GamiSB wrote:Anome's mom was left to find the truth, look how she turned out. You think thats the only story like that in the city because I sure as hell dont. Anome's mother lived in a different time. Now that the truce is in place, those who reject the simulation can be found by Zion more easily, and without them having to worry about agents or sentinels interfering.This is true however what about those who can't be found? What can they do? I use Anome's mother as an example of what can be avoided if a system were to be installed that allowed humans to come and go to learn about the truth as the felt the need. With both man and machine working with it and applying to tocuhes it would need to not look like a cult then no one has an excuse not to look into if they sufferd from what Anome's mother did.GamiSB wrote: Everyone is ready for the choice, if they were not then the sublimital choice should have sent them on a joy ride already. No they are all ready it's just some dont know how to make it and we offer the means to make it. How do you offer them the choice consciously, without planting the seed of doubt in their minds?By following the procedure that Zion is supose to follow in freeing a mind. It works perfectly. When done right is explains why they feel what they feel what it is they are feeling and warns them of what it means to learn the rest of what it is they are experenceing. If they are not willing to pay the price then they take the blue pill and fall fast asleep. Those that were just curious believe it to have been a dream and continue on with there life. The doubt that was planted is instantly removed from the soil. Those that were apart of the 1%...I would be lieing if I said it was the same but sadly you can not remove a seed once its started to take root. That is a proble but one that can nto be fixed without steping on peoples toes, perhaps the Machines could come up with a way to help these people.Shi+Xin+Feng wrote: People are not as fragile as you would have everyone believe. C'mon, a few years back people saw a comet in the sky and thought that there was a spaceship in it that was going to take them to heaven...so they castrated themselves and eventually killed themselves. This is just one example of how the human mind is not unbreakable.Watch the bluepills, and monitor them for signs of awakening. Offer the red and the blue pills to those that are found. By giving a so-called conscious choice to the others, you are forcing them onto the path of awakening. Just because you consider the Matrix to be a prison or a form of slavery, that doesn't mean the blues think of it as that. ShiX may want to answer this himself but I'm going to go head and add my two cents while im replying. Humanity can't be judged on what a fraction of the people believe. True some are more fragil, more prone to believe comets are spaceships and the such but that doesnt account for them all. In fact isn't the group you speak of a very small minority to the world populous at that time? Generalzation gets you no where but looking like a closeminded person and we both know that you arn't that.We are not asking them to have the choice forced on them, just allowed to decided for themselves conciously if they it if they want to make the choice. 1% or not, they are aloowed to choose to put their feet on the path and they inturn are allowed to then step off the path at anytime. While many proably don't believe the Matrix to be a prison there are still alot that that do. And while many may get curious but once warned will jump off the path there are still those that will keep walking. Illyria PS: Let's take this analogy a little further, shall we? I might as well say I'm 'imprisoned' because I can't leave the Earth -- I have the inalienable right to be free, which means I can go wherever I want, but I'm stuck here and I can't leave! So I'm in a prison. And I'm enslaved to this *CENSORED* oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere, that won't let me go anywhere there's no air to breathe.
Anome's mom was left to find the truth, look how she turned out. You think thats the only story like that in the city because I sure as hell dont.
Anome's mother lived in a different time. Now that the truce is in place, those who reject the simulation can be found by Zion more easily, and without them having to worry about agents or sentinels interfering.
This is true however what about those who can't be found? What can they do? I use Anome's mother as an example of what can be avoided if a system were to be installed that allowed humans to come and go to learn about the truth as the felt the need. With both man and machine working with it and applying to tocuhes it would need to not look like a cult then no one has an excuse not to look into if they sufferd from what Anome's mother did.
GamiSB wrote:
Everyone is ready for the choice, if they were not then the sublimital choice should have sent them on a joy ride already. No they are all ready it's just some dont know how to make it and we offer the means to make it.
How do you offer them the choice consciously, without planting the seed of doubt in their minds?
By following the procedure that Zion is supose to follow in freeing a mind. It works perfectly. When done right is explains why they feel what they feel what it is they are feeling and warns them of what it means to learn the rest of what it is they are experenceing. If they are not willing to pay the price then they take the blue pill and fall fast asleep. Those that were just curious believe it to have been a dream and continue on with there life. The doubt that was planted is instantly removed from the soil. Those that were apart of the 1%...I would be lieing if I said it was the same but sadly you can not remove a seed once its started to take root. That is a proble but one that can nto be fixed without steping on peoples toes, perhaps the Machines could come up with a way to help these people.
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:
People are not as fragile as you would have everyone believe.
C'mon, a few years back people saw a comet in the sky and thought that there was a spaceship in it that was going to take them to heaven...so they castrated themselves and eventually killed themselves. This is just one example of how the human mind is not unbreakable.
Watch the bluepills, and monitor them for signs of awakening. Offer the red and the blue pills to those that are found. By giving a so-called conscious choice to the others, you are forcing them onto the path of awakening. Just because you consider the Matrix to be a prison or a form of slavery, that doesn't mean the blues think of it as that.
ShiX may want to answer this himself but I'm going to go head and add my two cents while im replying. Humanity can't be judged on what a fraction of the people believe. True some are more fragil, more prone to believe comets are spaceships and the such but that doesnt account for them all. In fact isn't the group you speak of a very small minority to the world populous at that time? Generalzation gets you no where but looking like a closeminded person and we both know that you arn't that.
We are not asking them to have the choice forced on them, just allowed to decided for themselves conciously if they it if they want to make the choice. 1% or not, they are aloowed to choose to put their feet on the path and they inturn are allowed to then step off the path at anytime. While many proably don't believe the Matrix to be a prison there are still alot that that do. And while many may get curious but once warned will jump off the path there are still those that will keep walking.
Illyria
PS: Let's take this analogy a little further, shall we? I might as well say I'm 'imprisoned' because I can't leave the Earth -- I have the inalienable right to be free, which means I can go wherever I want, but I'm stuck here and I can't leave! So I'm in a prison. And I'm enslaved to this *CENSORED* oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere, that won't let me go anywhere there's no air to breathe.
shinpseudo wrote:BlueCode wrote:Code pulses, bombs, there all the same - and E Pluribus Neo dont have a problem with setting any of them off. That little piece of ignorance nullifies any other potential credibility the remainder of your argument may have had. What? You think that by insulting me it'll pass off the atrocities you've created and been a part of in the matrix? You fool. Even you yourself have said that my statement may have some potential credibility. You know it's the truth.
BlueCode wrote:Code pulses, bombs, there all the same - and E Pluribus Neo dont have a problem with setting any of them off. That little piece of ignorance nullifies any other potential credibility the remainder of your argument may have had.
Code pulses, bombs, there all the same - and E Pluribus Neo dont have a problem with setting any of them off.
99% isn't allowed to be aware, have it offerd, or even persue the choice thus they are bound to stay in the Matrix.
