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The EJP [Emergency Jackout Procedure] is a set of code that was developed soon after the Truce's start that will forcefully remove a person whose vital signs hit a level that at any time prior would have induced a state of death in the target.

But code still has to realize that its monitored functions have hit the proper levels to initialize etc.

Would it not make sense that hitting a human with the proper amount of force in a fast enough matter would in fact result in an actual corpse in the real where a human once was?


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Interesting thought.

Well, the EJP was made by Danielle Wright (RIP) and Wright Research, and I would assume the system is some sort of modification to the normal dying process in the Matrix (obviously with Machine consent, at least initially).  I would also guess that it would have to be setup on a ship-by-ship basis for each Redpill, so the system could identify.

Unless there's some sort of fail-safe, such as the direct adjustment of neurological signals sent to a person's brain in the Matrix (and subsequently, their body in the Real) to make sure they don't overload, I would say it's possible.

Message edited by Shadow-SK on 02/13/2008 18:13:01.



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   It was always my belief that instant death scenarios would be too fast for the EJP.  Or that a redpill could potentially receive a lot of damage in the simulation and escape, but die from their injuries in the real.

   I find it hard to believe that any program could save someone from, say, the epicenter of a nuclear explosion.  Or something much more subtle, like a bullet in the back of the head.  Or decapitation.



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Othinn1 wrote:


   It was always my belief that instant death scenarios would be too fast for the EJP.  Or that a redpill could potentially receive a lot of damage in the simulation and escape, but die from their injuries in the real.

   I find it hard to believe that any program could save someone from, say, the epicenter of a nuclear explosion.  Or something much more subtle, like a bullet in the back of the head.  Or decapitation.

If there's a fail-safe for a specific situation, I wouldn't see why not.  We can bend the rules of the Matrix, but who's to say the Matrix itself can't change them?  This is all theoretical, of course.  The issue in this thinking, though, is prevention.  Because someone obviously couldn't be decapitated (per your example), and live to tell about it.

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Which we would then have to start taking into account, meaning the EJP is a code form that actually is not only an active monitor of your body in the real, but also somehow is able to "expand" from your RSI and compile/sort through the code that forms up everything around you, allowing such instant jackouts to take place.

IE: It knows the bullet that hits the center of your forehead before you even hear the sound is coming, and is able to prevent it from killing you etc.

Its one of the few things that would -almost- make sense.

But then, if it does that, its a simple manner of the machines playing guess and check with willing or not so willing operatives to the point that they understand the EJPs sweeps, and then develop measures that it can't detected, leading to EJP avoiding rifles/knives/suits etc.


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Othinn1 wrote:


   It was always my belief that instant death scenarios would be too fast for the EJP.  Or that a redpill could potentially receive a lot of damage in the simulation and escape, but die from their injuries in the real.

   I find it hard to believe that any program could save someone from, say, the epicenter of a nuclear explosion.  Or something much more subtle, like a bullet in the back of the head.  Or decapitation.
Thank you, this in particular was something that I had been dwelling on in my own mind.

If someone were to snap, and code themselves up a functioning "suitcase nuke", the instantaneous method of the deaths should most defiantly happen before any man made code registers and "jacks you out".




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We have to consider that EJP only exists because the Matrix turned into an MMO, you know. I still find some "holes" in its procedure(like the nuke scenario mentioned before).

However, the main one I find is this: why the machines, with their almost absolute control of the matrix, don't turn it off now that the Truce is over?



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Ryumanjisen wrote:

We have to consider that EJP only exists because the Matrix turned into an MMO, you know. I still find some "holes" in its procedure(like the nuke scenario mentioned before).

However, the main one I find is this: why the machines, with their almost absolute control of the matrix, don't turn it off now that the Truce is over?

It's not their technology, so they might not know how. And maybe they were in the process of doing so, and the Intruder stuff stopped their research.

I'd agree that it's mainly cuz of the MMO thing. Not many people would like perma-death. Even if it just gave a death penalty, and changed your appearance and name for awhile.



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Ryumanjisen wrote:

We have to consider that EJP only exists because the Matrix turned into an MMO, you know.


Bingo. EJP was created as a way to make "respawn" sound more Matrix-y.



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But but...then I can't over analyze everything SMILEY


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Of course you can, Trace. That's what we are doing here, right?

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It's not their technology, so they might not know how. And maybe they were in the process of doing so, and the Intruder stuff stopped their research.


Hum...a technology that alters the Matrix in such a way(negating death) it's unlikey to go unnoticed by the Machines. Sure, it's a feature only designed to make the "respawn" in a matrixy way... to add flavor, so to speak.

But I still find strange that, after the Truce, the EJP is still working...without giving us any explanation. It's just another proof that the developers doesn't really care about the theme.



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Two questions come to mind when I think of EJP. One what are the chances of someone having a faulty device? And two if someone could create this device, wouldn't someone else have made another device to block the signal by now?



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Ryumanjisen wrote:

Of course you can, Trace. That's what we are doing here, right?

 MotorZ wrote:

It's not their technology, so they might not know how. And maybe they were in the process of doing so, and the Intruder stuff stopped their research.


