special vendors for a reasonable price for a short time. Villemar makes a good point, SOE you are revamping the system, at least make it as painless as possible for us. And NO, forced frag farming doesn't count as new content. SMILEY

**Bethlehem** · 03/29/2006 10:37:39

... your griping is worse than mine, and that's saying something!

they are increasing the drop rate of red frags, they are buying back abilities at level cost, (i've sent a pm to rare begging for an $info boost week or something)

frankly, you are not going to be able to play multiple trees (as well as old system anyway) so preen your trees down to either ma, hack, thrown, or ballistic. yes it sucks that we all can't be hacking gunslinging kungfu experts who know how to code, but what can you do? quit if you don't wanna play anymore! lol

choose a tree, set your attributes, sell your others. or keep two and have a att hack in inventory at all times. /shrug. frankly i think it's ok. vector was pretty interesting last night. mara c was pvp central as usual, but elsewhere people were discussing builds, still doing some testing, helping code, hell motohax was a mobile concert shirt vendor lmao!

what i did notice was a variety of builds. some have their assassin builds, some running ma hybrids, some still hack etc. i think it will be a more diverse community with less devfields (sweet) and more face to face fighting.

Message Edited by Bethlahem on 03-29-200611:37 AM

**Villemar_MxO**

>And NO, forced frag farming doesn't count as new content.

LOL true.

Bethlahem wrote:
... your griping is worse than mine, and that's saying something!
they are increasing the drop rate of red frags, they are buying back abilities at level cost, (i've sent a pm to rare begging for an $info boost week or something)

frankly, you are not going to be able to play multiple trees (as well as old system anyway) so preen your trees down to either ma, hack, thrown, or ballistic. yes it sucks that we all can't be hacking gunslinging kungfu experts who know how to code, but what can you do? quit if you don't wanna play anymore! lol
choose a tree, set your attributes, sell your others. or keep two and have a att hack in inventory at all times. /shrug. frankly i think it's ok. vector was pretty interesting last night. mara c was pvp central as usual, but elsewhere people were discussing builds, still doing some testing, helping code, hell motohax was a mobile concert shirt vendor lmao!
what i did notice was a variety of builds. some have their assassin builds, some running ma hybrids, some still hack etc. i think it will be a more diverse community with less devfields (sweet) and more face to face fighting.
Message Edited by Bethlahem on 03-29-200611:37 AM

Bethlehem we need to have the tools to test which is best for us in the first place before we start chopping down trees. I don't wan't to commit to "I'm never gonna be a haxor the rest of my life" before I even start the process. I mean, we still get an RSI hack. Removing choice in any situation is always bad and choice is the best thing about MxO. And do you wanna miss events cause you're too busy out farming (refer to above quote....lol)

Fortunately, my faction has enough saved for a rainy day to get our group through this hump. But it's the principle of the matter.

I'd say a million per character per server would be per...fect.

SumDumGai

One thing though, in walrus's post he said we lost nothing. What about the skills like "Find Weakness in the spy tree" where before CR2 we leveled it to level 50 now it is a buff with no levels. From what I heard the other trees have the same type of ability swap's. That is a big info loss specially those that have leveled them to 50.