You can consider me the person who is aware that after all this damage has been done by either side we can never peacefully coexist.I have surpassed the lie that many still beleive in, To even attempt such things will bring us more casualties and further divide the human race.We spend soo much time and energy defending a goal that is obviously flawed, maybe the machines have realized this before the zion council and those who follow their lead. I choose my own path, one that Neo firmly beleived in, until he realized it was too late and mankind was at the brink of destruction.Much like the other saviour that we are all familiar with, Neo gave his life for both the good and the evil so they may carry on with a certain level of peace, basically delaying the inevitable destruction of both worlds.But again this was only a delay, in hopes that many more could be saved from the system, before his second comming..were he will spread justice amongst those left...The true question here is..Wich side are you on? As only one will inherit the earth.
You can consider me the person who is aware that after all this damage has been done by either side we can never peacefully coexist.
I have surpassed the lie that many still beleive in, To even attempt such things will bring us more casualties and further divide the human race.
We spend soo much time and energy defending a goal that is obviously flawed, maybe the machines have realized this before the zion council and those who follow their lead.
I choose my own path, one that Neo firmly beleived in, until he realized it was too late and mankind was at the brink of destruction.
Much like the other saviour that we are all familiar with, Neo gave his life for both the good and the evil so they may carry on with a certain level of peace, basically delaying the inevitable destruction of both worlds.
But again this was only a delay, in hopes that many more could be saved from the system, before his second comming..were he will spread justice amongst those left...
The true question here is..Wich side are you on? As only one will inherit the earth.
Reeverb wrote:GamiSB wrote:Reeverb wrote:Prove the bluepill his reality is fake and his mind will break. Tell the bluepill only a small part of the truth and chances are he'll regret it when he awakens. Let the bluepill find his own way out and only guide those who seek the truth behind their reality. These bluepills are the ones who can accept the truth. This is the 1% that fails to stay connected to the system. You need to leave the other 99% alone for you will do more harm to them than good. Even offering a choice could break their mind. Your solution of giving the choice will not result in peace but in confusion. Confusion leads to frustration and in the end we're further away from peace than we are now. You have to realise not everyone is ready to be given a choice and that they cannot be made ready regardless of how you present them the choice. Thats why they have the choice to decide if they want it to be proven to them or not. For the 4th time: Not everyone is ready to be given the choice.For the 4th time we dont want them to only choose between real or Matrix We want them to be able to choose if they want to choose between real or the matrix. We want them to have a choice in everything, freedom over there lives. Yes, I got that part...and I told you it doesn't make a difference of how you present your choice. It might still awaken the unready. - What difference does it make by asking the same question, formulated in another way? "Do you want to know what the Matrix is?" or "Do you want to choose to choose to choose to choose to choose so you have a choice, that can lead to the decision which eventually will awaken you or keep you asleep?" Your speaking on behalf of everyone again athough you just claimed you don't, I say let everyone decide for themself if they want the choice or not. You're now going against yourself. First you tell us you want everyone to be given the choice. And with that last line you say that everyone can decide for themselves if they want the choice or not. This is why EPN is failing: Y'all don't make sense and have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about! You're avoiding, missing or/and ignoring my point. I pointed out the flawes in your ignorant logic but you still just repeat them. I give up. EPN wants everyone to be given a choice, yes glad you can see that far. But not just in one thing small area, but in everything! I've said this from the start but you continually just overlook it and skip over to giving them the choice between red and blue saying that our plan is flawed because we are pushing this one area on everyone. Wrong we want everyone to know is there is a choice before the pills a choice before hearing about the truth. The choice to decide if you want to go down that path and hear the rest of the story. But 99% of the population is denied that first choice. Denied a chance to make sure that what they subliminally want is really what they want. And anytime someone reaches out to inform them that there is this choice. That its there if they want to make it. But right now that isn't allowed to happen. People can't choose if they want to hear about the truth or not.That's what we want. The freedom so that every human plugged into the Matrix, apart of the 1% or 99% has the right to decided for themselves, consciously waht they want to make of there life.So stop skipping over parts and start reading with an open mind and maybe you will understand that we aren't these lunatic redpills that want to shove a choice on everyone but just people that want to inform the world that if they want to have a choice they have it and its waiting for whenever they feel they are ready to choose.
GamiSB wrote:Reeverb wrote:Prove the bluepill his reality is fake and his mind will break. Tell the bluepill only a small part of the truth and chances are he'll regret it when he awakens. Let the bluepill find his own way out and only guide those who seek the truth behind their reality. These bluepills are the ones who can accept the truth. This is the 1% that fails to stay connected to the system. You need to leave the other 99% alone for you will do more harm to them than good. Even offering a choice could break their mind. Your solution of giving the choice will not result in peace but in confusion. Confusion leads to frustration and in the end we're further away from peace than we are now. You have to realise not everyone is ready to be given a choice and that they cannot be made ready regardless of how you present them the choice. Thats why they have the choice to decide if they want it to be proven to them or not. For the 4th time: Not everyone is ready to be given the choice.For the 4th time we dont want them to only choose between real or Matrix We want them to be able to choose if they want to choose between real or the matrix. We want them to have a choice in everything, freedom over there lives. Yes, I got that part...and I told you it doesn't make a difference of how you present your choice. It might still awaken the unready. - What difference does it make by asking the same question, formulated in another way? "Do you want to know what the Matrix is?" or "Do you want to choose to choose to choose to choose to choose so you have a choice, that can lead to the decision which eventually will awaken you or keep you asleep?" Your speaking on behalf of everyone again athough you just claimed you don't, I say let everyone decide for themself if they want the choice or not. You're now going against yourself. First you tell us you want everyone to be given the choice. And with that last line you say that everyone can decide for themselves if they want the choice or not. This is why EPN is failing: Y'all don't make sense and have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about! You're avoiding, missing or/and ignoring my point. I pointed out the flawes in your ignorant logic but you still just repeat them. I give up.
Reeverb wrote:Prove the bluepill his reality is fake and his mind will break. Tell the bluepill only a small part of the truth and chances are he'll regret it when he awakens. Let the bluepill find his own way out and only guide those who seek the truth behind their reality. These bluepills are the ones who can accept the truth. This is the 1% that fails to stay connected to the system. You need to leave the other 99% alone for you will do more harm to them than good. Even offering a choice could break their mind. Your solution of giving the choice will not result in peace but in confusion. Confusion leads to frustration and in the end we're further away from peace than we are now. You have to realise not everyone is ready to be given a choice and that they cannot be made ready regardless of how you present them the choice. Thats why they have the choice to decide if they want it to be proven to them or not. For the 4th time: Not everyone is ready to be given the choice.For the 4th time we dont want them to only choose between real or Matrix We want them to be able to choose if they want to choose between real or the matrix. We want them to have a choice in everything, freedom over there lives. Yes, I got that part...and I told you it doesn't make a difference of how you present your choice. It might still awaken the unready. - What difference does it make by asking the same question, formulated in another way? "Do you want to know what the Matrix is?" or "Do you want to choose to choose to choose to choose to choose so you have a choice, that can lead to the decision which eventually will awaken you or keep you asleep?" Your speaking on behalf of everyone again athough you just claimed you don't, I say let everyone decide for themself if they want the choice or not.
