Archangel wrote:

Croesis wrote:

Archangel wrote:

even though groups like Tetragrammaton, etc. were allowed to keep their names. Now this comes up and quite frankly, it pisses me the hell off.

The Tetragrammaton is Greek for "the four letters". Even though those four consonants make the name of God, Tetragrammaton doesn't mean God, it's a description of those four consonants. So well done for getting pissed of at something irrelevant, both back then and now because of an NPC names after a Greek letter. Hope it was worth it.

Oh and Tetra didn't get to keep their name when it was reported, they had it re-instated after losing it. So comparing your previous IGN to that is complete BS.

If you say so. Don't presume to understand my background. I come from a background where even using a byword is the equivalent of saying the word. If you're going to use a term that passes for it, you might as well be referring to the same thing.

At any rate, I've said my piece. If anyone wants to debate it further, they can do so in PM for as long as I'm around.

Thanks again, Walrus, for taking the time to address the subject but unfortunately, this time it's not good enough.

Sloppy theology is no reason for you as one player to demand arbirary criteria on the naming of players and NPC's.   Who do you think you are, anyways?

Good to know that Mxo is going to end with everyone at each others throats.

Kybutra wrote:

Good to know that Mxo is going to end with everyone at each others throats.

It's always been like that.  Everyone loves the game (or what it was), and has their own views on what the game should be.  As the community has dwindled and shrunk, the tension between other players has gotten more concentrated.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Archangel wrote:

Croesis wrote:

Archangel wrote:

even though groups like Tetragrammaton, etc. were allowed to keep their names. Now this comes up and quite frankly, it pisses me the hell off.

The Tetragrammaton is Greek for "the four letters". Even though those four consonants make the name of God, Tetragrammaton doesn't mean God, it's a description of those four consonants. So well done for getting pissed of at something irrelevant, both back then and now because of an NPC names after a Greek letter. Hope it was worth it.

Oh and Tetra didn't get to keep their name when it was reported, they had it re-instated after losing it. So comparing your previous IGN to that is complete BS.

If you say so. Don't presume to understand my background. I come from a background where even using a byword is the equivalent of saying the word. If you're going to use a term that passes for it, you might as well be referring to the same thing.

At any rate, I've said my piece. If anyone wants to debate it further, they can do so in PM for as long as I'm around.

Thanks again, Walrus, for taking the time to address the subject but unfortunately, this time it's not good enough.

Sloppy theology is no reason for you as one player to demand arbirary criteria on the naming of players and NPC's.   Who do you think you are, anyways?

 

SOE, we got your name™

"The Omega" = The End

Done.

Archangel wrote:

If you say so. Don't presume to understand my background. I come from a background where even using a byword is the equivalent of saying the word. If you're going to use a term that passes for it, you might as well be referring to the same thing.

And then you went ahead and called your character "Yahweh"? I'm sure I don't have to explain how unbelievably contradictory and stupid that sounds.

Pylat wrote:

Archangel wrote:

If you say so. Don't presume to understand my background. I come from a background where even using a byword is the equivalent of saying the word. If you're going to use a term that passes for it, you might as well be referring to the same thing.

And then you went ahead and called your character "Yahweh"? I'm sure I don't have to explain how unbelievably contradictory and stupid that sounds.

Screw you, pal. At the time it seemed like a good Matrix name considering everything was based off of gods of various religions, important historical figures, etc. I wanted to keep with the theme while picking something that held meaning for me. Don't like it get over it. My complaint here is that everyone else seems to get away with it while I had to take the fall.

Thing is, Monolith was okay with it. They understood the nature of the Matrix. Then SOE came along and it was "La de da cupcakes and unicorns let's make everyone happy regardless of what it does to the nature of the intellectual property or how far it strays from the themes presented in the original works."

And yes, comparing my situation to the Tetragrammaton situation is a worthwhile comparison because, as I remember, they had all their faction members start reporting any and every religious reference in game and crying about it until it was decided they could have their name back. And you guys are whining about me making a far less substantial complaint? Pot meet kettle, right?

I asked politely for you guys to take it to PM's and you're still here bashing me in public. Guess that's too hard for you? I'm going to ask one more time before I start hitting the report button. Try reading.

I guess I do have to explain why your stance is contradictory. First of all you're calling us out publicly (And bashing me too) then demanding that we respond in PM's? Why wasn't your above response a PM? I'm not sure what you're reporting us for, you're the one calling me names. I'm just pointing out the contradiction in your complaints.

Now to the meat of the problem. You're still claiming that the name "The Omega" is a contradiction cause it bares religious meaning (Though that has been repeatedly debunked to the point where even if you're strongly convinced otherwise you can't help but give the benefit of the doubt) while your character named "Yahweh" had to have his name changed because of the religious significance.

