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Now i'm not an American, yet looking back on 9/11 still makes me shudder. I've seen plenty of documentaries about how or why people think the towers came down.

And now i've just watched Loose change... Which is a documentary/film which shows the whole set of events as an inside job.

As a result of watching that, i've just ordered a copy of the 9/11 Comission's Report, which i'll be interested in reading when it arrives.

I know that this is still a sensitive topic, so please keep it clean. I just wondered what other people's views about this tradgedy are...

Because for me...i'd hate to believe a government could do this to it's own people, but there are still a lot of questions about it that havn't been answered.



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I was only in about the 3rd grade when this happened, so I don't remember that much.

I do remember watching it on the news. It was... not good.




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I remember fighter jets flying over our middle school in Ohio when all this was going down.

My honest opinion is disecting half truths and government controled data is not going to bring these people back I have no idea why 9/11 happened all I know is it damaged alot of peoples lives. Certain groups took direct responsibility for it and it's within our rights to bring them to justice.

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Fact: 9/11 was a terrorist act.

If you believe the paranoid propoganda that it was an "inside job" then there is a good chance you also believe the moon landing was faked too.

Take from that what you will.

There is more than enough evidence that this was exactly what it appears to be. An act of revenge against a govenment (and it's people) for decades of interfeering with "their business". The successfulness of the plan was undoubtedly due, at least in part, to the fact that Osama Bin Laden was trained by the U.S. Government and was supplied with weapons for a different conflict. Osama won, and with his new ego ran amok taking over the region. It would appear that fanatical religious megalomania set in and hence the "jihad". The strategies used showed an above average knowledge of the way westerners tick.

Some people simply want to make life more interesting and they start to see things that aren't there, things that would be oh so "X-Files" cool.
Are there patterns in the static on your T.V.? Perhaps it's just staic and your brain WANTS to see patterns.

I'm a little biased perhaps. But that's only because I experienced the 2005 London Bombings up close and personal.
That's my $0.02.

Make your own mind up.

Message edited by phi on 07/18/2008 08:00:40.



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I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, never have been. And I couldn't care less about the moon landing.

I'm open to every aspect with regards to 9/11 at the moment. Just looking around there a lot of different arguments, some are a lot more justifiable than others. And some are plain silly.

Like I said, there are a lot of questions still left unanswered, and a lot of secrecy still surrounding it. Not to mention things that havn't been explained yet, like the Squibs seen ejecting from the tower, underneath the area that was gradually collapsing.



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Brommerz77 wrote:
I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, never have been. And I couldn't care less about the moon landing.

I'm open to every aspect with regards to 9/11 at the moment. Just looking around there a lot of different arguments, some are a lot more justifiable than others. And some are plain silly.

Like I said, there are a lot of questions still left unanswered, and a lot of secrecy still surrounding it. Not to mention things that havn't been explained yet, like the Squibs seen ejecting from the tower, underneath the area that was gradually collapsing.
Just google, "Loose Change Debunked" and pick your website.

Message edited by shearman on 07/18/2008 11:09:15.



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phi wrote:
Fact: 9/11 was a terrorist act.


But unknown to us are who the real terrorists are.


Everyone has a right to thier own opinion and point of view. Mine happens to be that it was an inside job, and there is no stronger evidence of this then the secrecy surrounding the entire incident.

One of my favorite statistics is the Clinton Vs. 9-11 stat.

40 million dollars was spent investigating Bill Clinton's adultry, and only a few hundred thousand was spent investigating 9-11.

Here is a fun film to watch.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...167662031629480


And please as the OP stated, keep it clean. And respect other's opinions.



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imax wrote:
phi wrote:
Fact: 9/11 was a terrorist act.


But unknown to us are who the real terrorists are.


Everyone has a right to thier own opinion and point of view. Mine happens to be that it was an inside job, and there is no stronger evidence of this then the secrecy surrounding the entire incident.

One of my favorite statistics is the Clinton Vs. 9-11 stat.

40 million dollars was spent investigating Bill Clinton's adultry, and only a few hundred thousand was spent investigating 9-11.

Here is a fun film to watch.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...167662031629480


And please as the OP stated, keep it clean. And respect other's opinions.
Well on the bright side it was 40 million well spent.