Prove the bluepill his reality is fake and his mind will break. Tell the bluepill only a small part of the truth and chances are he'll regret it when he awakens. Let the bluepill find his own way out and only guide those who seek the truth behind their reality. These bluepills are the ones who can accept the truth. This is the 1% that fails to stay connected to the system. You need to leave the other 99% alone for you will do more harm to them than good. Even offering a choice could break their mind. Your solution of giving the choice will not result in peace but in confusion. Confusion leads to frustration and in the end we're further away from peace than we are now. You have to realise not everyone is ready to be given a choice and that they cannot be made ready regardless of how you present them the choice.
Thats why they have the choice to decide if they want it to be proven to them or not. For the 4th time: Not everyone is ready to be given the choice.
For the 4th time we dont want them to only choose between real or Matrix We want them to be able to choose if they want to choose between real or the matrix. We want them to have a choice in everything, freedom over there lives. Yes, I got that part...and I told you it doesn't make a difference of how you present your choice. It might still awaken the unready. - What difference does it make by asking the same question, formulated in another way? "Do you want to know what the Matrix is?" or "Do you want to choose to choose to choose to choose to choose so you have a choice, that can lead to the decision which eventually will awaken you or keep you asleep?"
Your speaking on behalf of everyone again athough you just claimed you don't, I say let everyone decide for themself if they want the choice or not.
EPN wants everyone to be given a choice, yes glad you can see that far. But not just in one thing small area, but in everything! I've said this from the start but you continually just overlook it and skip over to giving them the choice between red and blue saying that our plan is flawed because we are pushing this one area on everyone. Wrong we want everyone to know is there is a choice before the pills a choice before hearing about the truth. The choice to decide if you want to go down that path and hear the rest of the story. But 99% of the population is denied that first choice. Denied a chance to make sure that what they subliminally want is really what they want. And anytime someone reaches out to inform them that there is this choice. That its there if they want to make it. But right now that isn't allowed to happen. People can't choose if they want to hear about the truth or not.
That's what we want. The freedom so that every human plugged into the Matrix, apart of the 1% or 99% has the right to decided for themselves, consciously waht they want to make of there life.
So stop skipping over parts and start reading with an open mind and maybe you will understand that we aren't these lunatic redpills that want to shove a choice on everyone but just people that want to inform the world that if they want to have a choice they have it and its waiting for whenever they feel they are ready to choose.
GamiSB wrote:99% isn't allowed to be aware, have it offerd, or even persue the choice thus they are bound to stay in the Matrix. Actually that is wrong. All 100% have the choice, but only 1% are aware of it. The other 99% are not not (which means yes) allowed to be aware of it, have it offered or being able to persue the choice. The problem is: They are simply unaware of it and don't "need" to become aware of it as they have chosen (according to the choice EVERYONE has been given) that this is the world they want to live in. But that doesn't mean that they can't change that choice of theirs at any given time. But forcing them to chance their choice by the means you stated Gami, well... Wrong? Oh so then that little mission set in the Machine criticle archives where they were tracking down a Zion ship that sent out a few emails to the masses to locate potential bluepills never happend right? I believe there reasoning for trying to locate it bwas because it was sent to everyone and not people in the 1% that accoridng to them are allowed to be freed which was a violation of the truce. Right now no one outside the 1% is allowed to know about the truth, to be offerd a chance to find out about the truth, or even allowed to know it exicest outside the subconcious. As I stated earlier, giving everyone, depsite of their own subconscious choice, the choice to take the blue pill or take the red pill, the experience will ultimately alter their subconscious leading to a dramatic increase of those who want free and thus unbalancing the system of the Matrix as seen by the Oracle (she forewsaw a balance at 1%). This will inexorably lead to a cataclysmic system crash ((the same way it should have gone when Neo chose to save Trinity instead of reinserting to the prime program and resetting the Zion/Matrix cycle. But Neo found a way... you know that part. I say this OOC cause my character doesn't know this.)) and therfore to the nullifying of the truth and the upcoming extinction of the human race. If the Mashines could survive without humanity is another question but they wouldn't allow us to get that far , even if that means to break the truce. And as I said earler no it wont. The bluepill, why are you people forgetting about that pill. What it does, what its there for, why Cypherites use it on people and themselves. The bluepill puts a person into a deep sleep that when they wake up from they think everything taht happend to them that day was just a dream. The only people this wont work on is those that are apart of the 1%. The rest of them aftering takieng are in dream land and when they wake up they forget about it. I't wont increase it, its there so those that they who take it go back to there peacefuly lives they don't want to give up and so they stay happy.
Actually that is wrong. All 100% have the choice, but only 1% are aware of it. The other 99% are not not (which means yes) allowed to be aware of it, have it offered or being able to persue the choice. The problem is: They are simply unaware of it and don't "need" to become aware of it as they have chosen (according to the choice EVERYONE has been given) that this is the world they want to live in. But that doesn't mean that they can't change that choice of theirs at any given time. But forcing them to chance their choice by the means you stated Gami, well...
Wrong? Oh so then that little mission set in the Machine criticle archives where they were tracking down a Zion ship that sent out a few emails to the masses to locate potential bluepills never happend right? I believe there reasoning for trying to locate it bwas because it was sent to everyone and not people in the 1% that accoridng to them are allowed to be freed which was a violation of the truce. Right now no one outside the 1% is allowed to know about the truth, to be offerd a chance to find out about the truth, or even allowed to know it exicest outside the subconcious. As I stated earlier, giving everyone, depsite of their own subconscious choice, the choice to take the blue pill or take the red pill, the experience will ultimately alter their subconscious leading to a dramatic increase of those who want free and thus unbalancing the system of the Matrix as seen by the Oracle (she forewsaw a balance at 1%). This will inexorably lead to a cataclysmic system crash ((the same way it should have gone when Neo chose to save Trinity instead of reinserting to the prime program and resetting the Zion/Matrix cycle. But Neo found a way... you know that part. I say this OOC cause my character doesn't know this.)) and therfore to the nullifying of the truth and the upcoming extinction of the human race. If the Mashines could survive without humanity is another question but they wouldn't allow us to get that far , even if that means to break the truce.
And as I said earler no it wont. The bluepill, why are you people forgetting about that pill. What it does, what its there for, why Cypherites use it on people and themselves. The bluepill puts a person into a deep sleep that when they wake up from they think everything taht happend to them that day was just a dream. The only people this wont work on is those that are apart of the 1%. The rest of them aftering takieng are in dream land and when they wake up they forget about it. I't wont increase it, its there so those that they who take it go back to there peacefuly lives they don't want to give up and so they stay happy.