Now to the contradiction. First of all your complaining how your name was changed cause of some petty person doing it out of spite. I assure you I have no doubt in my mind it was some petty person doing it out of spite, yes that does suck, just like the Tetragrammaton fiasco. However the big difference here is the fact there is "Wiggle Room" in the naming of "The Tetragrammaton" and "The Omega". The Tetragrammaton can easily be explained away as a reference to the movie Equilibrium, ask most people and they'll go "The Tetrawhat?" or "Oh it's from that movie". The knowledge of it being loosely related to God is very limited, and even then it's an avoidance to the name, not an actual reference or reverance to his/her name (Curse the English language for being gender specific ). The same applies to The Omega. Nearly everyone came to the conclusion it was a reference to Rarebits final update and his leaving the game, the only person who seems convinced otherwise is you, and that theory has been repeatedly debunked. You countered this by claiming your background means that even if it as a byword it is the equivalent of saying the word.

This is the part where I get confused, if your background means you take take the smallest reference to God as the actual reference to God himself/herself why did you call your character Yahweh? It seems you would be in the best position to understand that your name is at risk of being reported due to it being offensive to some (Cause I think we can all agree that if someone came in with a character named "JesusChrist" then no one would really object to asking it to be changed, my faction mate had the word "Satan" in his name and it was changed, didn't see a public outcry from us), but you did it anyway. More significantly there is no "Wiggle Room" or benefit of the doubt to your name unlike the above two examples. You ask someone about the name "Yahweh" and they'll say "Huh?", "That's another word for God" or (If they're an incredibly dense individual) "Hey didn't Bruce Willis say that in Die Hard?". "Yahweh" means very literally "God". There is no if's or but's, that's the end of the discussion. It is on a different level to "The Omega" and "The Tetragrammaton" cause there is room to doubt or disagree on the cultural reference and significance of the names.

Your final contradiction is the fact you're taking this pettily small reference to God as offensive and trying to make a deal out of it. That's just as bad as the person who reported "The Tetragrammaton" and your name. Yeah it sucks your name was changed, apparently Walrus agreed that it was CCR'd out of spite, but obviously his hands were tied and he wanted to make sure you understood that he wasn't trying to be a jerk about it. Take that victory and move on with life. Because of your actions in this thread you're going to be remembered as someone who quit the game for petty reasons and went out in a blaze of pettiness rather than someone who copped sh t from a random spiteful player and rose above it.

Perhaps you're right. Sorry for troubling everyone.

Have a nice day.

Maybe at this point Dracomet or 9mmfu should just go in and change the name of the NPC. Since it is causing this much of an uproar.

I don't think Rarebit ever intentionally meant religious conitations or anything of the sort.  My take on it was, he made in one of his classic overly obscure reference styles to Smith - taking note from the game Enter the Matrix.  In which in a live action cinematic sequence, Smith encounters Niobe/Ghost (player) in the white hallways - towards the end of the game.  Smith's clones surround them and he quote the biblical line: "(Smith clone 1) - I am the Alpha, (Smith clone 2) - I am the Omega,  (Smith clone 3) I am the Beta ... blah blah..."    Also if anyone remembers that tiny scene in Matrix Reloaded where Smith overwrites that one Operative - the Operative says: "Oh god!" and Smith smiles and says: "Smith will suffice."  The matrix is full of multiple cultural religious references.  But Rarebit NEVER intended to make such a big deal out of this.  Although I do think he let his ego get away with him a bit.  When he designed this, like he tended to do, he didn't think things thru enough or how it might go - and this is the result.  The bitter bickering and fighting over 1 stupid little NPC.  That's simply was it is Rarebit's classical tenancy towards design oversight, and it's probly just a big Smith reference - it does look and talk like Smith, if only for it's shiny baldness.  And Walrus explained also, Rarebit meant it's sort of in reference to his end-time at SOE.

Tetragrammaton controversy: I was an ex-Grammaton so I'll try to clear some of this up if I can (if anyone will listen),  Tetragrammaton is in reference to the movie Equilibrium.  Beachhead used it in light of the dictatorship government in the movie that rules over the society. The name in that movie uses Tetragrammaton as a ways to say - (how to explain) "We are Godlike, governing all" - meaning the ruling government thinks of itself as all powerful and god-like.  It's a very Matrix'like movie.  If you want to know more, ask Beachhead (if he's ever in), Cadsuane, Smike, RedLeopard, Draqe, or whom everelse is left in Tetragrammaton Faction.  When I went to Fan Faire 08, one of the CCR guys who took the Grammaton name away came to me and was all apologetic, saying "I'm sorry, I didn't know what it was - someone said it was religious, yadda yadda, I had to take it because of SOE policies ... but I gave it back, I'm really sorry about that ..."  I said: "It's ok man, it's in reference to a kind of obscure movie, a lot of ppl can easily make the mistake." (I wasn't sitting all alone.)  Please see the video links to the movie.  It's kinda a B movie, but it's not all that bad - great action, lots of guns - very Matrix inspired.  But that's what Beachhead started The Tetragrammaton from - not some religious wierd thing.