Hum...a technology that alters the Matrix in such a way(negating death) it's unlikey to go unnoticed by the Machines. Sure, it's a feature only designed to make the "respawn" in a matrixy way... to add flavor, so to speak.

But I still find strange that, after the Truce, the EJP is still working...without giving us any explanation. It's just another proof that the developers doesn't really care about the theme.


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Well, the EJP would have to be working or there would be no way to respawn (from an MMO view).  Also, I already stated that the EJP system was created by Danielle Wright of Wright Research.  I'm guessing initially, they allowed her to create the EJP system in order for their own operatives to stay alive.  It just so happens that all Redpills use the same system.  When the truce broke, and now Danielle dead for helping Zion create the new redpill, it would be safe to assume that the system operates on its own.  Maybe the machines don't fully understand how to access/use it... yet.



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The EJP works on the higher layers of the network protocols that are necessary for jacking in to the Matrix. In TCP/IP manner, EJP would take the place between Layer 4 (Application) and Layer 3 (Transport). Layer 4 would in our sense be the Host body. But EJP is not a mandatory protocol in the protocol stack. You remember Neurophyte? I think that was the name. I think I've read that she jacked in from a Hovercraft where the EJP wasn't installed yet. Anyways, that means that the EJP does not interfere with the network protocols of the Machines, which then means, that the Machines have no to little means to interfere with the EJP.

You see, the EJP works like a filter. The additional informations packed between the headers and bodies of the higher layers enables the EJP to analyse any damage done to the RSI in the Matrix.
No damage whatsoever is let through, thus that information is being filtered out, internally processed and then transported to the Host. Naturally that creates a problem of information sharing between RSI and Host. That problem is being dealt with a puffer inside an allocated memory space for each individual Host.

To explain the problem one has to imagine on how the mind looks like when jacked in. When you are jacked in, all that you are is basically shut off from the rest of the brain, leaving behind only vital features, which also includes pain management. The shut-off part of the brain is then transformed into the RSI. Back in the day the vital system was shared between the RSI and the host body, which meant that any damage taken from the RSI was tansferred to the Host and vice versa. The EJP however posseses an allocated memory space between the vital system and the RSI, creating a seperate vital system meant only for the RSI. The EJP reroutes any information concerning the vital status not to the bodies vital system but to that allocated virtual vital system. Any damage taken in the Matrix is still being "felt" but only a virtual vital system is being damaged, the Host is being left unharmed. The connection between the virtual and the actual vital system includes only a static pulse, remembering the Host that it's in fact still alive.

Now, when someone dies in the Matrix, it means that the VVS (Virtual Vital System) has been severly damaged. In case of this happening, the VVS has to be replaced by a new VVS, which is basically a copy of the AVS (Actual Vital System). The process is being called "Reconstruction". Unfortunately, if only the VVS would have to be replaced, then it would be easy, but unfortunately, the Image Data is affected by any damage as well. For that case periodical updates of a healthy RSI are being made and then used in the Reconstruction. However, Reconstruction never uses a full RSI reconstruction, because that would lead to another problem (spoke of later on). Reconstruction always only reconstructs the damaged parts of the RSI. During the phase of reconstruction of the RSI and the reconstruction of the VVS, for a short time the path to the AVS is inevitably being left open. That is because without the VVS which sends a static impulse to the AVS, the Host would die. To prevent that, the path to the AVS has to be opened again for that short period of time. Unfortunately that implies that during that phase pain that has been stored in the puffer (leftovers of the RSI) will be sent along to the AVS now. This is what we call the "Near Death Trauma". The bigger the feedback, the stronger the NDT becomes. Obviously that depends on the damage dealt onto the RSI, which means that if the EJP had to reconstruct the RSI completely, the feedback would be so big, that the shock the AVS takes would kill the Host.

After you die in the Matrix, or in a construct on your Hovercraft, Reconstruction is not an immediate process. Reconstruction can be delayed by about 6 minutes, in which time, the body is braindead. Of course, Operators naturally will reconstruct their Operatives immediately to avoid any permanent damage to the brain. This 6 minute time is meant as a puffer before one really dies. The EJP has no problem with the Reconstruction of a braindead Host, considering it has the RSI and Vital Data.

Reconstruction usually has to be done outside the simulation, for it takes up resources that oneself, being dead, cannot use. However, in co-operation with the Machines during the truce, some hacking routines have been established which allow people with the necessary routines to act as a mediator, which means they are able to initiate the Reconstruction process within the simulation.


((Oh, and yes, that is my explanation of the EJ protocol and the Reconstruction process. I have also written down some explanations of basic hacking routines and hacking abilities, but nothing anywhere near completion >_>SMILEY)




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Ryumanjisen wrote:

We have to consider that EJP only exists because the Matrix turned into an MMO, you know. I still find some "holes" in its procedure(like the nuke scenario mentioned before).

However, the main one I find is this: why the machines, with their almost absolute control of the matrix, don't turn it off now that the Truce is over?

Like they said, it's not their technology, AND Machine Operatives (like myself), still have to use EJP if we die in combat. Why turn it off and sacrifice your operatives lives?
People still work for the Machines, despite the Truce being over.
My 2 pieces on it.

Message edited by Travi on 02/14/2008 01:42:40.

 
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