Reeverb wrote:
Thats why they have the choice to decide if they want it to be proven to them or not. For the 4th time: Not everyone is ready to be given the choice.For the 4th time we dont want them to only choose between real or Matrix We want them to be able to choose if they want to choose between real or the matrix. We want them to have a choice in everything, freedom over there lives. Yes, I got that part...and I told you it doesn't make a difference of how you present your choice. It might still awaken the unready. - What difference does it make by asking the same question, formulated in another way? "Do you want to know what the Matrix is?" or "Do you want to choose to choose to choose to choose to choose so you have a choice, that can lead to the decision which eventually will awaken you or keep you asleep?"How does it not make a difrence then? Aparently Im missing some ablosute truth that says that no matter how you present something the result will always be the same. I'm sorry but your wrong presentation is everything. The way we desribe allows the person to decide when they are ready to hear more about the truth, allows them to decide when if they are ready to give up everything for the truth and allows them to deicde when they are ready to hear the truth. They are always the one that chooses, always the one that decides when they are ready. We offer they have as long as they need to decide when to choose. If they are not ready then they back out at any time, nothing they choose is set in stone EVEN after they take the red pill because even then they can go back.Stop skipping over parts yourself, Gami. No wait. Stop reading and start thinking for once. Though I doubt you'd understand that your way of handling minds could be a crucial factor of breaking it. The problem isn't choice anymore Gami. The problem is the system and how it treats the minds of humans. Start working on a solution so that more than 1% can handle the choice and I might not try to stop you.Right back at you. But I doubt that you will even bother to listen and continue to speak on behalf of everyone saying they arn't ready without even offering them the chance to decide if they are or not. Everything begins with choice and choice is always the problem. The system of awakening minds functions on choice and is only broken when someone denies a person a choice. If they follow the awkening procedure how they should then the bluepill is the one that makes all the decisons and decides when they are ready. When they dont then you have problems, they were forced to do something, they didn't have enough time to think it threw, they acted on impule because they were scared. The system treats the minds with the utermost care and allows them to be in charge of there life. The problem is when humans get selfish which is why we proposed that Man and Machine look over and take care of the procedure so that its always done right.
How does it not make a difrence then? Aparently Im missing some ablosute truth that says that no matter how you present something the result will always be the same. I'm sorry but your wrong presentation is everything. The way we desribe allows the person to decide when they are ready to hear more about the truth, allows them to decide when if they are ready to give up everything for the truth and allows them to deicde when they are ready to hear the truth. They are always the one that chooses, always the one that decides when they are ready. We offer they have as long as they need to decide when to choose. If they are not ready then they back out at any time, nothing they choose is set in stone EVEN after they take the red pill because even then they can go back.
Stop skipping over parts yourself, Gami. No wait. Stop reading and start thinking for once. Though I doubt you'd understand that your way of handling minds could be a crucial factor of breaking it. The problem isn't choice anymore Gami. The problem is the system and how it treats the minds of humans. Start working on a solution so that more than 1% can handle the choice and I might not try to stop you.
Right back at you. But I doubt that you will even bother to listen and continue to speak on behalf of everyone saying they arn't ready without even offering them the chance to decide if they are or not. Everything begins with choice and choice is always the problem. The system of awakening minds functions on choice and is only broken when someone denies a person a choice. If they follow the awkening procedure how they should then the bluepill is the one that makes all the decisons and decides when they are ready. When they dont then you have problems, they were forced to do something, they didn't have enough time to think it threw, they acted on impule because they were scared. The system treats the minds with the utermost care and allows them to be in charge of there life. The problem is when humans get selfish which is why we proposed that Man and Machine look over and take care of the procedure so that its always done right.
SEPET wrote:I like when a machine say "u cannot take decision for every one" when the machine take it before.... Do u really think if the unconcious choice is not a need of the system, any man have ever the choice? yes? the next question i supposed to be, is this air that i'm breathing now?? Please wake up guys befor to talk of who can take decision for all..... First of all, I am not a Machinist. Thus secondly, I don't take decisions for the innocent nor do I have plans for the innocent. Get your facts straight before you accuse people. It are the Machines who took away choice, not the Machinists and definitely not the Cypherites. RetroX wrote: You fail to address the concerns of those who want out, who would be happy with the truth. You are thinking about this as if you were having the choice. There is a need for people to be given a choice between a dream enslaving them in Bondage and The Real. If they don't want the choice they can always take the blue pill. I fail to adress what? Are you kidding me? It's EPN's manifesto, not mine. I shouldn't have to come with a solution for your problem. Because for me, there is no problem.
I like when a machine say "u cannot take decision for every one" when the machine take it before.... Do u really think if the unconcious choice is not a need of the system, any man have ever the choice? yes? the next question i supposed to be, is this air that i'm breathing now?? Please wake up guys befor to talk of who can take decision for all.....
You fail to address the concerns of those who want out, who would be happy with the truth. You are thinking about this as if you were having the choice. There is a need for people to be given a choice between a dream enslaving them in Bondage and The Real. If they don't want the choice they can always take the blue pill.
GoDGiVeR wrote:GamiSB wrote:99% isn't allowed to be aware, have it offerd, or even persue the choice thus they are bound to stay in the Matrix. Actually that is wrong. All 100% have the choice, but only 1% are aware of it. The other 99% are not not (which means yes) allowed to be aware of it, have it offered or being able to persue the choice. The problem is: They are simply unaware of it and don't "need" to become aware of it as they have chosen (according to the choice EVERYONE has been given) that this is the world they want to live in. But that doesn't mean that they can't change that choice of theirs at any given time. But forcing them to chance their choice by the means you stated Gami, well... Wrong? Oh so then that little mission set in the Machine criticle archives where they were tracking down a Zion ship that sent out a few emails to the masses to locate potential bluepills never happend right? I believe there reasoning for trying to locate it bwas because it was sent to everyone and not people in the 1% that accoridng to them are allowed to be freed which was a violation of the truce. Right now no one outside the 1% is allowed to know about the truth, to be offerd a chance to find out about the truth, or even allowed to know it exicest outside the subconcious. Pfft, that's inside information then (that archieve). I think that anyone in the system can adress themselves to those topics, with boundaries (of course, but unfortunately) given. But actually it is inevitable nowadays since the redpill and Exile population grows and their (passive and active) influence gets stronger but not yet stronger than Mashine control. It is a matter of time until the Mashines either drastically seperate us from the public or let them roam around more freely. What do you think is more possible? As I stated earlier, giving everyone, depsite of their own subconscious choice, the choice to take the blue pill or take the red pill, the experience will ultimately alter their subconscious leading to a dramatic increase of those who want free and thus unbalancing the system of the Matrix as seen by the Oracle (she forewsaw a balance at 1%). This will inexorably lead to a cataclysmic system crash ((the same way it should have gone when Neo chose to save Trinity instead of reinserting to the prime program and resetting the Zion/Matrix cycle. But Neo found a way... you know that part. I say this OOC cause my character doesn't know this.)) and therfore to the nullifying of the truth and the upcoming extinction of the human race. If the Mashines could survive without humanity is another question but they wouldn't allow us to get that far , even if that means to break the truce. And as I said earler no it wont. The bluepill, why are you people forgetting about that pill. What it does, what its there for, why Cypherites use it on people and themselves. The bluepill puts a person into a deep sleep that when they wake up from they think everything taht happend to them that day was just a dream. The only people this wont work on is those that are apart of the 1%. The rest of them aftering takieng are in dream land and when they wake up they forget about it. I't wont increase it, its there so those that they who take it go back to there peacefuly lives they don't want to give up and so they stay happy. The bluepill cannot alter the subconscious as you belief. It erases your memory but if I may draw an anology to Computers: You can erase any data you like but some parts will always be reconstructable. Of course there are more enhanced eraser programs that work so efficient that nearly no data can be reconstructed but that's still not enough and such programs are rarely used. According to this analogy and the fact that the humans of Zion produced and worked on the design of both pills, one can say that the erasing program of the blue pill is not at an level of efficiency (although Mashine Blue Pills of nowadays might be, although I have no knowledge that they produce some that are different to those of Zion) where the memory can be erased so that in most cases no data (the splinter) remains. Maybe you are lucky and remove the splinter from their mind, but maybe you're not and the splinter remains. Your argument only is able to slow down the process I said to the degree of efficiency of the blue pill.
