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Systemic Anomaly

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There was a time, where PVP was about to take of big in the Constructs and we had some realyl big awesome battles, and lag wasnt a issue....tactics played a very important part, cause you simply didnt want to die, to get back in took time.

 

Now even I participate in PVP in mara, why? cause its not in 01, ill go there a times, do a /slash who and nada, just me in there...

 

Why are people avoiding it? What makes you not go there? And is anyone up for a large battle in 01? SMILEY



Systemic Anomaly

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Hm...well


>if you die in constructs u would need a rezzer unless u want to wait for a while to gain entry again / if u die in mara or somit u can recon instantly and get bk into the action.


>archives books lose puriy and stabability and costs money to get the book / pvp outside archives is free unless your ninja looted  :p


>in the archives you can get ganked by the goons in there, so really your fighting more people / outside the archives like in mara whats there? oh some lvl 3 bloodwood goons





Systemic Anomaly

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hmmm..


reply on 1. - Avoiding death has more meaning to tactics and group effort, it will make you a better pvp player for it! SMILEY


reply on 2. On average if you pvp in the construct everyday you could get a month out of a book, and at what 150k ? thats nothing, you get more info from doing a quick mission....


reply on 3. Most who pvp are level 50, the only place you get ganked in 01 is the boss location...







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((I agree that PvP in the constructs would take a lot more tactics and
would really show who "has it" and who doesn't.  Hence, we won't
see very many Zionists there on Syntax any time soon.  Too many
people rely on unflagged rezzing for their PvP.  /tsktsk))



Systemic Anomaly

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Totally agree, only there can you truly earn respect in pvp, it has no HL, it has no Unflagged rezzers, It only has the challange SMILEY





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tis just a shame that the optimal place for pvp for the
above reasons (ie unflagged rezzers) isn't in megacity itself. the
entire city is filled with really amazing places where ppl could pvp
(different streets and buildings and types of urban landscape
contributing to the feel/strategy - ie pvping in the twisty alleys of
international, or in the huge corporate plazas of downtown or even
along the ramshackle rooftops of westview's slums)





wait. there's a server where unflagged rezzers aren't a problem. can't
remember the name off the top of my head... starts with a v i think. :robotwink:



Systemic Anomaly

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I can see how that works, its more building and location tactics too then, but i guess the hostile server has that....



Jacked Out

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I wish constructs would be used more aswell.  Back in beta, the
construct was where the game ruled.  I remeber having some great
fights in there.





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Dare wrote:
((I agree that PvP in the constructs would take a lot more tactics and would really show who "has it" and who doesn't.  Hence, we won't see very many Zionists there on Syntax any time soon.  Too many people rely on unflagged rezzing for their PvP.  /tsktsk))







 


Before the merger there was a planned pvp battle in 01.  It was primarily Merv vs Zion with a few machines in the mix.  The battle was completely onesided in Zion's favor.  Possibly due to numbers.. but also multiple groups using Voice servers and spies in various locations reporting enemy movements.


The key for any successful pvp battle is communication.  VD and TB's help too SMILEY


Dare... See if you can get another battle started in 01.  I am sure Zion would once again wipe the floor using unbeatable Zerg tactics. SMILEY


 





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it would be a great battle in 0-1 now that zion has been weakened alot. It wouldnt be 1 sided, like it always was before. And now the machines might actually fight in there as a group(that would be a surprise). But yea, i'd love to have another pvp battle in there.:smileyhappy:


Systemic Anomaly

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Zion in certain ways has weakened, yes, but let it be known, warriors have also risen SMILEY


Im trying to get a PVP battle set up, so hopefully this will happen soon SMILEY







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Why aren't constructs used?



1)Less rezers.

2)Slow/Limited Access

3)Can't attack while unflagged.

4)No unflagged rezers.

5)No unflagged buffers.

6)No low levels.

7)Takes longer to have/start a battle in constructs.

SMILEYConstruct too large to PvP in with few people. Unless you've got
large groups, are at a base, or at the center, you'll have trouble
finding anyone.

9)No incentive. Mara PvP faster and easier than in constructs.

10)Safe zones often used as staging area/hiding spot. While Mara it not
much different, preventing the entering of a safe zone after exiting it
would be nice. A new exit spot outside the safe zone could be added.



Constructs are fun places to have battles. Just Mara is either better, or easier in many aspects.



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Ok TasteeWheat I tried to just lurk this one but now you went and got my dander up so .......

 

Consider this a rant, though I will attempt to keep it Tiny Hard one.

 

I have been on the mero end of a few of those and now even (mind you I think the PVP by lvl 50's in the slums is tacky at best ) the PVP with zion is not fun anymore the sheer numbers is the only tactic used by Zion and I might add most efective. Though un imaginative, dishonorable, and in the long run weakens Zion. IMOHO

 

<Later addition; To Zions credit I have met many honorable Zion red-pills you know how you are *smiles /bow >

 

I saw great possibilities in the constructs, however my crews are all spaced out in terms of positions filled with a large spectrum of neural spike activity *grin*

 

And as has been noted a few times at best Barren. I felt at once as with most of the amazing RP opportunities in mXo content wise, that the constructs were being wasted.

 

As this is a construct thread anyone Capt' interested Mech. or Zion, in taking out a construct Sentries, (yes im lvl 50 amuse me please) send me a tell in game we will meet and talk of such things.



Systemic Anomaly

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You will find honour in zions, you have to look at the right people SMILEY

 

Once PVP gets going in 01 im sure it will be fun, i hope the devs take into consideration the possiblity of giving someone some info for using the constructs, be  it capture flag or "disk" style game or simply getting kils in 01, now that would encourage people to use the constructs for pvp, and keep them coming back for more SMILEY

 

Also I as a zionist admit ive seen the ZERG, but i leave pvp when that happens, i prefer a fair battle, and also lately in mara (yes i know SMILEY) when im being attacked very few zion will back me up, now im not to bothered about that i guess, having to survive as a solo player when outnumbered makes you a better overal pvp player....and learn better tactics, as im sure anyone who has seen me will agree....



Femme Fatale

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I think it's mainly because most people don't want to pvp without unflagged rezzers and healers alongside them.

 

 

 

Illyria

 
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