So, Shimada's kinda dead now, which is all well and good, but as I read a log of the Merv meeting, an idea of what the BIP's potential can do for her sprung into my head. The BIP is, essentially, a remote control of some sort that replaces a human with a synthetic android capable of the same thought patterns, or something. Forgive my forgetfulness, I haven't actually been here for the past couple of weeks and it's already much of a haze.
We saw Halborn, who was apparently dead in the Desert, but used some form of technology to preserve himself long enough to force entry into the Matrix, where he sought the BIP to acquire himself a new body; the same goes for Danielle Wright, whose apparent death at the hands of the Machines might have actually transpired, yet she used the same technology and hid until the BIP surfaced.
Now we have the Merovingian, in possession of an android with no mind, and EPN, in possession of the remnants of a mind with no body. The possibility of a transaction here seems likely, if I have my mind in order.
Thoughts, opinions, offers of sunflower seeds?
I hope not, only to enforce the fact that when people die, human characters especially, they should stay dead. Mostly.
In general I'd like to know a little more about this Android.Sure, we get it can house a human counciousness but does that mean every Oligarch has one? Was it only Halborn because of "dead-ness"? Was Danielle Wright using one? Is this the "new version" of the Matrix tech that allowed freeborns to Jack-In? If so, was Mauser using one? If so, why wasn't he all wireframey?Answers plz.
cloudwolf wrote:
For all its said. Mauser was ripped and eaten by squiddies. However a bit of me wants to doubt that. Not sure why tho. For if mauser was dead. He would of been wireframe like in terms of dead-life. But if he was still councious. He would be able to have a physical form.
Just what i'm thinking tho. But don't mind me. just tossing this out as a odd thought.
Not completely, for Beirn is dead in the Real yet keeps his body intact in the Matrix.
But, if Mauser used Wright's technology to jack in, and if Wright is now using Oligarch technology, why then did Mauser not have access to this same technology? What changed between Mauser's last appearance and Wright's reappearance? Did Mauser take something with him that helped augment Wright's powers, and if so, does that mean the two are working together?
In honesty, I feel the crux of the question lies with the speculation that if one's mental projection of themselves is stable and secure enough. That is, not in any way doubtful of their own actions or motives; then the Matrix can support the individual as an independent entity. A more complex and evolved RSI. (Residual Self Image - with the image being the individual's imagining of how they should appear - the Matrix extending this by allowing each of us to project how we think we should act).
With the BIP being (at least seen as) an aid toward this end. A sort of means of securing an indefinite existance within the Simulation, without the need for or reliance upon a physical form in the Outside.
I don't think this would be possible. Danielle said she had to enter the Matrix as a complete consciousness at the time of her death or shortly before. That's why she could stay in the Matrix while her body died.
I highly doubt Shimada did that.
ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:
...The BIP is, essentially, a remote control of some sort that replaces a human with a synthetic android capable of the same thought patterns, or something. Forgive my forgetfulness, I haven't actually been here for the past couple of weeks and it's already much of a haze....Thoughts, opinions, offers of sunflower seeds?
I've always been under the impression that the BIP was designed to embed itself within a host (primarly humans though we have seen it hop into a program shell) and allow for a connection/interface with the Source thus facilitating the measure of "control" for the unplugged humans created by the Oracle.
I think that Halborn wanted the BIP so that he could use it to embed his own mind within a human body again. I recall him stating at one point that he hated what he had become. Wright probably wanted it for the same reason, although possibly to also allow her to exert more control over the Matrix.
In Shimada's case, I think she' just plain, old-fashioned dead now.
/tosssunflowerseeds
Shimada's conscioussness was already in the Matrix (for whatever reason), and the BIP does seem to zap wherever it darn well pleases, so who's to say it didn't pick her up at the moment of disconnection? Now I'm reaching, I know, but it's fun to speculate. Who knows, maybe that's who the Golden Gal is.
She's hiding with Morpheus and Neo.
I'm sceptical about that. Wright, Halborn... they had technology to help them get into the simulation, we saw this because it wasn't quite compatable with the current software hence the wireframyness. Mauser is a different case but his presence is still shrouded in mystery, but wasn't he considered still alive in the real when he was hopping around the simulation? The presence of the lightning gun a fair distance from Zion and Wrights surface lab could have indicated this prehaps.
In any case I would think that in order to ensure the full conciousness to survive in the Matrix without support from the conciousness' body it would take not only different technology that Shimada had access to but I would imagine it would take a lot of focus of the mind to prepare for it. Veil didn't give Shimada any time to prepare for it.
Also was Shimada in the Matrix at the time of her death? Were her actions or at least her location established?
Gerik wrote:
ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:Shimada's conscioussness was already in the Matrix (for whatever reason), and the BIP does seem to zap wherever it darn well pleases, so who's to say it didn't pick her up at the moment of disconnection? Now I'm reaching, I know, but it's fun to speculate. Who knows, maybe that's who the Golden Gal is.She's hiding with Morpheus and Neo.
Those two have got to be tired by now, since their hiding space gets filled with every single conscious being that has ever died in any Matrix product (including Insectoids and Mega Smith).
So lemme get this straight. You're saying Veil is working for Morphy and Neo, faking Shimada's death so she can go hide with them. Or wait, maybe that wasn't Veil , cuz like, she looked all different than her RSI (thanks to Rare). And then you''re saying they're all living in a blackhole along with all the dead people since SoE took over or before, waiting for the opportunity to surface.During all this time the BIP runs around, cuz he's the white rabbit going deeper into the hole.And maybe you wanna say that Neo will come out along with Morphy, Veil and the blackhole inhabitants when the time is right. That is, when Rarebit leads the Oligarchs to the destruction of Zion and the Matrix = Mervs too = Machines cuz they got no power. So in the end Rarebit and Neo fight, and Neo pulls some amazing unbeforeseen moves, but oh no! Rarebit pulls out another cinematic and kills everyone. Game Over.Rarebit wins MxO.
Is that what you're saying?
NeoExcidious wrote:
So lemme get this straight. You're saying Veil is working for Morphy and Neo, faking Shimada's death so she can go hide with them. Or wait, maybe that wasn't Veil , cuz like, she looked all different than her RSI (thanks to Rare). And then you''re saying they're all living in a blackhole along with all the dead people since SoE took over or before, waiting for the opportunity to surface.During all this time the BIP runs around, cuz he's the white rabbit going deeper into the hole.And maybe you wanna say that Neo will come out along with Morphy, Veil and the blackhole inhabitants when the time is right. That is, when Rarebit leads the Oligarchs to the destruction of Zion and the Matrix = Mervs too = Machines cuz they got no power. So in the end Rarebit and Neo fight, and Neo pulls some amazing unbeforeseen moves, but oh no! Rarebit pulls out another cinematic and kills everyone. Game Over.Rarebit wins MxO.Is that what you're saying?
Where did I say that? By the way, it was a joke, sorry you missed it.