GamiSB wrote:99% isn't allowed to be aware, have it offerd, or even persue the choice thus they are bound to stay in the Matrix. Actually that is wrong. All 100% have the choice, but only 1% are aware of it. The other 99% are not not (which means yes) allowed to be aware of it, have it offered or being able to persue the choice. The problem is: They are simply unaware of it and don't "need" to become aware of it as they have chosen (according to the choice EVERYONE has been given) that this is the world they want to live in. But that doesn't mean that they can't change that choice of theirs at any given time. But forcing them to chance their choice by the means you stated Gami, well... Wrong? Oh so then that little mission set in the Machine criticle archives where they were tracking down a Zion ship that sent out a few emails to the masses to locate potential bluepills never happend right? I believe there reasoning for trying to locate it bwas because it was sent to everyone and not people in the 1% that accoridng to them are allowed to be freed which was a violation of the truce. Right now no one outside the 1% is allowed to know about the truth, to be offerd a chance to find out about the truth, or even allowed to know it exicest outside the subconcious. Pfft, that's inside information then (that archieve). I think that anyone in the system can adress themselves to those topics, with boundaries (of course, but unfortunately) given. But actually it is inevitable nowadays since the redpill and Exile population grows and their (passive and active) influence gets stronger but not yet stronger than Mashine control. It is a matter of time until the Mashines either drastically seperate us from the public or let them roam around more freely. What do you think is more possible? As I stated earlier, giving everyone, depsite of their own subconscious choice, the choice to take the blue pill or take the red pill, the experience will ultimately alter their subconscious leading to a dramatic increase of those who want free and thus unbalancing the system of the Matrix as seen by the Oracle (she forewsaw a balance at 1%). This will inexorably lead to a cataclysmic system crash ((the same way it should have gone when Neo chose to save Trinity instead of reinserting to the prime program and resetting the Zion/Matrix cycle. But Neo found a way... you know that part. I say this OOC cause my character doesn't know this.)) and therfore to the nullifying of the truth and the upcoming extinction of the human race. If the Mashines could survive without humanity is another question but they wouldn't allow us to get that far , even if that means to break the truce. And as I said earler no it wont. The bluepill, why are you people forgetting about that pill. What it does, what its there for, why Cypherites use it on people and themselves. The bluepill puts a person into a deep sleep that when they wake up from they think everything taht happend to them that day was just a dream. The only people this wont work on is those that are apart of the 1%. The rest of them aftering takieng are in dream land and when they wake up they forget about it. I't wont increase it, its there so those that they who take it go back to there peacefuly lives they don't want to give up and so they stay happy. The bluepill cannot alter the subconscious as you belief. It erases your memory but if I may draw an anology to Computers: You can erase any data you like but some parts will always be reconstructable. Of course there are more enhanced eraser programs that work so efficient that nearly no data can be reconstructed but that's still not enough and such programs are rarely used. According to this analogy and the fact that the humans of Zion produced and worked on the design of both pills, one can say that the erasing program of the blue pill is not at an level of efficiency (although Mashine Blue Pills of nowadays might be, although I have no knowledge that they produce some that are different to those of Zion) where the memory can be erased so that in most cases no data (the splinter) remains. Maybe you are lucky and remove the splinter from their mind, but maybe you're not and the splinter remains. Your argument only is able to slow down the process I said to the degree of efficiency of the blue pill.
Wrong? Oh so then that little mission set in the Machine criticle archives where they were tracking down a Zion ship that sent out a few emails to the masses to locate potential bluepills never happend right? I believe there reasoning for trying to locate it bwas because it was sent to everyone and not people in the 1% that accoridng to them are allowed to be freed which was a violation of the truce. Right now no one outside the 1% is allowed to know about the truth, to be offerd a chance to find out about the truth, or even allowed to know it exicest outside the subconcious. Pfft, that's inside information then (that archieve). I think that anyone in the system can adress themselves to those topics, with boundaries (of course, but unfortunately) given. But actually it is inevitable nowadays since the redpill and Exile population grows and their (passive and active) influence gets stronger but not yet stronger than Mashine control. It is a matter of time until the Mashines either drastically seperate us from the public or let them roam around more freely. What do you think is more possible? As I stated earlier, giving everyone, depsite of their own subconscious choice, the choice to take the blue pill or take the red pill, the experience will ultimately alter their subconscious leading to a dramatic increase of those who want free and thus unbalancing the system of the Matrix as seen by the Oracle (she forewsaw a balance at 1%). This will inexorably lead to a cataclysmic system crash ((the same way it should have gone when Neo chose to save Trinity instead of reinserting to the prime program and resetting the Zion/Matrix cycle. But Neo found a way... you know that part. I say this OOC cause my character doesn't know this.)) and therfore to the nullifying of the truth and the upcoming extinction of the human race. If the Mashines could survive without humanity is another question but they wouldn't allow us to get that far , even if that means to break the truce.
And as I said earler no it wont. The bluepill, why are you people forgetting about that pill. What it does, what its there for, why Cypherites use it on people and themselves. The bluepill puts a person into a deep sleep that when they wake up from they think everything taht happend to them that day was just a dream. The only people this wont work on is those that are apart of the 1%. The rest of them aftering takieng are in dream land and when they wake up they forget about it. I't wont increase it, its there so those that they who take it go back to there peacefuly lives they don't want to give up and so they stay happy. The bluepill cannot alter the subconscious as you belief. It erases your memory but if I may draw an anology to Computers: You can erase any data you like but some parts will always be reconstructable. Of course there are more enhanced eraser programs that work so efficient that nearly no data can be reconstructed but that's still not enough and such programs are rarely used. According to this analogy and the fact that the humans of Zion produced and worked on the design of both pills, one can say that the erasing program of the blue pill is not at an level of efficiency (although Mashine Blue Pills of nowadays might be, although I have no knowledge that they produce some that are different to those of Zion) where the memory can be erased so that in most cases no data (the splinter) remains. Maybe you are lucky and remove the splinter from their mind, but maybe you're not and the splinter remains. Your argument only is able to slow down the process I said to the degree of efficiency of the blue pill.
the other saviour that we are all familiar with, Neo gave his life for both the good and the evil so they may carry on with a certain level of peace, basically delaying the inevitable destruction of both worlds.But again this was only a delay, in hopes that many more could be saved from the system, before his second comming..were he will spread justice amongst those left...The true question here is..Wich side are you on? As only one will inherit the earth.
the other saviour that we are all familiar with, Neo gave his life for both the good and the evil so they may carry on with a certain level of peace, basically delaying the inevitable destruction of both worlds.