Equilibrium Video 1

Equilibrium Video 2

Equilibrium Video 3

If there are any 2 major topics to be avoided on the interwebz because they only cause yelling and screaming, it's religous and polictical debates.  This is just stupid.  I say change the name - it would be much easier at this point - jeeze oh f'in pete!

Darkhawk wrote:

Maybe at this point Dracomet or 9mmfu should just go in and change the name of the NPC. Since it is causing this much of an uproar.

I don't think Rarebit ever intentionally meant religious conitations or anything of the sort.  My take on it was, he made in one of his classic overly obscure reference styles to Smith - taking note from the game Enter the Matrix.  In which in a live action cinematic sequence, Smith encounters Niobe/Ghost (player) in the white hallways - towards the end of the game.  Smith's clones surround them and he quote the biblical line: "(Smith clone 1) - I am the Alpha, (Smith clone 2) - I am the Omega,  (Smith clone 3) I am the Beta ... blah blah..."    Also if anyone remembers that tiny scene in Matrix Reloaded where Smith overwrites that one Operative - the Operative says: "Oh god!" and Smith smiles and says: "Smith will suffice."  The matrix is full of multiple cultural religious references.  But Rarebit NEVER intended to make such a big deal out of this.  Although I do think he let his ego get away with him a bit.  When he designed this, like he tended to do, he didn't think things thru enough or how it might go - and this is the result.  The bitter bickering and fighting over 1 stupid little NPC.  That's simply was it is Rarebit's classical tenancy towards design oversight, and it's probly just a big Smith reference - it does look and talk like Smith, if only for it's shiny baldness.  And Walrus explained also, Rarebit meant it's sort of in reference to his end-time at SOE.

Tetragrammaton controversy: I was an ex-Grammaton so I'll try to clear some of this up if I can (if anyone will listen),  Tetragrammaton is in reference to the movie Equilibrium.  Beachhead used it in light of the dictatorship government in the movie that rules over the society. The name in that movie uses Tetragrammaton as a ways to say - (how to explain) "We are Godlike, governing all" - meaning the ruling government thinks of itself as all powerful and god-like.  It's a very Matrix'like movie.  If you want to know more, ask Beachhead (if he's ever in), Cadsuane, Smike, RedLeopard, Draqe, or whom everelse is left in Tetragrammaton Faction.  When I went to Fan Faire 08, one of the CCR guys who took the Grammaton name away came to me and was all apologetic, saying "I'm sorry, I didn't know what it was - someone said it was religious, yadda yadda, I had to take it because of SOE policies ... but I gave it back, I'm really sorry about that ..."  I said: "It's ok man, it's in reference to a kind of obscure movie, a lot of ppl can easily make the mistake." (I wasn't sitting all alone.)  Please see the video links to the movie.  It's kinda a B movie, but it's not all that bad - great action, lots of guns - very Matrix inspired.  But that's what Beachhead started The Tetragrammaton from - not some religious wierd thing.

Equilibrium Video 1

Equilibrium Video 2

Equilibrium Video 3

If there are any 2 major topics to be avoided on the interwebz because they only cause yelling and screaming, it's religous and polictical debates.  This is just stupid.  I say change the name - it would be much easier at this point - jeeze oh f'in pete!

 

No, no, no, no, no.   Let this go.   As Rama-Kandra said, "It's only a word."

Villemar_MxO wrote:

No, no, no, no, no.   Let this go.   As Rama-Kandra said, "It's only a word."

Agreed, there is no point in changing it.

Omega0 wrote:

I would also really like to get those links, even if they're just in a PM.

Well, it's been almost 4 days, and I still haven't received any links.  Has anyone else received them?  I'm starting to think that Woken was just making stuff up again.

Oh they were sent out on aim and yahoo messenger to the people that deserved them no worry. Why would I send them in PMs here to people I've never even been on vent with?

WoKeN wrote:

Oh they were sent out on aim and yahoo messenger to the people that deserved them no worry. Why would I send them in PMs here to people I've never even been on vent with?

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