[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08

**Aquilae**

shinpseudo wrote:

Rarebit wrote:
kou_urake wrote:
((Note the black vest. Its the sim.))
Actually it's easier if you examine the pants.

...

Don't take that out of context.

Right; so Morpheus enjoyed Lo Ruhamah's outfit as much as I did, I see.

I'd rise from the dead too just to check her out.

**ZipperQueen**

OK, so what have we learned?

Very little by itself, it seems... but other facts from the past may be helpful.

At the very beginning, Morpheus was taking the "jihadist" route, using viruses and code bombs to destabilize the Matrix. His intent: To retrieve Neo's physical body and return it to Zion. He went to The Oracle on several occasions to help him decide upon that path. In fact, he very directly asked "Why won't they give up his remains?" Of course, the Mervs hired the Assassin to take Morpheus down, EPN is formed, blah blah blah.

When the General created Morpheus 2.0 (or are we calling him Morpheus-sim? Psuedo-Morpheus? Whatever.) he used some of Morpheus's memories to create him. Why do I say that? It's obvious. A simulated version of Morpheus would not be convincing without his memories or some type of thought-pattern-algorithms in the AI. Of course, it was probably impossible for the General to get a full idea of Morpheus's every last thought and memory; the original was a redpill, after all, and didn't spend his entire life jacked in. So the Morpheus we see here today is most likely a flawed creation. Hell, even the Intruder saw through the ruse.

So maybe the whole black pants/purple pants thing was designed deliberately.

But we knew that already.

Try this on for size: Morpheus 2.0 does have a collection of the original redpill's memory patterns, including the fact that Neo and Trinity died to save Mankind. He apparently remembers Seraph; he would know that Seraph would keep an eye on current events as well. So Seraph and Morpheus 2.0 have a little chat. Morpheus 2.0 is directed to the Abandoned Subway where he speaks to LR. Meanwhile, someone (can't tell who... Ghost? Some other redpill? It definitely isn't Morpheus) visits Neo's gravesite, and LR decides to go have a chat with the Trainman.

Put it all together... and it seems to me like Morpheus 2.0 is trying to find a way to revive Neo. I still think that's impossible - the man is dead, Jim - but stranger things have happened. If the Architect could devise a way to genetically reincarnate someone, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for Zion to do the same thing when given the correct knowledge and equipment.

(Note to self: Put in a call to LR.)

**shinpseudo**

The story summary that just went up says:

"Operatives identified contact between Seraph, Morpheus, and Lo Ruhamah. Morpheus was seen with Ruhamah at the Abandoned Subway."

Why doesn't it say "the Morpheus SIM"...? Or is the SIM just called "Morpheus" now?

**Garu**

Maybe he's the real Morpheus this whole time but he was brainwashed into thinking he was just a SIM!

>.>

<.<

**MotorZ**

Garu wrote:

Maybe he's the real Morpheus this whole time but he was brainwashed into thinking he was just a SIM!

I've actually thought about that before...I remember before he died there being rumors Morpheus was working with the General...

He's called Morpheus in-game too, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was what was meant in the event summary.

**GamiSB**

shinpseudo wrote:

The story summary that just went up says:

"Operatives identified contact between Seraph, Morpheus, and Lo Ruhamah. Morpheus was seen with Ruhamah at the Abandoned Subway."

Why doesn't it say "the Morpheus SIM"...? Or is the SIM just called "Morpheus" now?

The Oracle in some event, that im to lazy to look up, said she called the Morpheus SIM "Morpheus" now because it made it a bit easier.

**CPT_Starschwar**

((The sim's *always* been called "Morpheus" - why they didn't update this is beyond me. I know he was supposed to confuse us when the General was pulling the strings... but now its confusion for confusion's sake.))

Dupz

Seems to be like someone is really digging on giving the community just enough to keep them interested but still leave them hanging.... new area screens, no captioned live event threads... maybe the next cinematic will just be audio with a black screen so we can solve the mystery of who's talking.

Croesis · 02/09/2008 07:51:01

((Sometimes suspense can be fun, like in films when you get a cliff hanger and you have to wait months for the next one to come out. Also event posts like these generate a lot of conversation, theories and debates which are also fun because you actually have to think and take into account of everything you can. Oh and the Oracle did say that just calling the Sim 'Morpheus' was easier. Everyone should know by now that it's a sim and that Morpheus died at the hands of the assassin, so just call it by the name it was given, no confusion necessary.))

**shinpseudo**

Vinia wrote:

((Oh and the Oracle did say that just calling the Sim 'Morpheus' was easier. Everyone should know by now that it's a sim and that Morpheus died at the hands of the assassin, so just call it by the name it was given, no confusion necessary.))

If the Oracle considers that "no confusion necessary", then she should probably relinquish her title as an Intuitive Program

Croesis

shinpseudo wrote:

Vinia wrote:
((Oh and the Oracle did say that just calling the Sim 'Morpheus' was easier. Everyone should know by now that it's a sim and that Morpheus died at the hands of the assassin, so just call it by the name it was given, no confusion necessary.))

If the Oracle considers that "no confusion necessary", then she should probably relinquish her title as an Intuitive Program

Well that was my interpretation, I'm sure she'd have a much more... long winded and confusing way of saying thats it'd avoid confusion....

**GamiSB**

Vinia wrote:

shinpseudo wrote:
Vinia wrote:
((Oh and the Oracle did say that just calling the Sim 'Morpheus' was easier. Everyone should know by now that it's a sim and that Morpheus died at the hands of the assassin, so just call it by the name it was given, no confusion necessary.))

If the Oracle considers that "no confusion necessary", then she should probably relinquish her title as an Intuitive Program
Well that was my interpretation, I'm sure she'd have a much more... long winded and confusing way of saying thats it'd avoid confusion....

Not really. She also thinks he's dead.

**GoDGiVeR**

Since Morpheus is dead (let's just assume that for a second people, ok?), the simulacrum assumed his identity (we all know the original reason). Eventually his programming overtook him and now he's more like the biggest fanboy of Morpheus, since what Morpheus did/said has more influence over him than over normal people. Although he is confronted with looking, speaking and thinking like Morpheus, the Simulacrum is an individual of his own. That he still does what "Morpheus would do" is because the knowledge of Morpheus convinced him.

Although taking Morpheus's name is problematic in some cases, it is, however, most suitable. Although Morpheus assumed the title Morpheus more or less purposefully, namely the title of the "god of sleep", like many of the redpills names tend to give themselves mythological names, the Simulacrum can assume the name Morpheus in the fashion of "you are what you eat" or "the phrase that defines you most".

If Morpheus would be to come back and confront him, it is doubtful that the name conflict would last long. They'd settle this in a very ... interesting, to say least, conversation. But since that isn't going to happen anytime soon, calling the Simulacrum Morpheus is no problem whatsoever.

**sonofthree** · 02/09/2008 09:17:55

Exiled programs are marked as such in their forum titles or by their function (see the general's post)

Croesis · 02/09/2008 09:22:29

Morpheus isn't an exiled program though as he's still in the place where he's supposed to be and... I suspect, still has a purpose...