I read something like this in a Chick tract once...
GamiSB wrote:GoDGiVeR wrote:GamiSB wrote:99% isn't allowed to be aware, have it offerd, or even persue the choice thus they are bound to stay in the Matrix. Actually that is wrong. All 100% have the choice, but only 1% are aware of it. The other 99% are not not (which means yes) allowed to be aware of it, have it offered or being able to persue the choice. The problem is: They are simply unaware of it and don't "need" to become aware of it as they have chosen (according to the choice EVERYONE has been given) that this is the world they want to live in. But that doesn't mean that they can't change that choice of theirs at any given time. But forcing them to chance their choice by the means you stated Gami, well... Wrong? Oh so then that little mission set in the Machine criticle archives where they were tracking down a Zion ship that sent out a few emails to the masses to locate potential bluepills never happend right? I believe there reasoning for trying to locate it bwas because it was sent to everyone and not people in the 1% that accoridng to them are allowed to be freed which was a violation of the truce. Right now no one outside the 1% is allowed to know about the truth, to be offerd a chance to find out about the truth, or even allowed to know it exicest outside the subconcious. Pfft, that's inside information then (that archieve). I think that anyone in the system can adress themselves to those topics, with boundaries (of course, but unfortunately) given. But actually it is inevitable nowadays since the redpill and Exile population grows and their (passive and active) influence gets stronger but not yet stronger than Mashine control. It is a matter of time until the Mashines either drastically seperate us from the public or let them roam around more freely. What do you think is more possible?It doesnt matter, the fact is that people are not being allowed to hear something or even haveing the chance to decide if they want to hear it. Freedom of speech aparently does not apply when dealing with the truth and that is what needs to be changed. Stop the censorship, stop babying everyone and allow huamnity to think for it's self again. As I stated earlier, giving everyone, depsite of their own subconscious choice, the choice to take the blue pill or take the red pill, the experience will ultimately alter their subconscious leading to a dramatic increase of those who want free and thus unbalancing the system of the Matrix as seen by the Oracle (she forewsaw a balance at 1%). This will inexorably lead to a cataclysmic system crash ((the same way it should have gone when Neo chose to save Trinity instead of reinserting to the prime program and resetting the Zion/Matrix cycle. But Neo found a way... you know that part. I say this OOC cause my character doesn't know this.)) and therfore to the nullifying of the truth and the upcoming extinction of the human race. If the Mashines could survive without humanity is another question but they wouldn't allow us to get that far, even if that means to break the truce. And as I said earler no it wont. The bluepill, why are you people forgetting about that pill. What it does, what its there for, why Cypherites use it on people and themselves. The bluepill puts a person into a deep sleep that when they wake up from they think everything taht happend to them that day was just a dream. The only people this wont work on is those that are apart of the 1%. The rest of them aftering takieng are in dream land and when they wake up they forget about it. I't wont increase it, its there so those that they who take it go back to there peacefuly lives they don't want to give up and so they stay happy. The bluepill cannot alter the subconscious as you belief. It erases your memory but if I may draw an anology to Computers: You can erase any data you like but some parts will always be reconstructable. Of course there are more enhanced eraser programs that work so efficient that nearly no data can be reconstructed but that's still not enough and such programs are rarely used. According to this analogy and the fact that the humans of Zion produced and worked on the design of both pills, one can say that the erasing program of the blue pill is not at an level of efficiency (although Mashine Blue Pills of nowadays might be, although I have no knowledge that they produce some that are different to those of Zion) where the memory can be erased so that in most cases no data (the splinter) remains. Maybe you are lucky and remove the splinter from their mind, but maybe you're not and the splinter remains. Your argument only is able to slow down the process I said to the degree of efficiency of the blue pill.So what your saying then is that any person that has taken the bluepill after going threw the procedures we have now is going to wake up? Thats what your saying right? that the offering of the choice affects the subconcious and that cant be undone?I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree. if this was true humans would be wakeing up left and right without takeing pills becasue there subconcious was alterd and this entire procedue would a danger period because if you so much as talk to a person they wake up. You said it yourself the subconcoius is not something that is easly manipulated so how is something like this going to affect it? It's not and if it does the bluepill takes care of it."You didn't come here to make the choice you've alreayd made it. Your here to understand why you made it" Thats what the pills do, they offer an explination of why your about to choose red or blue.