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privaron0 wrote:
Well on the bright side it was 40 million well spent.

Not really sure we should be making jokes about this subject, but I'll induldge you.

Exactly...  and in a side by side comparison, its as if our govt. did hardly any investigating at all into a matter that was a hell of a lot worse. On one hand Bill got a BJ, on the other thousands of people were murderd. Which incedent should get more attention?

That was a rhetorical question btw.



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imax wrote:
privaron0 wrote:
Well on the bright side it was 40 million well spent.

Not really sure we should be making jokes about this subject, but I'll induldge you.

Exactly... and in a side by side comparison, its as if our govt. did hardly any investigating at all into a matter that was a hell of a lot worse. On one hand Bill got a BJ, on the other thousands of people were murderd. Which incedent should get more attention?

That was a rhetorical question btw.
Oh I agree... I would have much rather they spent time investigating the 40 something people who died around the Clinton family during their years in politics. One of which was the brother of the man my dad split season tickets for the Indians with.. suicide by decapitation was the ruling.

Way I look at it it was like nailing Capone for tax evasion. As for 911 honestly we should have taken all this money and aid were sending to foreign countries and throw it back into a serious brutal intesive and intrusive investigation into what happened. These families deserve more.. I may not agree with you on one aspect but I think thats something any American can say in unison.



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./facepalm

If its not this video is Zeitgeist. Before you start running off and preaching this as gospel do yourself a favor and actually watch or read some of the debunkings done to these so called facts. I'd start here as it covers a majority of the areas most conspirators focus on but you can find just as many videos on youtube that cover it all also.




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imax wrote:
privaron0 wrote:
Well on the bright side it was 40 million well spent.

Not really sure we should be making jokes about this subject, but I'll induldge you.

Exactly...  and in a side by side comparison, its as if our govt. did hardly any investigating at all into a matter that was a hell of a lot worse. On one hand Bill got a BJ, on the other thousands of people were murderd. Which incedent should get more attention?

That was a rhetorical question btw.


Clinton:  "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Seamen stained dress?  Well, looks like we have to investigate during a huge political firestorm (throw money).

 

Twin towers.  Planes ran into them - they fell down (simple enough).  Investigation?  Why?  We already had all of the information aside from debunking BS excuses like "It doesn't melt at such temperatures".

Or of you want the simplified, physics aspect of it:  Planes full of jet fuel slammed into the towers which produced heat hot enough to cause the structure to lose more than half of its structural integrity.  That combined with the fact that they also took out much of the structure as it is, and that several more stories were crushing down at the area of impact, it eventually gave way and came tumbling down.

 

Don't believe  me?  Then answer this:  How would a government, that mishandled Katrina as badly as it did, be able to pull of such a Conspiracy on a grand scale without a single defactor?

 

Wowzers



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timeframe01 wrote:
imax wrote:
privaron0 wrote:
Well on the bright side it was 40 million well spent.

Not really sure we should be making jokes about this subject, but I'll induldge you.

Exactly... and in a side by side comparison, its as if our govt. did hardly any investigating at all into a matter that was a hell of a lot worse. On one hand Bill got a BJ, on the other thousands of people were murderd. Which incedent should get more attention?

That was a rhetorical question btw.


Clinton: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Seamen stained dress? Well, looks like we have to investigate during a huge political firestorm (throw money).

 

Twin towers. Planes ran into them - they fell down (simple enough). Investigation? Why? We already had all of the information aside from debunking BS excuses like "It doesn't melt at such temperatures".

Or of you want the simplified, physics aspect of it: Planes full of jet fuel slammed into the towers which produced heat hot enough to cause the structure to lose more than half of its structural integrity. That combined with the fact that they also took out much of the structure as it is, and that several more stories were crushing down at the area of impact, it eventually gave way and came tumbling down.

 

Don't believe me? Then answer this: How would a government, that mishandled Katrina as badly as it did, be able to pull of such a Conspiracy on a grand scale without a single defactor?

 

Wowzers

Answer: Nature is unpredictiable, and the Govt. did not create a hurrican to slam into a weak levy which broke.

Answer these questions. What hit the pentagon, and what caused building seven to collapse, and why did the govt. lie about not having video survielence of the pentagon attack, and why did they confiscate survielence videos from hotels and gas stations pointing directly at the pentagon during the attack, why wont they release those videos?