GoDGiVeR wrote:GamiSB wrote:99% isn't allowed to be aware, have it offerd, or even persue the choice thus they are bound to stay in the Matrix. Actually that is wrong. All 100% have the choice, but only 1% are aware of it. The other 99% are not not (which means yes) allowed to be aware of it, have it offered or being able to persue the choice. The problem is: They are simply unaware of it and don't "need" to become aware of it as they have chosen (according to the choice EVERYONE has been given) that this is the world they want to live in. But that doesn't mean that they can't change that choice of theirs at any given time. But forcing them to chance their choice by the means you stated Gami, well... Wrong? Oh so then that little mission set in the Machine criticle archives where they were tracking down a Zion ship that sent out a few emails to the masses to locate potential bluepills never happend right? I believe there reasoning for trying to locate it bwas because it was sent to everyone and not people in the 1% that accoridng to them are allowed to be freed which was a violation of the truce. Right now no one outside the 1% is allowed to know about the truth, to be offerd a chance to find out about the truth, or even allowed to know it exicest outside the subconcious. Pfft, that's inside information then (that archieve). I think that anyone in the system can adress themselves to those topics, with boundaries (of course, but unfortunately) given. But actually it is inevitable nowadays since the redpill and Exile population grows and their (passive and active) influence gets stronger but not yet stronger than Mashine control. It is a matter of time until the Mashines either drastically seperate us from the public or let them roam around more freely. What do you think is more possible?It doesnt matter, the fact is that people are not being allowed to hear something or even haveing the chance to decide if they want to hear it. Freedom of speech aparently does not apply when dealing with the truth and that is what needs to be changed. Stop the censorship, stop babying everyone and allow huamnity to think for it's self again. As I stated earlier, giving everyone, depsite of their own subconscious choice, the choice to take the blue pill or take the red pill, the experience will ultimately alter their subconscious leading to a dramatic increase of those who want free and thus unbalancing the system of the Matrix as seen by the Oracle (she forewsaw a balance at 1%). This will inexorably lead to a cataclysmic system crash ((the same way it should have gone when Neo chose to save Trinity instead of reinserting to the prime program and resetting the Zion/Matrix cycle. But Neo found a way... you know that part. I say this OOC cause my character doesn't know this.)) and therfore to the nullifying of the truth and the upcoming extinction of the human race. If the Mashines could survive without humanity is another question but they wouldn't allow us to get that far, even if that means to break the truce. And as I said earler no it wont. The bluepill, why are you people forgetting about that pill. What it does, what its there for, why Cypherites use it on people and themselves. The bluepill puts a person into a deep sleep that when they wake up from they think everything taht happend to them that day was just a dream. The only people this wont work on is those that are apart of the 1%. The rest of them aftering takieng are in dream land and when they wake up they forget about it. I't wont increase it, its there so those that they who take it go back to there peacefuly lives they don't want to give up and so they stay happy. The bluepill cannot alter the subconscious as you belief. It erases your memory but if I may draw an anology to Computers: You can erase any data you like but some parts will always be reconstructable. Of course there are more enhanced eraser programs that work so efficient that nearly no data can be reconstructed but that's still not enough and such programs are rarely used. According to this analogy and the fact that the humans of Zion produced and worked on the design of both pills, one can say that the erasing program of the blue pill is not at an level of efficiency (although Mashine Blue Pills of nowadays might be, although I have no knowledge that they produce some that are different to those of Zion) where the memory can be erased so that in most cases no data (the splinter) remains. Maybe you are lucky and remove the splinter from their mind, but maybe you're not and the splinter remains. Your argument only is able to slow down the process I said to the degree of efficiency of the blue pill.So what your saying then is that any person that has taken the bluepill after going threw the procedures we have now is going to wake up? Thats what your saying right? that the offering of the choice affects the subconcious and that cant be undone?I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree. if this was true humans would be wakeing up left and right without takeing pills becasue there subconcious was alterd and this entire procedue would a danger period because if you so much as talk to a person they wake up. You said it yourself the subconcoius is not something that is easly manipulated so how is something like this going to affect it? It's not and if it does the bluepill takes care of it."You didn't come here to make the choice you've alreayd made it. Your here to understand why you made it" Thats what the pills do, they offer an explination of why your about to choose red or blue.
GamiSB wrote:99% isn't allowed to be aware, have it offerd, or even persue the choice thus they are bound to stay in the Matrix. Actually that is wrong. All 100% have the choice, but only 1% are aware of it. The other 99% are not not (which means yes) allowed to be aware of it, have it offered or being able to persue the choice. The problem is: They are simply unaware of it and don't "need" to become aware of it as they have chosen (according to the choice EVERYONE has been given) that this is the world they want to live in. But that doesn't mean that they can't change that choice of theirs at any given time. But forcing them to chance their choice by the means you stated Gami, well... Wrong? Oh so then that little mission set in the Machine criticle archives where they were tracking down a Zion ship that sent out a few emails to the masses to locate potential bluepills never happend right? I believe there reasoning for trying to locate it bwas because it was sent to everyone and not people in the 1% that accoridng to them are allowed to be freed which was a violation of the truce. Right now no one outside the 1% is allowed to know about the truth, to be offerd a chance to find out about the truth, or even allowed to know it exicest outside the subconcious. Pfft, that's inside information then (that archieve). I think that anyone in the system can adress themselves to those topics, with boundaries (of course, but unfortunately) given. But actually it is inevitable nowadays since the redpill and Exile population grows and their (passive and active) influence gets stronger but not yet stronger than Mashine control. It is a matter of time until the Mashines either drastically seperate us from the public or let them roam around more freely. What do you think is more possible?It doesnt matter, the fact is that people are not being allowed to hear something or even haveing the chance to decide if they want to hear it. Freedom of speech aparently does not apply when dealing with the truth and that is what needs to be changed. Stop the censorship, stop babying everyone and allow huamnity to think for it's self again. As I stated earlier, giving everyone, depsite of their own subconscious choice, the choice to take the blue pill or take the red pill, the experience will ultimately alter their subconscious leading to a dramatic increase of those who want free and thus unbalancing the system of the Matrix as seen by the Oracle (she forewsaw a balance at 1%). This will inexorably lead to a cataclysmic system crash ((the same way it should have gone when Neo chose to save Trinity instead of reinserting to the prime program and resetting the Zion/Matrix cycle. But Neo found a way... you know that part. I say this OOC cause my character doesn't know this.)) and therfore to the nullifying of the truth and the upcoming extinction of the human race. If the Mashines could survive without humanity is another question but they wouldn't allow us to get that far, even if that means to break the truce. And as I said earler no it wont. The bluepill, why are you people forgetting about that pill. What it does, what its there for, why Cypherites use it on people and themselves. The bluepill puts a person into a deep sleep that when they wake up from they think everything taht happend to them that day was just a dream. The only people this wont work on is those that are apart of the 1%. The rest of them aftering takieng are in dream land and when they wake up they forget about it. I't wont increase it, its there so those that they who take it go back to there peacefuly lives they don't want to give up and so they stay happy. The bluepill cannot alter the subconscious as you belief. It erases your memory but if I may draw an anology to Computers: You can erase any data you like but some parts will always be reconstructable. Of course there are more enhanced eraser programs that work so efficient that nearly no data can be reconstructed but that's still not enough and such programs are rarely used. According to this analogy and the fact that the humans of Zion produced and worked on the design of both pills, one can say that the erasing program of the blue pill is not at an level of efficiency (although Mashine Blue Pills of nowadays might be, although I have no knowledge that they produce some that are different to those of Zion) where the memory can be erased so that in most cases no data (the splinter) remains. Maybe you are lucky and remove the splinter from their mind, but maybe you're not and the splinter remains. Your argument only is able to slow down the process I said to the degree of efficiency of the blue pill.So what your saying then is that any person that has taken the bluepill after going threw the procedures we have now is going to wake up? Thats what your saying right? that the offering of the choice affects the subconcious and that cant be undone?I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree. if this was true humans would be wakeing up left and right without takeing pills becasue there subconcious was alterd and this entire procedue would a danger period because if you so much as talk to a person they wake up. You said it yourself the subconcoius is not something that is easly manipulated so how is something like this going to affect it? It's not and if it does the bluepill takes care of it."You didn't come here to make the choice you've alreayd made it. Your here to understand why you made it" Thats what the pills do, they offer an explination of why your about to choose red or blue.
Wrong? Oh so then that little mission set in the Machine criticle archives where they were tracking down a Zion ship that sent out a few emails to the masses to locate potential bluepills never happend right? I believe there reasoning for trying to locate it bwas because it was sent to everyone and not people in the 1% that accoridng to them are allowed to be freed which was a violation of the truce. Right now no one outside the 1% is allowed to know about the truth, to be offerd a chance to find out about the truth, or even allowed to know it exicest outside the subconcious. Pfft, that's inside information then (that archieve). I think that anyone in the system can adress themselves to those topics, with boundaries (of course, but unfortunately) given. But actually it is inevitable nowadays since the redpill and Exile population grows and their (passive and active) influence gets stronger but not yet stronger than Mashine control. It is a matter of time until the Mashines either drastically seperate us from the public or let them roam around more freely. What do you think is more possible?
It doesnt matter, the fact is that people are not being allowed to hear something or even haveing the chance to decide if they want to hear it. Freedom of speech aparently does not apply when dealing with the truth and that is what needs to be changed. Stop the censorship, stop babying everyone and allow huamnity to think for it's self again. As I stated earlier, giving everyone, depsite of their own subconscious choice, the choice to take the blue pill or take the red pill, the experience will ultimately alter their subconscious leading to a dramatic increase of those who want free and thus unbalancing the system of the Matrix as seen by the Oracle (she forewsaw a balance at 1%). This will inexorably lead to a cataclysmic system crash ((the same way it should have gone when Neo chose to save Trinity instead of reinserting to the prime program and resetting the Zion/Matrix cycle. But Neo found a way... you know that part. I say this OOC cause my character doesn't know this.)) and therfore to the nullifying of the truth and the upcoming extinction of the human race. If the Mashines could survive without humanity is another question but they wouldn't allow us to get that far, even if that means to break the truce.
So what your saying then is that any person that has taken the bluepill after going threw the procedures we have now is going to wake up? Thats what your saying right? that the offering of the choice affects the subconcious and that cant be undone?
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree. if this was true humans would be wakeing up left and right without takeing pills becasue there subconcious was alterd and this entire procedue would a danger period because if you so much as talk to a person they wake up. You said it yourself the subconcoius is not something that is easly manipulated so how is something like this going to affect it? It's not and if it does the bluepill takes care of it.
"You didn't come here to make the choice you've alreayd made it. Your here to understand why you made it" Thats what the pills do, they offer an explination of why your about to choose red or blue.
GoDGiVeR wrote:GamiSB wrote:GoDGiVeR wrote:GamiSB wrote:99% isn't allowed to be aware, have it offerd, or even persue the choice thus they are bound to stay in the Matrix. Actually that is wrong. All 100% have the choice, but only 1% are aware of it. The other 99% are not not (which means yes) allowed to be aware of it, have it offered or being able to persue the choice. The problem is: They are simply unaware of it and don't "need" to become aware of it as they have chosen (according to the choice EVERYONE has been given) that this is the world they want to live in. But that doesn't mean that they can't change that choice of theirs at any given time. But forcing them to chance their choice by the means you stated Gami, well... Wrong? Oh so then that little mission set in the Machine criticle archives where they were tracking down a Zion ship that sent out a few emails to the masses to locate potential bluepills never happend right? I believe there reasoning for trying to locate it bwas because it was sent to everyone and not people in the 1% that accoridng to them are allowed to be freed which was a violation of the truce. Right now no one outside the 1% is allowed to know about the truth, to be offerd a chance to find out about the truth, or even allowed to know it exicest outside the subconcious. Pfft, that's inside information then (that archieve). I think that anyone in the system can adress themselves to those topics, with boundaries (of course, but unfortunately) given. But actually it is inevitable nowadays since the redpill and Exile population grows and their (passive and active) influence gets stronger but not yet stronger than Mashine control. It is a matter of time until the Mashines either drastically seperate us from the public or let them roam around more freely. What do you think is more possible?It doesnt matter, the fact is that people are not being allowed to hear something or even haveing the chance to decide if they want to hear it. Freedom of speech aparently does not apply when dealing with the truth and that is what needs to be changed. Stop the censorship, stop babying everyone and allow huamnity to think for it's self again. As I stated earlier, giving everyone, depsite of their own subconscious choice, the choice to take the blue pill or take the red pill, the experience will ultimately alter their subconscious leading to a dramatic increase of those who want free and thus unbalancing the system of the Matrix as seen by the Oracle (she forewsaw a balance at 1%). This will inexorably lead to a cataclysmic system crash ((the same way it should have gone when Neo chose to save Trinity instead of reinserting to the prime program and resetting the Zion/Matrix cycle. But Neo found a way... you know that part. I say this OOC cause my character doesn't know this.)) and therfore to the nullifying of the truth and the upcoming extinction of the human race. If the Mashines could survive without humanity is another question but they wouldn't allow us to get that far, even if that means to break the truce. And as I said earler no it wont. The bluepill, why are you people forgetting about that pill. What it does, what its there for, why Cypherites use it on people and themselves. The bluepill puts a person into a deep sleep that when they wake up from they think everything taht happend to them that day was just a dream. The only people this wont work on is those that are apart of the 1%. The rest of them aftering takieng are in dream land and when they wake up they forget about it. I't wont increase it, its there so those that they who take it go back to there peacefuly lives they don't want to give up and so they stay happy. The bluepill cannot alter the subconscious as you belief. It erases your memory but if I may draw an anology to Computers: You can erase any data you like but some parts will always be reconstructable. Of course there are more enhanced eraser programs that work so efficient that nearly no data can be reconstructed but that's still not enough and such programs are rarely used. According to this analogy and the fact that the humans of Zion produced and worked on the design of both pills, one can say that the erasing program of the blue pill is not at an level of efficiency (although Mashine Blue Pills of nowadays might be, although I have no knowledge that they produce some that are different to those of Zion) where the memory can be erased so that in most cases no data (the splinter) remains. Maybe you are lucky and remove the splinter from their mind, but maybe you're not and the splinter remains. Your argument only is able to slow down the process I said to the degree of efficiency of the blue pill.So what your saying then is that any person that has taken the bluepill after going threw the procedures we have now is going to wake up? Thats what your saying right? that the offering of the choice affects the subconcious and that cant be undone?I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree. if this was true humans would be wakeing up left and right without takeing pills becasue there subconcious was alterd and this entire procedue would a danger period because if you so much as talk to a person they wake up. You said it yourself the subconcoius is not something that is easly manipulated so how is something like this going to affect it? It's not and if it does the bluepill takes care of it."You didn't come here to make the choice you've alreayd made it. Your here to understand why you made it" Thats what the pills do, they offer an explination of why your about to choose red or blue.
Amazing how hard people will argue to defend their position now that they've seen the truth about us, isn't it, guys?
Look at them, fighting so desperately to cling to their own false assumptions. Just like a bluepill who isn't ready to be freed.
This just goes to show you, no matter what, people are just going to keep their minds closed and think what they want to think just because that's what they've been told.
Actions speak louder than words, I suppose.
Lets break this down slow and eazy for the Special Ed Brigade. [You know who you are]
As the Truce dictates, Zion is allowed to offer the choice to any of the 1% who do not beleive the system. They are allowed to do this in the method that offers choice. A red and blue pill. That is the only way acceptable, and the only way allowed under the truce.
EPN? You can have "big ideas" and a "vision" all you want, and can relase your "manifesto" at will. But any actions taken outside of offering the red or blue pill to the applicable 1%, and you will be outside the bounds of the Truce, and we will kill you.
NightTrace, Customer Service Tech, The Mega City Department of Energy