Should I keep going?



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timeframe01 wrote:
imax wrote:
privaron0 wrote:
Well on the bright side it was 40 million well spent.

Not really sure we should be making jokes about this subject, but I'll induldge you.

Exactly...  and in a side by side comparison, its as if our govt. did hardly any investigating at all into a matter that was a hell of a lot worse. On one hand Bill got a BJ, on the other thousands of people were murderd. Which incedent should get more attention?

That was a rhetorical question btw.


Clinton:  "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Seamen stained dress?  Well, looks like we have to investigate during a huge political firestorm (throw money).

 

Twin towers.  Planes ran into them - they fell down (simple enough).  Investigation?  Why?  We already had all of the information aside from debunking BS excuses like "It doesn't melt at such temperatures".

Or of you want the simplified, physics aspect of it:  Planes full of jet fuel slammed into the towers which produced heat hot enough to cause the structure to lose more than half of its structural integrity.  That combined with the fact that they also took out much of the structure as it is, and that several more stories were crushing down at the area of impact, it eventually gave way and came tumbling down.

 

Don't believe  me?  Then answer this:  How would a government, that mishandled Katrina as badly as it did, be able to pull of such a Conspiracy on a grand scale without a single defactor?

 

Wowzers

Investigation into why somehow, news stations around the world are claiming that some of the apparently 19 hijackers who were involved in 9/11 are still alive.

How some of the debris showed clear cuts, with white colouration, indicating INTENSE heat.

I've already had a look through a lot of the debunks, and some of them are as questionable and evidenceless as some of the conspiracy theories.

I'm not taking a side here, and i want to keep it opinionated, not argumentative.

Like i said, no taking a side, just reading about it, and asking.

As for pulling off a conspiracy. Katrina was a wide scale problem. Something like this, i'd imagine (IF it was an inside job, and note the IF) would only require a small key group.



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imax wrote:
timeframe01 wrote:
imax wrote:
privaron0 wrote:
Well on the bright side it was 40 million well spent.

Not really sure we should be making jokes about this subject, but I'll induldge you.

Exactly... and in a side by side comparison, its as if our govt. did hardly any investigating at all into a matter that was a hell of a lot worse. On one hand Bill got a BJ, on the other thousands of people were murderd. Which incedent should get more attention?

That was a rhetorical question btw.


Clinton: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Seamen stained dress? Well, looks like we have to investigate during a huge political firestorm (throw money).

 

Twin towers. Planes ran into them - they fell down (simple enough). Investigation? Why? We already had all of the information aside from debunking BS excuses like "It doesn't melt at such temperatures".

Or of you want the simplified, physics aspect of it: Planes full of jet fuel slammed into the towers which produced heat hot enough to cause the structure to lose more than half of its structural integrity. That combined with the fact that they also took out much of the structure as it is, and that several more stories were crushing down at the area of impact, it eventually gave way and came tumbling down.

 

Don't believe me? Then answer this: How would a government, that mishandled Katrina as badly as it did, be able to pull of such a Conspiracy on a grand scale without a single defactor?

 

Wowzers

Answer: Nature is unpredictiable, and the Govt. did not create a hurrican to slam into a weak levy which broke.

Answer these questions. What hit the pentagon, and what caused building seven to collapse, and why did the govt. lie about not having video survielence of the pentagon attack, and why did they confiscate survielence videos from hotels and gas stations pointing directly at the pentagon during the attack, why wont they release those videos?

Should I keep going?
It really boils down to this.. Your alot smarter on this stuff than me. Fact of the matter is though alot of us sufficed it to say just dont care alot either way.

As long as we can eat our Hungry Man Dinner drink our six pack of great lakes and watch our cartoons were content. I may live till I'm 22 I may live till I'm 92..

Until we get an NWO all this stuff is just cowboys and indians to me. I feel bad for people. I hope they get justice. I just simply dont think anyone can prove anything either way.. thats the burden of the disinformation age. And I am content with not disturbing the hive.

Ill take my governments word for it. Why? Because they pay better.

The only thing I can control in the world is myself I attempt to do it through spirtuality and I forget about the conspiracy.

Message edited by privaronT on 07/18/2008 14:30:49.
 
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